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      Creator Brandon Boswell about 6 hours ago

      please post an update, the meetup is great for people in the area, but if there are still UL delays, it would be nice to hear that. Really hoping I get this thing before June

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      Creator Andrei Stieber 4 days ago

      UL delaying for the sake of delaying. Can't wait for my first ZPM shot!

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      Creator Ryan on April 14

      Still waiting on code (very concerning it hasn't been released, since apparently it should be done!), and on discussion of what the problems with UL are.

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      Creator Jan Rod on April 8

      I agree with the rest of patient backers. I am okay with waiting, but post photos, tweet or whatever.

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      Creator Christine Bastian on April 3

      I second Rdg.
      Must be very stressful for you guys. I still firmly believe in the product no matter what the nay-sayers say. ;-) You rock guys, always have and always will.
      Much love.

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      Creator dave wilder on April 1

      How about some new photos and/or videos? Thanks very much for the updates. I'm fine with waiting because I'm impressed that the "next generation" has the optimism and skills to invent and I know the product will be great. My only disappointment is that, as a new Southerner, you couldn't find the skilled craftsmen to stay down here, y'all.

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      Creator Rdg on April 1

      U. L. Bastards.

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      Creator Andrew Gottlieb, PhD on April 1

      As someone who long ago wrote off ever getting a machine, I'm now in the place of total acceptance. When the machine shows up on my door, it will be like a great old friend got me a total surprise of a gift!

      I think the lesson of the lengthy time from funding to shipping is that it's really really hard to make a product that incorporates mechanical hardware and novel software to control that hardware. Gleb and Igor probably bit off a bit more than they can chew, but I for one appreciate them even trying. As much as I am disappointed at the years I've lived without my Nocturne, I'm sure that it is even more disappointing to them. So I raise a glass and toast them, and hope that they realize that many of us are behind them 100%.

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      Creator Eric Fahs on March 29

      Not to appear to be overly negative, but I'm wondering when we're going to get the update that they don't have enough funds left to produce all the machines that have been ordered. With a team of folks, and being 2 years behind schedule, $370k doesn't really go all that far.

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      Creator Damian Scisci on March 28

      We are long overdue an update and I see both sides of this. As a beta tester, I would love to inform other backers, however I have not received a termination of the NDA that I signed, so I'm unable to do so.

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      Creator Michael K on March 27

      And I see that the team left a comment on the last update three days ago:

      https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/zpmespresso/pid-controlled-espresso-machine/posts/758430

      Seems there are continued UL certification problems, and we can expect a further update "to come," but no promise on when. Also was surprised to learn that the refurbed beta units have not gone out for further testing. The explanation - that if UL requires further revisions, testing the refurbed models now won't be a test of the final models - is there, but this also means that if UL does not require further changes, waiting to send the refurbed betas back out means a further delay until final units ship.

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      Creator Michael K on March 27

      @Garland last update was 2/24:

      https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/zpmespresso/pid-controlled-espresso-machine/posts/758430

      not 2/6 (which is when there last was a comment here from the team). But regardless, it seems about time for a further update.

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      Creator Garland Tackett on March 27

      Got on this morning to see if there is an update. The natives seem restless. Will have to agree that an update would be helpful. Looks like the last one was on February 6th.

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      Creator Rdg on March 24

      Sorry Dave. Might seem like cheerleading but my main point was that we should get more frequent updates now that we are at the end. The negative vibes will not be productive in any way other than short term relief for whoever is pissed. Another project I supported was a fine sample of how creators can run the thing right into the ditch and lose all support and credibility. These guys are slipping the last few months on keeping us involved. Not sure getting angry with them will help. UL bureaucracy is probably holding things up and the creators are projecting their business too far into the future and neglecting us in the present. Pointing things out as you did and firmly asking for more info more frequently is a good way to get something across to the gang here. Hopefully they will realize that 1500 backers can make a lot of noise if neglected too long. So creators, please make a statement, like soonish. Thanks. Hey yew let's brew!! ;-)

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      Creator Dave S on March 24

      Though Todd's comments were perhaps unnecessarily mean-spirited, they're more understandable than the uncritical cheer-leading that I'm also seeing. We're 4 months into the beta with none of the promised correspondence from beta testers. We're 4 weeks passed when the UL number designation was supposed to be issued. If there's good reason for those delays, the backers should know. If there's stupid UL bureaucratic reasons for those delays, the backers should know.

      The backers should be updated on these issues more than once a month, no ifs, ands, or buts.

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      Creator Adrian on March 23

      I'm with Galina.
      I understand that some of you might be frustrated to have to continue waiting, but Kickstarter is about backing the underdog. It's not an internet shopping site.

      I hope you all do remember the names of the team. But not for the reasons Todd suggests. You should remember them as a bunch of kids who dared to go out, put themselves on the line and give it a crack.

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      Creator Rdg on March 21

      While your gripes might be legitimate I second Galina. It's been a long time Xmas is done again and no Nocturn under the tree. She's right these people have been upfront and juggled many challenges while still keeping us in the loop. More frequent short updates in the last mile might help but in the end you will, I'm sure appreciate their effort multiple times every day. So relax puppeh. Rome took slightly more than one day to build. And those guys had unlimited slave labour and no deadline. Only dead slaves. Have a cup of tea while we wait. Earl Grey. Hot.

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      Creator Galina Yildirim on March 21

      Wow, Todd, it's backers like you that must make all the long hours the team is putting in for us worthwhile.

      Todd, I'm sure you're definitely correct that buying one pre-made arduino board and installing it on one pre-made espresso machine is equivalent to, or at most only 5-10% easier than, starting a company and building everything single thing from the ground up (after all, you had to write the code for it yourself!).

      As one of the $1k-level backers, I can't help but to fully agree with you here. There's no way that anyone involved with this project has gained any useful skills. Everyone please remember their names! Don't let their passion, dedication, or experience overcoming technical challenges fool you -- they're 'indecent' and completely inept. What terrible people they must be, trying to innovate and change things by making something new. Can you even imagine what kind of immoral monster makes a commitment to people and then does their best to follow through, despite facing hurdles along the way?

      In seriousness, though, like a lot of people have said, this has been one of the most communicative and transparent kickstarter projects I've ever seen, and it's been immensely entertaining watching the team make progress over the course of the project. I've seen the machine during one of their demos in Atlanta, and am very excited to get mine once it comes out.

      I'm sure that you're very good at your job, Todd, but I want you to know that I think you're inconsiderate and not very nice.

      ZPM team! Don't let the trolls get to you! I'm a small-business owner myself and I want to say keep up the spirits and keep up the good work!

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      Creator Todd on March 21

      I don't think that it's a scam. $370,000 isn't really worth it. As a software developer (and someone that's made a PID controller for my Gaggia -- using an Arduino), I understand missing deadlines. However, It's over 2 1/4 years late. This is indecent. My opinion of these people is exceptionally low. I would never hire anyone associated with this project -- and neither should you. Please remember those names.

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      Creator Christopher Perr on March 21

      Get the UL cert yet? What is the latest timeline?

      Have any more updates?

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      Creator Adrian on March 19

      Hey,
      I hate to hassle, but I wonder what the anticipated timeframe for the commencement of the 240v conversion is.
      You know, after UL cert is complete and feedback from beta testers is assessed and incorporated into the final design and .....
      :-)

      Keep up the good work.
      I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I'm enjoying the updates and watching you all take a very educational and hopefully very rewarding journey. I'm glad to be able to support you.

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      Creator Ted Bradley on March 18

      It'd be really good to get a short update again please :)

      I'm sure the delays are outside of your control, but it'd still be good to know the nature of them.

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      Creator Ryan on March 7

      Any update on the open source releases? Code, spec files for dimensions and parts? If we're waiting on firmware updates, it would be great to follow along.

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      Creator Will P on March 6

      No worries man. I try to check their twitter and the kickstarter every day or every few days. I was checking out the forums relatively regularly too, but there haven't been to many posts recently.

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      Creator Rdg on March 6

      Thanks Will. I am social media deprived.

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      Creator Will P on March 6

      I get the feeling that for all the annoyances we feel regarding UL, the team is likely going through worse. The good news is that once they are certified, you can safely assume it isn't going to burn your house down. The certification is also important so that ZPM can eventually sell these to the general public.

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      Creator Will P on March 6

      @Rdg
      They posted on twitter that UL didn't finish certification by Friday like they had said they would. I'm sure they are working on things, but that seems to be the hold up at the moment.

      They also said "There's nothing to update right this moment except that we're still waiting. As soon as we have news, you'll have news!"

      Once UL finally finishes it hopefully won't be too long before they can ship.

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      Creator Rdg on March 5

      Hey people. Anything going on forward. ETA? Should we go buy some fresh beans in anticipation or just wait for this dreadfully cold and bitter winter to fade away into a long hot summer. Iced tea sounds nice! Kidding aside. Any news to inform us would be a small comfort while we wait. Thanks. ;-)

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      Creator Austin Fonacier on February 24

      paul gray: I generally agree with your comment. I feel like it's lack of communication on their part. I think what most kickstarter projects lack is the two extremely basic concepts:

      #1 Over deliver, under promise. Almost every single kickstarter project is aggresive about the proposed deadlines and just BLOW through the deadlines.

      #2 I feel like a lot of Kickstarter projects lack enough communication to keep their backers happy. Whether it be a tweet a day or a kickstarter update once every other week or even a google hangout once a month to let the community ask any questions that they may have would keep the community happy. I know most companies usually won't be this most receptive to their community but I feel like kickstarter projects are a special breed that demands transparency to their fans.

      I agree that we I don't think we aren't getting scammed, I just wish the team over at ZPMEspresso were more communicative to their backers. At this point my friends have laughed and laughed at me about my kickstarter project that is over 2+ years with no delivery date in sight.

      le sigh < /rant>

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      Creator paul gray on February 22

      Will p I understand all you are saying and don't think they Are trying to scam us, and yes I think it will be an excellent product , and I think I was wrong about the steam arm. Still my point is they say they will do a beta test for a week, two months later they are still wrapping that up. It is frustrating to see them misjudge how long every part of this project will take by massive amounts. I understand they are new and many factors are out of their control, but two years late is two years late and they still can't even tell us when we will have our units

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      Creator Will P on February 19

      As for the beta period stretching. I can't imagine that selecting 50 people with various backgrounds in terms of skill level then individually talking to each of them as they live with the machine, diagnosing any problem that might pop up and organizing all their feedback is a quick process.

      Also of note, they split the beta into two groups of 25 so that issues reported by the first group could be fixed before sending out machines to the second group.

      Once they get all that data in they have to diagnose the various stages of the manufacturing process to make sure that the machines that end up going out to us don't need to be returned. Mass assembly with anything is a giant headache let alone a complicated kitchen appliance dealing with electricity, water, pressure and programing.

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      Creator Will P on February 19

      @Paul - I didn't see any mention of them redesigning the steam arm in the last couple of updates. I know that they had some issues with a few of them being shipped with assembly issues, but that is the entire point of the beta.

      As an example of some of the things they had to deal with, one of the backers that volunteered to beta test made a post on reddit that they didn't actually have time to test the machine and instead posted pictures of him taking it apart.

      I mean I get it, we all want out machines, but this is their first time manufacturing something like this, they went from planning on sand casting a handful of machines to having 1500 or so orders in the matter of a month. Oddly enough over funding is actually usually a problem for kickstarters. Everything they thought or planned on had to be scaled up and redone. This has become bigger than simply getting a handful of machines out the door. The ZPM team is trying to actually start a business, to be there to support us should anything happen in the future, to make a product that will disrupt the industry.

      So yes, when they are quiet for a few weeks, I wonder what is going on. But they aren't scamming us, they are just running into problems like every other kickstarter. It is just that problems are magnified because of all the complex parts in a machine like this. Even flashlights get delayed on kickstarter, think how much simpler it is to design one of those.

      I don't know about you, but I went into this expecting it would be about a year and a half before we actually got machines. I also payed about a 1/4 to a 1/5 of what a Pid'ed Silvia would cost. I don't mean to be brash, but there is that old saying about fast, cheap or quality.

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      Creator paul gray on February 19

      Because they can't stick to what they say they will do, one week turning into two or three is completely fine, turning into two months is not how it should be. Still designing steam arms two years into the project tells me they have not thought through this properly .

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      Creator Jeffrey on February 18

      @paul - They are clearly working hard to ship us a product that works without issues. We've waited so long now, what's a few more weeks/months?

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      Creator paul gray on February 18

      Seems like a lot more time has passed and nothing is happening as is tradition with this project, the one week beta test has dragged out to nearly two months now, time to get your act together guys

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      Creator Dave S on February 9

      Thanks guys

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      Creator Gleb Polyakov and Igor Zamlinsky on February 6

      Hi Guys,
      @Dave S (1) We're waiting for the number assignment, which is the final stage. (1a) Yes, it is still contingent on certification, but we're hoping that the number designation will arrive concurrent with the conclusion of revisions based on the beta feedback. (2) We're still closing up discussions with a few of the beta testers who are doing some troubleshooting at home (though most units have already been sent back), and once that's done they'll be free to post.
      @Michael Elwin We are close! Rounding out beta and finishing/confirming the hardware/software revisions.

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      Creator Dave S on February 6

      @Michael Elwin: Communication has nearly ground to a halt. I asked a couple very simple questions below, under the latest update, and on Twitter and have been ignored.

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      Creator Michael Elwin on February 4

      Hey, saw a pic of a finished machine on your Twitter feed. Are we close to being done?

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      Creator Michael K on January 27

      @Dave S: On the ZPM forum (forum.zpmespresso.com), Janet today reported this: "Still waiting for a number assignment - that's where we are with UL."

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      Creator Dave S on January 27

      @Gleb and Igor

      I didn't get a response from you guys from my comment under the latest update, so in case you only check these main comments:

      (1) What's the latest on UL certification?
      (1a) Is full production still contingent on UL certification? Or is final UL certification no longer a "must have" for the Kickstarter units?
      (2) Now that beta is closed, do we get to hear from the beta testers (as promised)?

      Thanks.

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      Creator Gleb Polyakov and Igor Zamlinsky on January 23

      @mike smith There won't be any news until final 120V units start shipping, as the 240V units are entirely dependent on 120V units working properly, since they use most of the same parts and will need to conform to most of the same standards. Expect news once final 120V units are shipping.

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      Creator mike smith on January 23

      Got any info about the 240V machines? Just doesn't seem to be a recent mention on them.

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      Creator Dave S on January 23

      Speaking of getting more information, the explanation that the latest update was delayed "for bureaucratic reasons" isn't terribly informative or confidence-inspiring. A small start-up company doesn't (or shouldn't) really have a bureaucracy to blame for delays...

      In the absence of detailed communication from ZPM, we're stuck filling in the blanks ourselves. The most likely story that fills those blanks, as I see it, is that beta testing and/or UL has turned up some fair-sized issues that the team isn't yet close to resolving. So rather than give the backers bad news, ZPM is shutting down comms until they have better news. I hope I'm wrong, but this seems like the only thing that would explain this extensive secret beta and lack of updates.

      I don't want to seem like I'm coming down unfairly hard on Gleb, Igor, et al. I'm an engineer myself, so I had an inkling that they had no chance of hitting their initial schedule. I just wish that their good communication earlier on in this process would've continued as we get closer to the end.

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      Creator Rdg on January 22

      Go. Do. Be. Sincerely wish you the best. Thanks for the follow up.

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      Creator Gleb Polyakov and Igor Zamlinsky on January 22

      @Rdg Sorry - the previous comment might have come off more defensively than intended. We just wanted to make sure your concerns/comments are fully addressed and that everyone feels like they can get more information if they want it. Thanks again for your feedback - sincerely!

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      Creator Rdg on January 22

      WADR the issue of price was not a complaint but a comment. However the shift in this project's direction will only affect your company. Like I said It is your thing. And why would any one of us want to phone Gleb? Seems like a sensitive reaction to a simple observation and opinion. Being a backer I want you all to succeed now and in the future. So good luck and thank you for the bargain.

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      Creator Gleb Polyakov and Igor Zamlinsky on January 22

      @Rdg & Daniel D We've already responded to the pricing complaint a few times, so rather than repost a long-winded response, shoot us a PM and we'll send you Gleb's cell if you want to discuss it. We know it's not ideal and that it represents a shift from our initial mission statement. Everything about this project has shifted from our initial intentions - that's a simple fact. But we're moving forward, delivering, and are still hopeful that you guys will be happy with the results, however belated. Thanks for the feedback - we do appreciate it and, whenever possible, do our best to accommodate it!

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      Creator Rdg on January 21

      Hey guys and ladies. Whatever hair I have left has gone gray. Would love to have a real cappuccino soon. How are you progressing with final UL approval? And all those pesky last minute inefficiencies and QC issues? Daniel has a valid point about you guys having moved your agenda and initial mission statement. You guys can do whatever you want it's your thing. But you will lose some credibility when you're asking $800 for a Nocturn that has no market history and by my thinking is not priced as an everyman's toy. We just passed two years that this project got funding and one gets the impression that you guys are over shooting your ambition by trying to run before you are able to walk. Would be nice to feel that you all are staying true to your roots. But the facts speak otherwise. While I wish you much success in your future plans I wish more that you've ironed out all the wrinkles and are ready to Ship. No pun intended for Titanic fans.

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      Creator Daniel D on January 20

      I have to agree with Ryan, here. I did not desire to plan on paying for ZPM to take classes in international business. I paid for:
      'We're making a commercial-quality espresso machine at a consumer-friendly price'
      'Our machine will retail for around $400'

      Sure, the kickstarter price at $200-300 looked good, but we are now around a year and a half from the promised ship date and I see, as Ryan mentioned, the price on the site is $800. This project has gone from a Kickstarter to a 'Fund us for incorporating a company while we keep your money, without paying you interest, for around 1.5 years'

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