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stupid question probably, but does anyone know if there is a legal recourse we can take? can we sue Trammel? do we file a complaint with KS? i know, i know - try to contain your laughter...
@J0KERtm of 2019 :P
"There will be another update on this near the end of October."
I doubt he has had any genuine offers to buy, he likes to paint himself as being something he's not... It wouldn't take long for any savvy company to see through his bull, Mayfair certainly did.... although, I'm sure he blames the backers for this failure (not himself)
I heard he was holding out for a bit too much and was a bit rough to deal with. That fits the behavior I have seen in both campaigns.
I just hope and pray he and they work something out.
He replied to me on Twitter that he's having issues selling because "Kickstarter liability was too risky."
I suspect he could sell his company rather quickly if he was more flexible and realistic of its value.
Fun Fact: All the items from this Kickstarter were intended as a Christmas gift. Now it's just a reminder of an unfulfilled promise.
Not at all. I'm thinking the next update will say something about how he can't deal with the negativity (read: expecting him to actually be held accountable for something for once) and that he's taking a six month hiatus to try to sell his company again and let somebody else deal with the shitshow this has become.
@josh - you expected him to say something worth hearing?
Does anyone live anywhere near San Luis Obispo? If so, have you tried swinging by their office and just asking for your RCH and/or bag? According to the CA Sec of State, they are at:
1214 PEACH STREET UNIT A
SAN LUIS OBISPO CA 93401
Time for the monthly "pesky backer" tweet asking @trammel for an update on my Seafarers board. https://twitter.com/car_tag/status/796793096436641793
Breaking News: Unexpected expenses have caused RCH to not ship until Q1 2017. Next update in late December.
I thought I'd check in and see if Mr Trammel might have left a little excuse here.... Everyone knows thieves like to visit the scene of their crimes.... I did notice he last logged in on 10/27.....
Line, not like.
I wonder how long he expects us to buy the "unexpected expenses" like that he's been using for the better part of a year now.
Facebook just reminded me that four years ago I was asking all my friends to back this project so we could hit $200,000 and unlock resource card holders.
Here's an idea: ship the RCH, then start selling them along with the boards to raise money faster to make seafarers boards.
All these resource cards... nothing to hold them.
I would REALLY like to see an audit of where, when, and how much money from this project (and the other one) has been spent. He gets money and then "unforeseen circumstances" eat it up. Sounds like he's wasting the money on something.
My Credit card got charged but no RCH... guess I have to cancel that charge.
There is a difference between being patient, and having enough of the lies.... Anyone who thinks he's actually going to honor anything is just enabling his entitled behavior - and that's what keeps him from responding, he doesn't feel the need to be held accountable.
@Steve - Update #92, October 26, 2015. He's been claiming for the past year that RCH will be shipping any day now. Words mean nothing. Actions do. Until there are any concrete actions taken, I will believe him just as much as I did a year ago. Holding a man accountable for what he says, and calling him out when he is lying is not whining. We knew what we were getting ourselves into, but he had to as well; especially after telling us lies time and again for a year to pacify us.
When will original backers get their addon RCH's? I pledged for a pari of those over 3.5 years ago.
I too have been waiting from the beginning. I did receive the 3-4 player blue plastic board but am waiting for the 5-6 player and the RCHs. Every single one of us knew the risks of backing a Kickstarter. If you weren't willing to be patient and accept what that risk meant then you shouldn't have been a backer. It's that simple. Whining about it and making baseless threats accomplishes nothing. If you can't at least act like adults here, then do the rest of us a favor and shut up. Your toxicity and negativity is exactly why Bill Trammel no longer reads these comments.
I backed this for 2 boards + RCHs. One for me, and one for a friend. The friend has moved since I backed this. TWICE. Still no RCH.
Okay, so September 25th has come and went, maybe by October 25th we'll get an update.
No, @Josh - it'll be more like:
I really planned on sending the RCH's out this month, but you guys haven't bought enough of my overstocked items, that I over-extended myself beyond actual demand for, and so I can't afford to ship them (loose paraphrase, of course)
Or (most likely) the next update will be a no-details update on the sale of the company, because he won't be allowed to disclose the actual details, for legal reasons, but he knows we'll understand.
Well, only 4 more days until his two month update telling us the RCHs will be sent out starting October 1. He really means it this time guys, he's super serial.
@Josh Nothing you said is wrong. So say that instead of hyperbolic statements like, "It's unlikely he'll ever do a single damn thing he says." Comments like that serve no purpose and only add to the toxicity runs rampant here.
Don't forget, the RCHs have been FINISHED since LAST February. As in 19 months ago! And he supposedly began shipping them LAST July. I've yet to hear of a single person receiving a RCH holder 14 months later! It's simply unbelievable!
@Christopher - We've not been getting updates on this KS though, we've gotten plenty on the other one. I don't care about the bags or dice towers. He's been saying since May that the RCH will be shipped out soon (just wait ten days longer!) but he never follows through with it. Funding shortfalls don't just happen overnight, he had to be aware of the budget when writing the update and thus didn't intend to ship them at that time. Most recently he told us that they would start shipping on August 1st. This obviously hasn't happened, yet we've heard nothing from him.
Yes, this campaign is taking a long time. Yes, this campaign has seen more downs than ups. And yet, we still receive an update every one to two months, usually with pictures ands video. It is clear things are moving forward, albeit, not as fast as many people (myself included) would like. While that can be both discouraging and disappointing, it is clear that progress is being made, and to say otherwise is foolhardy.
My current theory is that he posted those updates to placate the masses and make things look like they are moving along while he negotiated to sell his 'smoothly operating' company.
@david - because instead of honoring his word (which he hasn't done since the original boards went out) he apparently was out trying to sell his company - he doesn't give a single care to any of his backers, his ongoing negligence and lies have demonstrated this time and time, again.
Six weeks later...nothing!
From July 25...
When will you ship Resource Card Holders (RCHs)?
Our previous update stated that backers of the 2012 Kickstarter who already received a standard board, walnut board or aluminum board and who are also owed one or more RCHs and no other rewards would receive a final shipment in June 2016. Unfortunately, unplanned financial constraints made it impossible to fulfill this commitment. We now plan to ship RCHs to affected backers starting August 1, 2016.
@josh - I fell ya.... Personally, I gave up giving any benefit of doubt over a year ago.....
@Michael - It's unlikely he'll ever do a single damn thing he says, but I was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt. Six days (time between last update and August 1) is apparently more than enough time to decide he won't be sending out RCH to anybody, if he ever intended to in the first place.
@josh - it is unlikely that they are being mailed out - not with the sale of the "company"
And depending on who buys it, they may not even fulfill them.... They'd be under no obligation.
A month out, has anybody got the RCH yet?
Has anyone heard who the scam artist is selling the "company" to?
Screenshotting for @Jeff: http://imgur.com/a/AdgKc
Bill, care to weigh in on the future of the KS rewards and what this means for us backers?
Not that Bill does in the first place, but it would be nice to have SOMEBODY that gives a shit...
And will the purchasers of the company give two shits about fulfilling KS rewards.
Now the question in my mind is : Who is he selling the company to ?
Nope, and we may never!
8/16 on Twitter
"In the process of selling previous company, and I want to take a break from startup life. 9 to 5 sounds A-OK right now"
Just curious, has anybody received their RCH since they were supposed to start shipping on 8/1?
It's this and one other that I have waited just as long for that are like 2 of my three Kickstarter experiences. These two experiences are why I don't support Kickstarter projects any longer.