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how many more years do we have to wait for a FUCKING MEASURING SPOON. YEARS IN ADDITION TO THE ONES ALREADY EXPERIENCED. WHERE'S THE FUCKING TIMELINE!!!!!!!!
I would have appreciated more integrity from these individuals...but excuses and asking people to pledge more towards a product that is overdue and is non existent to date...well I would rather get a refund at this point.
This is a $1,000,000 scam. There is only one other KS that I’ve backed that took this long and communicated in a similar, vague manner. The creator of that project eventually disappeared and never delivered a thing.
There is no manufacturing process to show. They don't even have pre-production tooling.
Actually, I've been a part of several campaigns where we don't get pictures (or very few) from manufacturers because projects are regularly getting ripped off by competitors. Some even before the Kickstarter campaigns are finished. In this case there is at least 1 copy/other product in the Kickstarter/Indigogo space, and any manufacturing processes that make these possible would be a very gaurded process.
To everyone citing the fact that there was a recent update and a few updates, months apart, before that:
Please read everyone word of the updates. There is zero actual information in them; they are complete fluff. There are no recent videos or pictures. They claim that's some restriction of the manufacturer, but anyone that has backed a project in KS before knows that is untrue; every project I have backed (beyond an expansion for a card game), has manufacturing pictures in updates.
this board is so entertaining. *eats popcorns* Oh! just to mention @elizabeth ngo I may be on the same boat, but I do not want to leave the boat and file a lawsuit, I don't believe they are a scam, just saying. So you can minus 1 person from that 30,000+ backers.
Elizabeth Ngo, I haven’t looked at this project orvthe comments in a long long time. Looks as if a lot has been going on behind the scenes. Is there a way for us to get a summary of what you and others have been discussing? Can we firm a class action suit to get refunds?
This creator and this project are a joke. Over $1,000,000 for nothing. Criminal
Jason, that's great and all except they haven't even gotten past pre-production tooling after 2 years. The majority of their updates are bogus so that 24 count is bogus as well. Did any of you even pay attention to the video's they posted? That is NOT what we pledged for. Take a closer look.
@Elizabeth Ngo - Also I apologize for the personal comments, I have no excuse. I should have stuck to Informational debate.
@Elizabeth Ngo - Going from conceptual design to mass production is a process that no-one can predict. Even seasoned manufacturers run into supply chain and tooling delays. Look at Apple for the last iPhoneX launch. They had to get 2 back up supply lines (making 3 in total), and at launch they still were short on supply. They have billions to throw at a manufacturer, imagine a small company. All production runs (even prototypes) need to be scheduled weeks in advance and if there are any problems (which they have told us about) the process starts over. I've participated in more than 60 Kickstarter/Indigogo projects. Many vary in experience and complexity of product, but they all run into the same delays and problems. That's because until that proof of concept becomes a usable testable product, they are at the mercy of the suppliers and manufacturers. Little guys get pushed to the back of the line in this endeavor. They have also provided 26 updates, one just a couple weeks ago. It's not like some that disappear and don't update. Not fully understanding what lies ahead is not the same as deceiving users up front. That's why people who are so outraged about a $10-$30 pledge should think twice about crowdfunding and possibly go read the terms of service before participating in a campaign.
Justin, I hadn't realized he'd actually created a defamatory email address (which shows how little I was paying attention to his wall of text posts). I was thinking it was his personal address and couldn't figure out what in the world was going on. That does make more sense. And it also explains why they gave him a refund. To shut him up and make his stop causing trouble.
Dixie, anyone can issue a C&D if your email is defamatory. So if I created an email called:
DixieJackHalber_is_a_(something bad here)@gmail.com then you can contact the person with a legal threat. You can also sue the person as it's not an empty threat.
Pretty simple really. You live in a world where your actions have consequences even though the left makes it look otherwise.
How in the world could someone be "forced" to give up their gmail account? That makes no sense.
The reason Adam went MIA after the update is because he can no longer comment on the boards since he is no longer a backer after he was refunded.
@jason Myrup, I don’t believe in turning on one another since we all are in the same boat.
As for unsubstantiated claims, there are many grounds to anyone wanting a refund. Funny thing is, I was actually in contact with Adam in the comments previously and he was the original person that found all the information. However, no one else on the comment board ridiculed his comments. Instead they agreed, you can go back and look at it. I think that scared the creators. We were sharing it with everyone so that everyone can decide on their own what they wanted to do. Like I said before if you don’t want to then don’t, no one is making you participate. As for claims, they are very real. As per the release of the promotional video and the timeline users were falsely led to believe that the product was already designed conceptually and mechanically engineered via the layouts. But I won’t go into more details until I hear it’s okay from the lawyers.
P.S Adam actually got his refund the same day the creators posted the update. So tell me, why would they refund him if they still fully intended to deliver the product. They also forced him to delete the gmail account so that address is no longer valid but I can send screenshots of what he sent me and the screenshot of his refund page.
Secondly, the more you attack me on trying to move forward, the more leeway you give to the creators since it informs them that people still think they are going to deliver.
Almost two years later, what do we have? 3 videos that are on topic! I realized about a year ago that this will never be a reality. I'd love a refund, but I know you wouldn't do that... *stats slow ironic clapping*
I’m going to start another kick starter project to make this a reality. Haha
Sorry, $0.15 each...
Anyone keen to change their pledge and meet the backer ? If we all chip in $1.50 this can be a reality
I want my refund....paid in pennies.
@Elizabeth Ngo, just curious of the two projects you've backed, did you threaten to sue the other one also? I'm also curious how much you backed Polygons for to get this mad.
Show me where Polygons hasn't worked on the project, or has done something wrong against it's backers....you can't because they haven't. Taking too long to develop a product isn't going against it's backers either.
Normally I just say to each his own, but making unsubstantiated claims seems to the be the going rate on this comment board.
Rediculous, now you want to sue. Great idea, lets take money and time away from the campaign so people can feel good about themselves, and make it even harder to get the final product.
I want my refund. This is getting ridiculous...
Not necessarily a scam, but $1,000,000 is a lot of money and it would be interesting to know how much has been spent, and on what (we assume it all goes to the project, but???)
My concern is that with so much time spent trying to get it to work there won't be enough money left to support manufacturing the product and provide everyone their rewards. For all we know, we may have already reached this point.
a scam would mean that they intentionally took our money and to never actually release anything. Prove that and then Kickstarter can step in, as far as I know, they do not permit scams but if the creator handled a project poorly and in the end couldn't deliver then that's not Kickstarter problem.
We INVESTED in this companies IDEA, not an actual product. The end result is, of course, to get what they promised but unfortunately, that's not always going to happen.
If you can prove they aren't holding up to their obligation as is outlined in #4 https://www.kickstarter.com/section4… then we have something to go on but they are still posting updates and showing progress (no matter how slow and in infrequent those updates are) which suggests the project is still moving forward and they would be still abiding by section 4.
Further, no one is asking for Kickstarter to refund their money. They are asking the creator to fulfill the Kickstarter terms and asking for the funds directly from the creator. Kickstarter’s terms do annul them from some responsibilities however, they are still a business and everyone can be and should be held accountable including us. Which is why I’m putting in the energy.
The survey link is to serve proof as to the amount of backers that are willing and wanting to get their refunds. This is the initial step to see how many or willing to go through with this or would like to pursue legal discourse. The survey is also used in collecting data as to where each person is coming from and other logistics. I have already reached out to a class action lawsuit and am waiting for them to gather more information. I have been through a class action lawsuit several actually, and I will tell you that it’s at this point the principles of it. They haven’t just scammed me they scammed over 30,000 people and if you don’t particularly want to be apart of it that’s fine, I’m not forcing anyone to participate, however I am making it an option for everyone to have a voice and to be heard if they wish to be a part of it. There are many grounds in which I intend to cover in the lawsuit but I’m going to wait until the lawyers get back to me.
I really can't see a class action suit happening. There's simply not enough money involved. A million dollars sounds like a lot of money, but it's really not especially when you're talking class action. Have you ever been part of a class action? Millions and millions of dollars are paid to the attorneys and hardly any goes back to the members of the class. And even if somehow a settlement were to be won, where is the money going to come from? That's getting blood from a stone. And like I said, Kickstarter makes it clear they are not going to be responsible for a project gone awry.
Like I said, the most that can realistically be done at this point is a small claims suit. Win your money back and try to collect. That's going to be about as easy as getting a refund.
Look I'm not happy either with the situation either. I really wanted the damn spoon they showed in the slick video and that doesn't look like it's going to happen. I feel naive because I took their promo at face value. I really thought they were ready to go to market, they just need the kickstart (see what I did there) to do the final machining and deliver the product. I was misled as were we all. They were no where near being about to produce the product. They were clearly in over their heads. I'd like nothing more than an admission of that and my spoon, or my money. But the reality is I'm out a whopping 11 bucks (USD). That's, nothing really. It's certainly not enough to get any kind of legal recourse. It sucks, but that's the way it goes. Maybe one day we'll have our spoons. If not, live and learn.
What has Polygons Design got to lose? They now have $1 Million dollars of our money and no product as of yet and no proper working prototype to show except for the one that Core 77 received.
This is not good enough. The updates are just an endless loop of lies 🤥 Months later of updates and the answer is still the same blah blah "can't get right manufacturer to make right mold injection blah blah." I bet if you just gave it to some Chinese manufacturer they can make it in less than a year with less than a million dollars of development funds! Rant over 😤
Hey Dixie, if you say that KS doesn't have the money anymore and polygon has it. Every basket is entitled to a refund regardless of reason.
Then I believe Elizabeth Ngo should organise a class action lawsuit with a link to collect signatures of all the backers wanting a refund instead of making surveys links.
KS and Rahul Agarwal should be very scared! CALS are not to be reckoned with.
Dixie, you fail to understand why it's important for people to post they want a refund. Here's a hint, it has little to do with actually getting money back. If people keep posting that exact same text it'll be much easier to programmatically scan and figure out what percentage of these comments and backers are FED UP!!!
There are no legal charges to press. At best you could file in small claims court for the amount you paid. You'll probably win, because it's unlikely that someone from Polygons would fly over from India to answer the suit. But then after you win, what do you do? You still have to collect. You're no better off than you are now.
People need to give up this refund idea. You're not getting a refund. Especially not from Kickstarter. If you read the *actual* *current* terms of service you'll see that they go out of their way to tell you they are not involved, they're just passing the money through. And you know what? Kickstarter doesn't even have your money anymore. They gave it to Polygons. You'll get your spoon or you won't, but you won't get your money back.
Elizabeth you are wasting time and energy on even thinking about legal action. m
I'm sure the lawyer will enjoy your money regardless of losing.
Beni, show me a single person here who said they expected it in a finger snap. I'll wait.
I look forward to this product hitting market so I can write as many bad reviews as possible. Half a product is the company that supports it and there's no denying how utterly horrible this company is when it comes to service.
@Ashley Brown: My second KS project really was a scam and the creator kept providing updates for three years before stopping all communication. So it can happen. I'm not sure about this project but scam artist do keep posting to keep folks calm while they do whatever they want with the funds. Just look up "The Peachy Printer" on Google. One of the creators made off with half the funds and built a house. The other creator didn't say anything to the backers for a year until the whole thing fell apart.
Hello all if you’re tired of this scam, Please everyone, fill out this survey in regard to refund/waiting for a product: https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/D9RRYN5
Please file a complaint to the FTC here: https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/#crnt&panel1-1 (Select "Scams and Rip-offs")
Have info regarding this scam? Send it to: PolygonsScam@gmail.com
I am working on pressing legal charges against Polygons.
Lol, refund invocking an oct 2012 terms-of use...
Guys, let them work and trust them. Indeed, the project is 1.5 year behind the schedule, but you signed up for a PROJECT AND NOT AN ALREADY MANUFACTURED PRODUCT.
what do you think, rockets or whatever were made in a finger snap ?!
edit lol: am I annoyed about this product being 1.5 years late, you bet,
I have some extra tires - how can I add them to this fire?
reporting this user to Kickstarter only wastes the customer service peoples times. I would hate to work for this company and have to handle all the complaints from late or undelivered products.
People. you aren't getting any refunds, complaining to Kickstarter will do nothing. You have invested in a companies idea with the hopes that you will actually get something in the end. Yes, the idea is to actually receive your product in the end but it doesn't always happen that way. Out of the 31 projects I've backed, I have 2 that haven't delivered yet (this one and a software which I still get updates on but taking longer than expected), One is over a year late but is on its way and others have received the item but I haven't and 2 delivering later this year and I have no reason to believe I won't get those items.
For this reason, I don't back larger projects that want 100's of $$, losing $20 for a failed project isn't much, am I happy about this product being 1.5 years late, you bet, but can we do anything about it nope. Other then the next project they launch I will be extremely leery about backing them in the future due to this one being so terrible.
I'm happy I have other measuring spoons.
I have reported this project to kickstarter, I urge more frustrated backers do the same so that he can be held accountable and we either see the product as promised or get refunds.
I want a refund. This is ridiculous.
Update of a bunch of words but no real point.
Dude probably took the money and invested it and is hoping to keep everyone tame by putting an update with a bunch of words that don't actually lead to a point.
I know it's pointless but if there should be a miracle where refunds go to only those who asked, here is mine...
I want a refund. No KS rights or anything like that. You are not making progress with the product offered so I want a refund.
I don’t want a refund. I want this piece of shit held accountable. The updates have been vague and show no progress. He spent a small amount of our money to create fake updates and is living off the majority of our money.
Such a shame to see all the calls for refunds. I'm still on board, KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK RAHUL! I could be wrong, but I still think these things are going to happen. If it was a scam we wouldn't be getting updates any more. And the updates are brilliant and often amusing. Some people need to now change their shipping address - they've moved house since the kickstarter ended! 😅
The technical challenges faced by any product design project, once you get down into the detail of manufacture, safety and quality assurance, can be immense. I can only applaud you Rahul for your continued diligence and tenacity in ensuring the product is right.
"Project Creators are required to fulfill all rewards of their successful fundraising campaigns or refund any Backer whose reward they do not or cannot fulfill."
*** I demand a full refund for my pledge amount. ***