Share this project


Share this project

41,733 backers pledged $2,785,537 to help bring this project to life.

State-of-the-Game Update

Posted by Harebrained Schemes LLC (Creator)

Happy New Year Everyone!

We’re excited to report that the team hit their end-of-the-year goals and are on track for a great launch this year. While we don’t have a release date to announce yet, we definitely feel good about the state the game is in.

It’s an amazing feeling to have all the pieces in place and to finally play the game we imagined over two years ago! During the week between Christmas and New Years, we took a step back to review our progress and look for areas that need more attention and now we’re back in the thick of it, fixing bugs, balancing the game, PLAYING the game, and taking action to improve the experience day-by-day.

By and large, BATTLETECH is surprisingly close to the vision we originally pitched in the Kickstarter in September 2015. As anyone who’s made a video game can tell you, it’s incredibly rare to finish a game with all the features you envisioned when you start making it. So while we’re surprisingly close, we’re not perfect.

With release in sight in the next few months, we want to tell you about a few features that were part of our Kickstarter Campaign, but need to be delivered post-launch in order to focus development and testing as we move towards release. 

  •  Linux support
  • Legendary 'Mechs and MechWarriors
  • Ability to play different types of missions in Skirmish mode (The campaign itself still has plenty of mission types though.)
  • Some Valhalla-tier reward items (specifics TBD)
  • Famous character cameos in the campaign (a Social Mission Bonus from the Kickstarter Campaign.)
  • Famous AI Lances in Skirmish mode (another Social Mission Bonus from the Kickstarter Campaign.)

Rest assured that we are still committed to delivering these features after the game’s initial launch and at no additional charge to Backers.

One other change - instead of a multiplayer experience focused around competitive tournaments & leagues, we've opted for a more friend-focused model of multiplayer functionality. Players can invite each other to matches via Steam/GoG, create private games, and browse public games from the lobby.

Because of this change in direction, we also won’t be delivering a Solaris-themed multiplayer experience at launch. Instead, the game will ship with a diverse set of multiplayer maps across all the game’s biomes to battle on. We recognize that Solaris VII is a great setting for BattleTech experiences, and in success, we still hope to explore different ways to bring Solaris VII to life.

And finally, a feature that wasn’t a Kickstarter commitment but that we talked about online a bunch is Ironman Mode. Unfortunately, that won’t make it in for launch but we’d love to add it later.

Mech_Con 2017

Before we go, we want to thank everyone who came out to Mech_Con 2017 last month. We had a blast hanging out with everyone and hope you did, too. There’s really nothing more invigorating for us than meeting you face-to-face and sharing our mutual excitement for BATTLETECH.

Mech_Con 2018!!
Mech_Con 2018!!

The highlight of the evening for us was watching Jordan & Mitch go head-to-head in an epic (though tactically challenged) Battle of the Gray Beards™ with McCain doing color commentary. The two combatants fought a Trial of Honor with the loser kneeling before the winner and pledging to be his Bondsman for one horrible week. You can check out the duel between Jordan and Mitch at this link around the 5:56 mark.

Okay, back to the grindstone. We’re starting back up our Livestreaming Dev Q&As on Wednesday, February 14th hosted by our friends at No Guts No Galaxy. See you then!

See you then! -- HBS


Only backers can post comments. Log In
    1. Rob White on

      Am looking forward to playing this, hopefully won't be too much longer on the wait for it :)

    2. RC on

      HBS posted the question thread for the livestream Q&A on February 14th. Post your question there and it might be answered during the first portion of the stream ^_^

    3. Lois M Zaleski on

      thanks for the info...was a busy holiday season and I am eagerly awaiting the release . Thanks guys you all do a great job....:)

    4. kvark on

      Richard Jordan:
      > While delaying Linux support is very disappointing I'm glad you are not abandoning it;

      At this point it's hard to tell, really. We, Linux community, have seen many promises, and fewer actual ports coming out. We've learned the lesson the hard way. There is no ETA given, so it might be out the day after, a year after, or never. In the former case we'll have a bad feeling about poor communication. In the latter cases - we'll simply regret kickstarting it.

      We are fully committed to support our needs with our wallets. What pisses me off, personally, is that quite often those money go towards 1st tier platforms, DLCs, and other largely irrelevant stuff. This leaves us with the only viable option: don't trust any promises and just buy on the day of Linux release.

    5. Missing avatar

      sergk on

      I'd like to second what other Linux backers said here. I supported the project because of promised Linux version.

    6. Harebrained Schemes LLC 4-time creator on

      @Lois M Zaleski - As we announced awhile back, we shut down the beta just after the first of the year so we can concentrate on the final version of the game. Sorry if it was a surprise to you and thanks for your patience as we finish up the game.
      Game launch keys will be distributed into BackerKit accounts closer to the launch of the game.

    7. Lois M Zaleski on

      I cant get into the game since update a couple of days ago. Is there a reason why?

    8. Missing avatar

      Matthew Carter on

      Immensely happy with my purchases regarding this game for both myself and my brother. We anxiously await the full release of the game to compliment our Jackets and memories of previous games; both video and miniature. Thank you everyone at HBS!

    9. Missing avatar

      Mad Squ on

      Famous character cameos in the campaign (a Social Mission Bonus from the Kickstarter Campaign.)

      Does this mean that the campaign will change with this feature added in a later stage? So should I wait playing the game until this is finished, if I don´t want to do a second run after the update? Could you please elaborate a little on how this is planned?

      Happy New year and good luck for 2018!

    10. Missing avatar

      Dan Bank on

      Yes, that is a pretty good summary. Linux is much easier to work with now than even a few years ago, and getting better, but still requires learning how to use it. I waited to switch until I had found all the software I needed to be comfortable. I had set up a laptop with Linux and played around until it was what I wanted, then switched my main system over, but kept dual-boot for any surprises. Switching to a new OS will always take some effort and learning, even when they try to make it similar to the one you are coming from. Personally, I did not like the changes coming with Windows 8 and that was the final push to get everything converted. Work still allows Windows 7, but once support is up I do not look forward to switching to 10.

      The main negative to using Linux is the lack of big name software and games, but more companies are taking the time to do a Linux version, and Wine can handle most non-game software, as well as many games. Game engines are also providing better built in support, which makes it easier. It still takes extra time and effort for a cross-platform version, but for games using an engine like Unity a lot of the work has been done already. Of course someone still needs to actually know Linux development, so there is the extra expense of hiring someone who knows, or training. Porting older games usually takes more effort as they generally used DirectX, which is Windows only, and would require rewriting with OpenGL for Linux. Vulkan has a lot of support, so hopefully most future games will use it instead of DirectX and that will be 1 less hurdle for cross-platform gaming.

    11. Missing avatar

      Richard Jordan on

      While delaying Linux support is very disappointing I'm glad you are not abandoning it; I've been a backer on two other projects where wintel, mac and linux support were all part of the original campaign, but then a year or more later after being completely unresponsive to questions about beta access (promised on all platforms) that was windows only, suddenly they say they're adding PS4 and XBox1 platforms but dropping Mac and Linux, saying they had never even done the analysis and planning for those platforms and it would take too long and be too expensive to start. Commitment? Not much. At least one of them offered refunds.

      Promising platform support to entice additional backers with no intention of actually following through is dishonest. Dishonorable. I'm glad Harebrained is going to keep their commitment, even if delayed.

    12. Missing avatar

      deleted on

      This user's account has been deleted.

    13. Missing avatar

      Dan Bank on

      I also backed for the promise of Linux support and would not have done so without it. Yes, I can reboot in Windows, but it is not as convenient and my support was to encourage more games for Linux. Without Linux support I'd wait for the Steam sale, or possibly skip it altogether. I do understand that Linux is being delayed and not canceled. I appreciate that we are being told before release of the delay, and hope that when the release date is announced that we will get a more firm promise of how much of a delay to expect for the Linux release. I'm not interested in competitive multi-player, but for someone who is I could see a few months of delay being a bit of a handicap as other players had that time to hone their skills.

      The biggest advantages of Linux, to me, are that you can customize it to be how you want it, and there is great community support to help you get it that way or resolve any issues you run into. I currently use Arch Linux due to the number of times I ended up on their pages when looking for help. It is not the one to install for someone new to Linux, but a lot of the info is not limited to just Arch and can be useful regardless of which distribution you have.

      You mentioned that when you tried Linux you expected things to be in certain places or work a certain way and they did not. The most important thing to note when starting with Linux is that there are many distributions and several Desktop Environments (DE) and you should take a look at the options to pick the one that most suits what you want. The DE really defines how you will be interacting with your system. With Windows or OSX you can expect to just get their experience, but Linux offers a lot of choices and they can be confusing if you expect all Linux to look the same. If you are coming from Windows and want a Windows like experience, then you can get one that defaults to that. Ubuntu was good for this for a long time, but then went off with its own look and feel and that made it harder for new people trying Linux who heard Ubuntu was easy for those used to Windows. Linux Mint is pretty good for those used to the Windows 7 look and feel and is one of the ones I used early on. I haven't used it in years, but it seems to still be a good choice to start with, for those interested.

      I started with DOS and then Windows, and dabbled in Linux a bit over the years. I also had to use OSX for a year at work, but absolutely hated it. It took a while to fully switch to Linux, as I needed to find the right apps for my needs, but I am much happier since I did, and have been primarily running Linux for several years now. I do run Windows in a VM (mostly for work), use Wine, and when needed, dual boot to Windows. If you have a decent system then a fair number of games can be played through Steam in Wine. I have my Linux environment setup the way I like it and it is simply easier to use for me. There are also a lot of little things that I find useful and barely think about until I'm in Windows and they aren't there. These will all vary by user. Yes, there can be quirks and not every program is Linux friendly, but Linux also has a large selection of free apps that can do most of the same things, though possibly a bit differently. Linux has had the equivalent of an app store for a long time and it is quite convenient to just search the repository when I need some new program. Yes, there are still times you need to buy commercial software and, of course, games, but basic software is available free and often there are several options to choose from.
      In the end it really depends on how you use your computer and what you need.

    14. RC on

      @Ben HBS has said they personally want to add co-op post-launch, but it wasn't a feature defined as part of the launch. If things go well at launch, we might see it down the road, in success...ect, but we do know it's on their list of things they want to accomplish. ^_^

    15. Remember Citadel on

      An educated guess: Windows 91, macOS 7, Linux 2. Maybe the Steam surveys paint a slightly different picture.

      I find it strange that the smallest groups are oftentimes the loudest. We should all be thankful that HBS intends to go the extra mile to support Linux.

      Sorry, but from a business perspective the announcement makes sense.

    16. Ben Pottinger on

      Will it be possible to play multiplayer VS the AI (co-op?)?

      @linux: Linux is excellent and vastly superior to windows for a whole host of reasons. Ignoring the large long term issues against a MS ecosystem (like the fact that they have total control over stuff like directX instead of a community or committee controlled openGL). The fact that Linux is 100$ cheaper per PC license (ie, free), Linux has a *much* better filesystem, etc etc. There is a reason nearly all phones, embedded systems, tablets, industrial systems, servers, HPC, and cloud providers all use some variant of linux. Basically nearly *everyone* except desktop users us linux.

      There is a reason microsoft holds onto DirectX with an iron grip and fights so hard to make sure OpenGL isn't a good option. Because directX is one of the last hurdles that keeps a large number of games off Linux. If we ever see a large migration to openGL we will see far more ports. Nvidia and AMD are finnally making decent drivers for Linux as well. It's super easy to install Linux and then install steam and be up and playing. The only thing that drove me back to windows was diablo and the handful of other major games I couldn't get running. All my non gaming machines run Linux. Hopefully someday that will change to 100% linux.

    17. Valeriy on

      "…I'm running with the BELIEF and understanding that Linux is more difficult than Windows…"
      Well, you can believe anything you want, but it has nothing to do with reality.

      "…but decades of familiarity making me expect things in certain places, and hating things not working as I expect…"
      A Duckling Syndrome -- typical example. I bet Microsoft gives you those "fuzzy feelings" everytime it wants to redesign Control Panel, remove "Start" button, reinvent the whe^W "Metro UI" or otherwise change anything. :) And you have no say in this process. As the old joke goes in case of Windows: "Sh*t happened, and you WILL work with it!"

    18. Prussian Havoc on

      Looks like the link on my last post, just below, is not working. Here is the full link to the HBS Forum discussion on BATTLETECH PvP.

    19. Prussian Havoc on

      Yes, Update 47 brings to us a new direction for BATTLETECH Multiplayer Gameplay.

      It will now more than ever be up to our community to come together and foster / support the ways and means by which we can competitively and in friendly fashion best enjoy BATTLETECH PvP.

      How best might we move forward?

      Rather than sidetrack this thread, come join our discussion at: :slight_smile:

      As always, good luck and good gaming! :bow:

    20. Damian on

      I understand there is no hard release date, but are you aiming for a release windows like Q1 or Q2?

    21. Colombo on


      I don't really care what you think, if you think that Linux sucks and is difficult, be it. But other people might not have same opinion as you, so if you ask "Why you are using linux when it sux?" you are asking the wrong question. Thats all. If you assume something (which might be true for you) and then want to know answer based on this assumption, you can't complain that people are not responding to your question.

      As for customer support: I have never got worthwhile support for any commercial software I have used. Never had support for commercial software solved any issue I had, unlike with FOSS software. So if I need to fix something myself anyway, I might as well adopt the software where I can fix it myself.

      From your own experiences that you have written there, it seems that Linux is not harder to use, you just got used to Win and Win ecosystem. If you got used to way Win treats stuff, if you got used to Win-only software and from your comfort, you are refusing to learn and get used to new stuff (which I understand), you would have difficulty using Linux. Humans are conservative beings by nature. Don't change something that does work.

    22. Missing avatar

      deleted on

      This user's account has been deleted.

    23. RC on

      @Colombo I set up an account a few years ago, but I'd have to dig up the login info. I don't really frequent reddit other than when searching for certain topical tech information. Utimately, I think the primary points have been made already. I may look you up to chat about other things some time ^_^

    24. Colombo on

      @RC are you on reddit? PM me, I am Unicorn_Colombo, we can continue the discussion there.

    25. RC on

      @Colombo I was going to go with a more comprehensive response, but...I'll just say that it would be very nice if the average mainstream computer user tried Linux and had your similar, smooth experience. I haven't seen it happen with any consistency but, perhaps some day soon we'll see it occur more often. Crossed fingers ^_^

    26. drow on

      Mac OS X is a bugatti. on the expensive side, enough that the sort of people who are convinced that you get what you pay for are happy. you've heard that there's a supercharged V12 engine under the hood, but most people who own one aren't entirely sure where that is. otherwise, well thought-out, beautiful to look at, and sufficient to get from A to B.

      MS Windows is a toyota. nearly everyone seems to own one, and its easy to get fuzzy dice which are compatible with your model. you can't help but notice that everything's been updated except the clutch pedal, which is the same one they've been using since 1990, and aren't sure why an automatic needs one. but every once in a while, the whole car stops until you press the clutch pedal three times and disconnect the battery for a minute. still sufficient to get from A to B.

      Linux is a classic ford mustang. its the car for people who love to tinker with things, and be part of a community of tinkerers. its easy to find parts and upgrades, nearly all of which are completely free. otherwise, whenever you haven't just torn apart the engine to swap in a new carburetor (which probably also means a new fuel line, intake manifold, blueprinting the piston heads, etc...), it purrs like an angry tiger snorting caffeine and is sufficient to get from A to B.

      you're welcome. XD

    27. Colombo on

      @RC While I am aware that dependency hell might exist... I don't remember experiencing it it for packages. I have experienced dependency hell with LaTeX (turned out one package loaded by used template redefined how packages are loaded, so everything broke), R, Python, but not on Ubuntu. Maybe because I am using mainstream software. But I assume that your common user would have similar experience.

    28. RC on

      @Colombo As much as I think Linux is more robust in many ways than Windows (or Mac), and that yes...there's much about Linux that has improved and allows someone to sit down and start using it for basic tasks, much as they would do with Win/Mac, and I do support people using Linux for many of its positive aspects...there are definitive reasons why it's not *quite* there yet as a desktop replacement for most people.

      As I don't keep up on "the issues" as much as I used to (I just use it when I need it, or have to for work) I asked a Linux-dedicated friend why he set his family/kids up with Windows systems and not Linux distros.

      His exact reply was..."AYFKKM?! I'm not spending time coaching evry1 through dependency hell every time they want to install a broken package and fuck this. Here! see you on Tuesday."

      Aside from the article, which may seem like a hit job, but appears intended to point out problems that need to be addressed to improve Linux, not kill it - the comments to the article are highly relevant, and from people who use Linux as their primary desktop or work with it.

      These are the perspectives of other Linux users who deeply desire a better experience for themselves and new users.

    29. RC on

      @sylver Look to your own statements when it comes to sanctimonious attacks. If you don't like having it pointed out that you're making them, don't make them.

      Having it pointed out to you that you're the one doing it, isn't a sanctimonious attack.

      Ultimately Battletech looks like it's going to be great at launch, and get even better from there, despite the setbacks and disappointment this update reflects. Whether you choose to stick around or not, I remember how enthusiastic you were a couple of years ago for the core Battletech game itself and would look forward to a few PvP rounds of giant stompy robot combat, whether on a friendly basis or through some tournament other folks set up. ^_^

    30. Colombo on

      @Khell: If you want to know why would anyone use linux when it is more difficult to use, then you can't get your answer, because nowaday linux is NOT more difficult to use. That might have been true 10 or more years ago, when a lot of stuff was still raw. But already for some years, the basic control schemes of all OS is basically identical and differs in details.

      If you assume something that is not true, than you can't be angry that you are not getting answer that you wanted. You forget that most Linux users have broad experience with Win/Mac, while Windows users don't usually have experience with Linux.

      "at the expense of really having to know what you're doing (lest ye break something"
      This is nonsense. There is no such expense. If you don't know what you are doing, you are not touching critical files. But that is same on any system. Have you ever tried to delete system32 folder in Win? Or play with registers? You can broke your system in any number of ways if you truly want. You shouldn't be confused by color of wires and type of screws that hold the cover.

    31. Missing avatar

      deleted on

      This user's account has been deleted.

    32. Sylver on

      @RC Hey, sanctimonious personal attacks, cool. I was formerly under the impression that this venue was intended for feedback on the updates, both good and bad, but I can see I was mistaken. Thank you for enlightening me. I will accept your generously given advice, however, and will no longer darken the halls of this or any other related fora. Cheers.

    33. RC on

      @Dan, it's not a matter of a simple yes. The issue isn't simple, can be easily misconstrued, and we're having a public conversation. You may be the most upstanding, knowledgeable and understanding fellow around, but we're not at a private table, and others can read things into a simple question and answer that may not be there, and they often do, so I include some of my perspective in the hopes of offsetting greater misunderstandings ^_^

    34. Dan Spezzano on

      @RC A simple yes would of done. Also don't always assume the person you're talking to has less knowledge then you do. I've been around as long as you have and involved in the tabletop and video game industry in one form or another for 30+ years. Hell I have "uncredited" quotes in original Shadow Run source books. I say uncredited because they used it without asking me but that's how things worked back then. I had my first article published by Computer Gaming World when I was 14, getting a $75 check. I'm not trying to gloat, just making a point that you shouldn't talk down to someone when you don't know what they know.

      I also backed and own all the SR games, they are great. They also went on sale pretty quickly.

      I'm not going to personally attach anyone on these forums so I just say I've been around long enough and have enough contacts to know some history on "things" which is why I shouldn't be surprised at the MP cut but I am. Simply because I think this had the potential to be a real competitive game online and they killed it and I think it is short sighted. In my opinion they are still using a 1990's business model in 2018.

    35. BadgerWI on

      Is a Co-op campaign still a possibility down the road, or is that covered under "create private games" Thanks for the update!

    36. Alex Clarke on

      2 days later and im stil laughing at all of the 10 butt hurt linux gamers in here.... Naturally this is my favorite part of any kickstarter, where people suddenly cant read and miss the part about "optional OS platform is delay" not "cancelled".

    37. David Nemeskey on

      @Michael Barnhart that's not how it works. If the Kickstarter was Windows-only, I wouldn't even have considered supporting it.

      On the other hand, previous HBS games all had their Linux versions, so I am not worried about BT; still I consider it a cheap move.

    38. RC on

      *small correction ...they don't even get to use $2.8 million to develop the game. A lot of that goes towards our physical rewards, Kickstarter fees, transaction processing fees, support services, taxes, and more. Anyone who backs enough games with similar reward structures eventually learns this stuff. And if not, there are videos on Youtube of Jordan talking about the business side of it. ^_^

    39. RC on

      @Dan Many HBS backers know that during the Shadowrun Online Kickstarter which became Shadowrun Chronicles (Not from HBS, but Cliffhanger Games) I was asked to mod the Shadowrun forum by Jan, which Cliffhanger Games operated, and HBS and Catalyst had forum sections there.

      Like many of HBS's fans, I've been a fan of Battletech since before FASA released Shadowrun, and then I became a huge Shadowrun fan when it came out. All this was back in the 1980's. Like many long time fans around here, I've met Jordan and Mitch in person a few times at conventions like GenCon.

      Because people use "oh you..blah blah...must be a shill...blah blah..." when asking if someone is a mod, they often completely miss that fans like myself *hate* it when a product in our hobby turns out to be shitty. And we tell the game designers so. I've personally railed at Catalyst and Mitch, hard, for what I saw as their faux pas in the past, but I didn't insult them doing it.

      I explained my frustrations and disappointments, in depth, without calling for their heads, because I know they've been making games I have loved for decades, just as they've made games I wasn't happy about.

      For Battletech, I realize they're trying to start a franchise for this game with limited resources.

      Yes, almost $2.8 Million (plus the million $ they kicked in themselves before the Kickstarter) is VERY limited in video game development in the USA for the quality and features this game has even without the elements they might have to rethink right now or add-in after launch.

      It's a first step, and I support it and them because I have seen with their Shadowrun and other games the effort HBS is willing to put in post-launch for their titles, based on OUR feedback once the full game is in our hands. They're always upstanding about it, even if development didn't go as expected. Look into what happened with Shadowrun Returns. Not everyone remembers, but it wasn't as smooth a ride as the rose tinted glasses of time reveal .

      Then look at how they followed up post-launch, with both Shadowrun Returns (overhauling the save point system into a save anywhere system) and Dragonfall - which was initially funded by the same Shadowrun Returns kickstarter as just a second city DLC. We ended up with a series of really good and beloved games.

      I support HBS because they're great human beings...not just Jordan and Mitch, but Tyler, AJ, Conner, and the whole crew, who so many of us get to know through their games, conventions, social media, and more. And they're dedicated developers who despite setbacks in development, make tremendous efforts because they care, for themselves, the games they develop, and their backers and fans. Again, they meet and game with and hang out and chat with and drink with many of their fans year after year at conventions, and Jordan and Mitch have been doing so for decades. And they - not just the company account, not just the execs, -
      engage personally with backers and fans on social media all the time.

      HBS aren't your average game devs, and if initial development doesn't go as they, or we, hoped...if they're able to do better post-launch, they make every effort to do so, as long as they have the resources to make it happen.

      My opinions here are informed, and my own. Whether I've helped them with modding or not, I'm not compensated in any way for supporting them like this (and they might just find it to be as ridiculous as some other folks do), and I tell them very directly when I think they're going in the wrong direction. Though, if I think it'll end up hurting something I think they're doing right by making a big case out of it publicly, I'll do it via email instead. If I think they're not listening, then I won't be shy about being more public about it.

      However, my experience is that HBS listens. They won't always agree. They can't always do what we want when we when it. But they have always listened and considered what we as backers and fans tell them and made best efforts. It's one of the reasons they have my faith in this manner, even when I'm disappointed about setbacks or changes like those they announced yesterday.

      And speaking of their forum, check the dev tracker. Mitch posted about the live Q&A on the 14th and how they expect to discuss these issues with us:

      It's difficult in these times to have a little trust, in anyone, let alone game developers, or kickstarter creators. And there are those who will point out where projects they worked on didn't succeed. But game projects aren't guarantees of success in results. They're creative efforts of doing the most they can with what they have, and if things work out, then doing even more. At least, that's true of HBS. ^_^

    40. Sean Poynter

      I'm pretty disappointed that Linux won't be in at launch, but also not terribly surprised as this happens often with Kickstart-ed games. There is no need to panic as I doubt, given their track record, HBS will pull a Kingdom Come: Deliverance.

    41. Valeriy on

      @David S:
      "if you don't run a dual boot system with Linux & you want to run a system that isn't supported by majority of people then you suffer consequences"
      Not on my expense! I did not give my money in order for you to lecture me I should suffer and you should enjoy yourselves due to the "right choice" you made with OS.

      "So knowing you're in the minority, it cannot ever be unexpected that most things don't support your OS, and those that try don't prioritize it. Numbers rule the world, majority always wins, so if you buy into the losing side you can't really cry foul when you aren't treated equal."
      I don't care for statistics or numbers that, presumably, rule the world. Yhe whole point of this kickstarter for me was to make happen Linux games because otherwise that won't be happening. But if numbers are so important, then fine. My pledge (which, I must remind, is equal to that of Windows users) is not enough to make Linux version, so right now, I assume, my money is not needed. Surely, the percentage of Linux pledges is small enough that the project will not loose much if the developers give our money back to us. :)
      And, speaking of numbers: due to the country I live in (you know, we have regional pricing) it is trice as cheap to get a game at launch at full price compared to kickstarter pledge (even with all super_early_backer_limited_quantity tiers). So on financial reason to give money here at all. It is "No Tux No Bucks" for me all the way. The only exception was Kickstarter for the aforementioned reason of encouraging Linux versions. Was. :(

      "Can't be cost - you don't get into gaming if you're too broke to buy Windows, when almost every system comes bundled with a version of it."
      A wise buyer knows how to un-bundle Windows from the purchase and not pay for unneeded stuff. :)
      In fact, I did never pay for Windows (chill off, Microsoft legal department, it's been over 10 years now, you can not sue me anymore :) ) but purchased my first Linux distro (and not even that cheap: it had printed manuals, 7 disks and a warranty).

      "Performance I might understand, but in the end, can you really be squeezing enough juice out of hardware to make it worthwhile when new tech comes out better than your best every month? What is the actual appeal - genuine curiosity."
      To feel myself as a king among diseased: to be able to switch my PC off whenever I want while others are waiting for updates to apply, to have the same performance while other's "System Registry" gets encumbered and slow due to constant software installations/updates, to not care about flash drive AutoRun viruses (and even clean others' drives) and anti-virus software updates and activation keys, to have thousands of software packages readily available while others are searching for torrents and file hosting garbage sites for their programs, to be able to customize the desktop as much as I like while others are whining about "Start Button Removal" on the forums (oh my, that was glorious!), installing fixing tools and having fun with System Registry.

      Is that enough? I could go long with that! The problem with Windows vs. Linux disputes is in that the competitors are not "in the same weight category": Linux users know all Windows weaknesses and shortcomings while Windows users did not see Linux and only can perpetuate the same arguments ("less than 1%", "command line is scary", "no games" etc.) they've read on the Internet. :)

    42. David S on

      @Veleriy - to delay windows version over Linux version would be stupid - a lot more people use windows than Linux & compatibility is one reason - more games are available on windows than Linux.

      if you don't run a dual boot system with Linux & you want to run a system that isn't supported by majority of people then you suffer consequences - I wouldn't buy an small brand car as I cant guarantee support for it

      if you are aware of the number of makers of games having difficulty supporting Linux then simply wait for a game to be released before spending - to paraphrase you "proof for tux before I spend bucks"

    43. Colombo on


      1. I was not arguing if linux had 1.5 or 15, I was arguing that Mac, especially in recent years, have as much if not lower.

      3. success of iPad is not evidence that it was easier to use (than competition) and easy of use of iPad is not evidence of easy of use of MacOS (coz different user control scheme).

      "To do something on a Mac, you just do it - they're usually only one way. PC, not so much."
      Mac is PC in the same way that Alienware is PC. You have been deluded by branding.

      Under the roof, MacOS is Unix, I have no idea why you think that on MacOS, there is only one way to do stuff.

      "Now Linux, it doesn't have as much built-in hand-holding, I know that much."
      I am not sure you do. Linux has equal amount of "hand-holding" as windows or MacOS.

      You might be right in smaller user-base. But linux has generally more knowledgeable user-base. So if you need to solve some problem (again, we are speaking about system, not applications), then you would have a better chance to find someone who understand linux than someone who understand windows. I doubt that common Windows user dig into it, but common Linux user did dig a bit into linux. And knowledge-base on internet is dramatically bigger for Linux, thanks to the openness. With distro like Arch, which you need to set yourself from scratch, there is whole wiki that describe internals of linux. You don't have the same thing for windows. Funnily enough, since MacOS is Unix, and Unix and Linux are quite similar in a lot of situations, it benefits greatly from this.

      "general incompatibility to most products or software" -- You don't need 1000 of products that do the same. You need 3 good ones. Most of (commercial) software is crap that you don't need. Incompatibility to most products is fallacy. And there is plenty of good open-source products for most needs.

    44. drow on

      while we're boasting about our choice of OS, i'll point out that Mac OS X has a very solid UNIX underpinning, with a fair lot of Apple and third-party support. its not all shiny black glass and laser-crafted matte aluminum. #mac4ever #NeXTlivez

    45. Dan Spezzano on

      Well I scanned the forums and it seems there are more than a few people disappointed in the multiplayer switches. It is what it is but I've lost major interest in this title now.

    46. Missing avatar

      deleted on

      This user's account has been deleted.

    47. Dan Spezzano on

      @RC so you are a mod on their forums right?

    48. Missing avatar

      deleted on

      This user's account has been deleted.

    49. Colombo on


      1. Your stats are one of many stats, great deal of recent stats puts Linux desktops above Mac. A lot of website that tries to do some stats are not even capable to fully recognize a lot of Linux distros.

      + where it counts, you have more Linux machines than Mac machines capable of running recent games. Currently situation with Linux driver is even better than Mac drivers.

      2. I am not complaining when Windows only game that was advertised as windows-only game won't launch on linux. I am not spamming those forums. I am complaining when I am not being treated as equal when game that was advertised as multiplatform for whole PC platform (Win, OSx and Linux) is being delayed on linux again and again. I paid same money regardless of platform and I expected same approach, regardless of my chosen platform.

      3. "Its less easy to use linux" is utter nonsense. Currently, for everyday use, Linux is not much different from any other platform. For more informed user, it is better.

      Any *nix and Linux especially is just so much better for informed user as you can set it up as you want and you don't have to relay on people that think they are smarter than you making decisions for you. You don't like X? (whatever X is), you can google, find tutorial how to change it and change it. If you learn command line, even basic, it is very strong and opens a lot of possibilities. And if you do computational science, you basically can't do without linux, as sooner or later you will find nix-only software critical for your work (in this area, win-only or mac-only softwares are more rare and usually much worse) and piping and handling these non-gui command-line softwares is just so much easier in nixes.

      And repositories, man... repositories make everything so much easier. Installing and removing stuff on windows is so much hassle compared to that:)

      So why would I buy windows when I have better system that respects me and don't try to scam me? To play some games I don't even care about? I have stuff to play and I am playing mostly Dominions anyway, which is even developed on Ubuntu, or 7KAA, which was open-sourced and ported by fans, which increased stability and improved network code with open-source library SDL (and is great game even after 10 years or so). So if game treats me as first-class citizen, I am willing to pay full price for it. If not, well, I will wait for sale.