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      Creator Jared Bond on March 25

      Did no one get Seth a card??

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      Creator Andres Perez on March 11

      awww! it was our anniversary and I missed it! dang it!

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      Creator Thomas Vilfroy on March 3

      Hate to say this but this Wednesday is the one year anniversary of thus project as well as Ash Wednesday. I suspect that some of us wish we could put someone in the ash!!

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      Creator Kristen on February 24

      For people who have been turned down by their bank: Try going to a physical location and talking to someone in person. Chase turned my down via email, but when I went to a branch location in person they were very helpful and got my $ returned.

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      Creator NOWish games on February 19

      @Jared Bond - If you're really interested in taking over this game, then email me at: nowishgames@gmail.com I can provide you with some information.

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      Creator Andres Perez on February 19

      @Jared
      As someone who has never published a game and has no desire to do so, I would suspect the following:
      1. Talk to designer about license. Might need to talk to last publisher too (Rio Grande?)
      2. Determine components (a bunch of cards and the 3 pieces)
      3. Talk to a printer about the components and the varying qualities that they provide.
      4. Determine how many copies of the game (with rulebook, box and inserts) you want to print at a particular quality
      5. Determine shipping costs to the US and Europe
      6. Figure out what, out of the stuff above, I did not mention and/or have gotten wrong. I know I certainly simplified it a lot

      As a bit of an aside, I have a copy of this game now, and I have to say it's a great game. I would suggest that the original shape of the cards is better than a standard card and that the wooden bits are really nice. I love the ravens. But both will increase the price of the game.

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      Creator Jared Bond on February 17

      Back to the game....how does one go about *actually* getting this game made? I still think it sounds great.

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      Creator John M. Portley on February 17

      Updating my previous comment with the responses from Amazon and B of A regarding refunds.

      Amazon replied to the email detailed in my previous comment, even saying that they agree with most of what I wrote (but who knows if anything will be passed up the chain of command). They told me to start a claim with B of A in order for Amazon's processes to start. I called B of A and explained once again what is a Kickstarter project, and then B of A began their chargeback process. Ninety days of limbo, without knowing if I will have financial satisfaction at the end, but still some hope.

      Of course, real satisfaction would be Seth Nemec being prosecuted. I wonder if he is getting his name changed. I cannot imagine attempting to live with the stink that this guy brought upon himself. In the age of the internet, there is no way that he can find a legal and decent job with this attached to his name. What loose screw fell out of his brain pan that permitted him to think that this action would be a good thing?

      Being self-employed means that I consider this a time waste that has become over $60 that good old Seth owes me on top of everything else.

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      Creator Diddycoo on February 8

      The comments here are interesting. The use of a '90 day' period is being applied purely to exclude refund circumstances by creating a rather narrow window that is artificiallly based on a situation of things working properly when in the case of a refund the opposite is almost universally true.

      In my case the Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce advised me their position is that until the date of service has passed the timeline for the period to claim a refund does not start. Delays do not run the clock. So it was no problem.

      I do wish everyone here with funds o/s luck. Seems to be partly the problem of the financial companies issuing the CC cards having a structure that does purely favour their interests with the excuses people have had here about the '90 day period' etc.

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      Creator John M. Portley on January 31

      I did not realize the problems with this project until recently, which is my own fault, of course. My wee bit of defense is that it was in my pile of 66 funded projects, most of which were late, and I just accepted that was the story here as well.

      My CCC for this is Bank of America, and they directed me to Amazon, with B of A having no idea what Kickstarter is. Amazon took the facts from me, but did not tell me what they must have known that they were going to send me the following day by email—denial. I will share my reply to them, as I believe the issues are sane, as well as common sense…

      Good day, Amazon:

      I helped fund a movie through Kickstarter that collected its pledges in July of 2012. Its estimated completion, and therefore its deliverables, were given as September of 2013. Like most of the artistic projects funded through Kickstarter, delays have occurred, and filming will now start in March of 2014. Most of us who pledged are staying with the project, even though our pledge rewards will not be sent until more than a year after its estimated delivery schedule, which itself was more than a year after collecting our money.

      When Amazon signed on to be the sole transaction agent for Kickstarter, someone must have realized that the timeframes of these artistic deliverables were going to be much different from a retail ‘order’. The ‘products’ are not sitting on the shelf, just waiting for shipping and handling. Some have not even seen their designs completed, much less had their manufacturing issues addressed.

      Now I have two requests for refunds for unshipped products. One seems to be the result of a person who simply left town with the money collected. The other seems to the result of bad business decisions and business ignorance, compounded by poor communication with their sponsors. I have been told by you that the “Dispute for this transaction cannot be filed as the time period to file a dispute for the above transaction has lapsed”. Really? What policy? How was I to know of your policy?

      [And would help to know if which dispute you are addressing, or both. I suspect this is a problem that occurs with near-robotic form replies.]

      If Amazon has a policy of not refunding money that they have collected, then, being the sole financial transfer agent for Kickstarter, Amazon should publish that policy at the Kickstarter site, and ensure that all participants read it before Amazon takes the money from the customer. Secondly, that policy must take into account the nature of these transactions, namely, that the money is often being used to fund long term projects, and common sense is that a month or two is not a decent timeframe to place on refunds.

      This is not the first time that the refund issue has been raised, nor will it be the last. Your company has made tens of millions of dollars because of Kickstarter, and IF Kickstarter survives issues like these, then you will make hundreds of millions more. You have the resources to devote to dealing with this issue in a more thoughtful way, and with more common sense. You definitely need to be more transparent to your customers. This arrangement with Kickstarter, especially as it is very profitable to you, should engender you to consider the prosecution of those suspected of committing fraud. It is in your own self interest to instill a sense of consequences to those who would dirty the waters where you are drinking so profitably. A few thousand dollars spent on investigation could bring most of these modern day con-artists to justice. Publication of their crimes and capture will instill the necessary caution in those who would consider doing the same in the future.

      As there are others involved financially, namely, Kickstarter and the credit card companies, then the cost should be spread, but you should start this, and take credit as the “Earth's Most Customer-Centric Company”. Work out the financial details with the others in the months ahead. Nothing looks better than a company that takes the lead on helping its customers.

      Best regards,

      John M. Portley

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      I do not expect a reply from Amazon, but this does go up against their claim to be customer-centric. Onto the clueless Bank of America, which will probably stick to 'policy', even if it is not common sense, nor customer-centric. When I find a truly customer-centric financial organization, my whole family will leave these others behind without a single tear.

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      Creator Robert Duman on January 29

      I'm impressed that anyone was able to get a refund. Both Chase and Bank of America (this and another project) tell me that since it is 90 days after the charge, they can't do anything about it. I even clarified that it isn't a completed product when the card is charged, that even the delivery date slips, and both investigations resulted with the same response--90 days after the charge, can't dispute it. Frustrating!

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      Creator Colin Campbell on January 24

      Sucks. Really wanted this one to not be a scam. Didn't someone mention last year they thought they'd pursue re-kicking this but not as a scam?

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      Creator David Churn on January 13

      Sorry 1/12/2014 not 1/13/2014.

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      Creator David Churn on January 13

      It is interesting that someone from Works, Ltd. keeps logging on to Kickstarter. The latest is at 1/13/2014. Is that you Seth? What about our games?

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      Creator Andres Perez on January 2

      @Efendi
      You, sir, have backed a few projects. I'm guessing you have so many you lost track of one that is 4 months past due? Although, now that I think of it, "4 months past due" is almost on time for kickstarter projects :-D

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      Creator Efendi Kwok on January 2

      Ah.. damn.. I just read into all of this now :(

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      Creator Maria Cartwright on January 2

      Haven't heard anything lately. Any news? Updates?

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      Creator Erik on November 28

      There is no reason wells fargo should have turned it down if you told them the guy has disappeared and never delivered on the product.

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      Creator Eric on November 27

      Interesting I see "Works Ltd" (i.e. Seth Nemec) has returned to Kickstarter, clicking on "See full bio" gives a "Last login Oct 8, 2013" ... I wonder if he stopped by to read all the comments?

      @Richard - all you can do is try your credit card company, if you read back over the comments, you'll find some examples of contact various people have had with their card companies.

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      Creator Richard Morgan on November 19

      OK how do I get my money back?

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      Creator Eric Raabe on November 12

      Contacted Wells Fargo, according to their letter "we found that your account was charged correctly." Well what do I do now?

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      Creator Terry Ash on November 3

      Sorry that I didn't check in sooner. Discover ha completed it's investigation and my payment was fully reversed.

      And you are right. Kickstarter had no interest in helping anyone with this type of thing. They could have very simply stated that you should talk with your CC company. Instead they just say tough beans. Had they referred me to my CC company there were quite a few other kickstarters that I refused to back that I would have had kickstarter been more generous with its communication.

      Luckily I got this resolved before Reaper did it's second kickstarter or I wouldn't have backed it either.

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      Creator Daniel Fish on November 3

      So... has Seth Nemec gotten away with it?

      So much detective work has been done by this community... Has anyone actually contacted any authority other than their credit card company / PayPal?

      I'm not really sure what step to take to see Mr. Nemec brought to justice, but reading this thread underscores that he really should face consequences - that is worth more to me than $25. Letting him avoid a courtroom is only telling him (and any other enterprising young fraudster that finds this thread) that the gamer community is a great source of fast cash.

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      Creator Daniel Fish on November 3

      Thanks Robert for the date ref to @Kristen's advice!

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      Creator Joel Johnson on October 21

      Works Ltd: Please be advised, your promised delivery month of August 2013 is past and I fear you have taken everyone's money and defrauded us. Since you have not respondied to any of your client's communciations and concerns pertaining to receipt of product obligations, I am joining with them in requesting a reversal of my credit card purchases.

      Joel Johnson
      West Jordan, UT

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      Creator Eric M on October 15, 2013

      Called in Chase. Processed it and I'm waiting for my refund.

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      Creator Robert Beatty on September 25, 2013

      I followed @Kristen's advice from her post on AUG 15 and Chase refunded my pledge.

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      Creator Timo Honold on September 23, 2013

      Is it just my imagination, in those cases KS is not very helpful, isn't it?

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      Creator Mike Norris on September 19, 2013

      @Daniel - there was a track of what he was doing on ebay. he was buying a lot of musical equipment for himself...hoping that talent would come with it too.

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      Creator Daniel Fish on September 16, 2013

      Has anyone ever heard what happened to Seth Nemec? I remain extremely curious whether he
      a) is kicking back on a tropical island with a Pina Colada
      b) used it as ransom to buy his daughter's freedom
      c) paid off his gambling debts and then disappeared
      d) died of the pox and left the box of gold buried under the old oak tree
      e) had one huge blowout at the strip club and then jumped off the bridge

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      Creator Timo Honold on September 16, 2013

      I guess I will never get it back, cause I assigned it, I can get it back over my CCC.
      Any other tips for a german backer? KS or Amazon?

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      Creator EJ on September 15, 2013

      Doh! Screwed again by kickstarter! Now I gotta spend an hour of my time to get back $28 while i sound like a nerd on phone?! i kid i kid ... Odin's rath upon you!

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      Creator Jared Bond on September 14, 2013

      @Terry - I thought that at first too. But it seems they give you a temporary credit (which is them giving you $ while they investigate). Then they change it to a temporary reversal (which is reversing the original charge from the merchant). Then it goes to a full reversal (meaning the charge is cancelled). If at any point Seth responds, this process might change. But he won't....

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      Creator Mike Norris on September 14, 2013

      I am working with my bank right now and they said they can put the refund through. Yay!

      Thank you Seth Nemec for showing me that even when someone screws you out of $, there are still good businesses that back their customers!

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      Creator Terry Ash on September 12, 2013

      You mean they are reversing the credit?

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      Creator Jared Bond on September 12, 2013

      @Terry - I went through discover, and they just upgraded the 'Temporary Credit' to a "Temporary Reversal", and they are waiting 45 days for a response to make it final.

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      Creator Terry Ash on September 12, 2013

      I am telling this story because I hope it helps someone else.

      So I called Discover because that is how I paid. What I did was first explain what kickstarter was. I used the Veronica Mars story as an example because most people know what that show is and some may have even heard the story since it hit the news. The rep I spoke to had heard of neither Kickstarter or the Veronica Mars Kickstarter, but she had heard of Veronica Mars.

      Then I said that I pitched in $28 for this kickstarter. The fundraiser ended in March but I couldn't actually dispute it until now, because I was promised the game in August. I couldn't dispute it until I was sure that I wasn't going to receive the item. I was told this when I originally tried to dispute it before.

      They said no problem. They gave me a 'Temporary Credit" and are filing a dispute with Kickstarter. Seth will need to reply to them within 30 days. If they get no reply, the credit is permenant. I will happily take the game instead of the credit. But I call this resolved.

      I really hope this helps people get some resolution to this issue.

      ALSO I have sent this message to kickstarter but I wanted others to read it too. If you were more helpful to us backers aka your customers, you wouldn't be losing this one. All you needed to do was direct me to my credit card company to dispute this. But, you want to be so completely hands off. You guys really need to work on your customer retention skills.

      I do customer service for a living for the World's Largest Telecom. If someone calls me and asks me for a little assistance on how to deal with one of our vendors, I advise them that we cannot get involved with disputes with a third party, but I refer them to where they need to go which is either the vendor or the FCC. I don't keep a tight lip which is akin to telling me where to go. When you stay so completely hands off, this makes it look like you don't care.

      So, I will give you a shot to make this right. All I want is an apology from Kickstarter and a promise that you will be more helpful to your customers. Also, you guys need a phone # to reach your customer service department posted on your website where it is easily accessible.

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      Creator Terry Ash on September 12, 2013

      Figured it out. Will complain to the CCC.

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      Creator Terry Ash on September 12, 2013

      Hey. I'm trying to figure out how I paid for this. I know it was through amazon. But via my bank or credit. I can't find the transaction. Help?

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      Creator Timo Honold on September 11, 2013

      I just looked and older projects I supported and than I read comments like this xD
      So it seems I go to my bank, too, hopefully with success...

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      Creator Sherri Marx on September 10, 2013

      Chase just gave me my credit, as they are filing a dispute. I would rather have the game. Sigh!

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      Creator Erik on September 9, 2013

      BofA just gave me a credit while they look into it.

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      Creator Eric M on September 7, 2013

      Did anyone get the game? Ha-hah! I guess I'll have to call for refund.

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      Creator Jeff Martin on September 7, 2013

      Bank of America is refunding me. "Failure to delivery a physical product" was the reason they latched onto. Even though outside their normal time window, the rep I got understood Kickstarter and was very helpful.

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      Creator Patricia M. Rogers on September 2, 2013

      @Ryan : that's great news, I'll see what I can do next time I go to the bank.

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      Creator Ryan Drews on September 1, 2013

      Patricia, just FYI, I used my debit Visa card and got my bank to refund my pledge amount. Just because you used a debit card doesn't mean you aren't protected at all. It's certainly worth a shot.

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      Creator Ahmad Lokman Ishak on August 27, 2013

      Could someone provide a pdf file of the game (fan art is acceptable) or any link to Artscow file of Odin's Ravens? At least I could have the game by ordering fan art copy of it.

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      Creator Ahmad Lokman Ishak on August 27, 2013

      Seth Nemec need a special someone to bring him back. Only parts of him brought back will pleased me to the core. If only I have a picture of him, I could send it to a witchdoctor here in my country to bring Seth thousand years of pain.... Yes, I could do that. But I am not opting to do something uncivilized like that. Excuse my rage, but at the amount of money that could provide me food for fifteen days, I hope Seth will get bloody diarrhea from buying food using my hard earned money.

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      Creator Patricia M. Rogers on August 26, 2013

      This Kickstarter has taught me to be more careful on what I back. I know I'll never see my 37 (included shipping to Canada) as I used my debit visa.

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      Creator Eric M on August 26, 2013

      Try asking to dispute it as a pre-order which is not delivered and all that jazz. I'm still going to wait couple more days before disputing. It's still August and I'm hoping for it lol

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