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Another 150$-backer here... no shirts, no model, zilch, nada, nothing.
Only the keys for Steam.
@Mike Dennis - Same. Only one I've backed that didn't deliver was Colossal Kaiju Combat, but in that case they had a pretty darn good reason for folding (lead programmer passed away). On the most part the Kickstarted games have been a delightful - faves being Republique and Satellite Reign.
@Mike Dennis oh, I can give you a list if you wish, and I assure you none of them looked sketchy in any sense at the time. I get the feeling the "golden days" of Kickstarter are over (if they ever existed at all) as lots of experience surfaces about how the typical KS project is likely to end up - delivering significantly sub-par results, no results at all, or simply being an outright scam, and definitely over budget and way, way over deadline in either case. Successful delivery is not unheard of but about as likely as winning the lottery. I think in a decade or two crowdfunding will either need to transform completely getting much more responsible and accountable, or it will be well and truly dead...
Sounds like e might have a class action suit here folks... we've been ripped off. This is outright fraud.
I backed for 150 bucks, and apart from the steam keys, I got none of the rewards.
They aren't the only ones who've ripped off their fans, I've had devs abandon their projects, release DRM locked games (when promising otherwise) ask for more money when asking to switch platforms, etc. Lots of slimeballs out there. And I agree I back much less than I used too and mostly to devs who have delivered in the past. Had to buy the console version (used thankfully) to actually be able to play this game, that's ridiculous.... >=/
This Kickstarter is still the ONLY ONE that I've had where the creators just screwed over the backers and didn't fulfill the rewards of most of the backers. I'm pretty careful about the projects that I back, and even more careful after Stainless did this to us.
Still waiting on Stainless to fulfill their rewards tiers.
The DRM-free version is still absent. Last I heard not all platforms offered are covered either.
Considering the amount of time that has passed and the continued refusal of Stainless to communicate with their backers I've now moved on to warning my friends and fellow gamers about them.
If they ever shape up and actually deliver on their promised rewards options I'll be sure to let folks know that as well, but I'm not holding my breath.
For what it's worth I've emailed Kickstarter asking why they condone theft and how I can get my money back. Stainless have ignored my requests for a refund and "reporting" them to Kickstarter was also pointless.
Still waiting for the "Frequently Asked Question" to be fulfilled:
Will there be a non-Steam version?
We'll be using Steamworks for our online services on PC & Mac, so we require Steam for online play. However, we can confirm that there will be a non-steam, DRM-free release available to backers at a later date that supports single player and LAN multiplayer only. Obviously, this version won't have those Steamworks features.
Last updated: Wed, May 30 2012 2:57 PM CEST
@Jonathan Sweet: Be careful to do it before 24 hours before the deadline, though. "During the last 24 hours of the campaign, you can’t decrease or cancel your pledge without contacting customer support first — if that action would drop the project below its funding goal. "
I write this off as learning money.
I never again in life get myself in a position where I can get fucked, because I most likely will.
I hope they do another Kickstarter so I can pledge a large amount, crap on them in comments, then withdraw my pledge at the last minute.
Just thought I would hope on here for my quarterly reminder that Stainless is among the very worst software companies in the world for how it treats it's customers. You STOLE from us. THEFT is literally the only way to describe what you did to every single supporter who either runs on Mac or Linux, or who spent even more money on your lying promises of physical rewards. You are scam artists, nothing more, nothing less. WE WANT OUR REFUNDS!
Another place where you can post your comments: https://youtu.be/xAju5XuY5Sc
This is so ridiculous. They doesn't answer my questions here or the emails i send. I'm so fuckin disappointed. I really hope that the whole Stainless Games goes to ****.
And remember Stainless, your future is very, very small mobile apps.
Send them emails asking for our physical rewards and everything that they have not answered on:
corporate _AT_ stainlessgames _DOT_ com
It looks like they are ignoring all questions on this page.
I sent the following inquiry to Kickstarter:
"Other than reporting a project, which apparently doesn't do anything, what other recourse do backers have when a creator refuses to honor their word? There are multiple projects I have backed and whose creators are flat-out ignoring requests for more information and/or explanation. Several of these projects have already been reported, but alas to no avail. Does Kickstarter lack the manpower to look into reported projects? Or is it just that Kickstarter cannot be made to care about backer concerns once a project has been successfully funded? I know it mustn't be so, but at this point it feels like the latter is unfortunately the ugly reality."
Here's what Kickstarter said in response to my inquiries:
"Thank you for voicing your concerns with this project. We expect all members of the Kickstarter community to act with honesty and openness. When we find that people are abusing the system or the trust of others, we do not hesitate to suspend their account or restrict certain account privileges, like launching another project.
On our end, among staff, we track creators' fulfillment histories as comprehensively as possible - from snags to more serious complications - to help ensure creator accountability. We may adjust our policies based on feedback from backers and creators, and/or data aggregated across projects. Additionally, our Integrity Team monitors our system and reviews reports that we receive from our community. While we can’t speak to the nature of specific projects that have been approved or declined, we’re constantly working on improving our vetting process for creators and we are grateful for the feedback that folks like you provide."
So yeah...reporting a project to kickstarter does nothing. >__<
Newsflash: The "report this project to kickstarter" button does nothing.
Still no word on a Mac release. Please give me a code to redeem the Xbox game so I can play something. This sucks.
Hello Stainless Games,
I still haven't received my Carmageddon: Reincarnation game for my Steam account. Is it still on the way or do i have to forget the whole thing? I've been waiting it for a loooong time now.
If you're inclined to go legal over not receiving goods that Stainless advertised for sale on Kickstarter (yes all those terms are correct, no you don't know better, no Kickstarter creators can't legally claim they're not a store and you have no consumer rights if they act like a store) you can contact Citizens Advice or a Trading Standards office in the UK. Though if you're outside the UK you're probably screwed.
..and I've asked for that refund well over ten times since 2013, FYI. Stainless - such an ironic name!
This link is the only proof you will ever need (though there's far more) of what lying, untrustworthy, money-grabbing "game developers" these manchildren are:
Stainless are indeed scumbags, as I've been saying on here for years. I'm sorry it took so long and so many other people to realise that. Shame on them, ten times over.
Where Linux support?
Wait, nobody has got any physical rewards? That sucks.
I put some extra dollars on my pledge to help get the Mac stretch goal. Even though I'm not a mac user. Pissed off that mac seems to be just not happening.
linux version or refund!
At least stop posting here out of respect to those backers you cheated. I mean not delivering on a promise to do a mac version is one thing posting about more versions of the games is another.
I have tried loads of times to contact stainless Games to ask where all my rewards are and have had no response. They are a bunch of crooks. I want a full refund. Does anyone know how we can report them for just taking our money?
this sucks, i backed with 350$ and seeing it all gone suck, i thought they would do right by us, but instead they just screw us......
i find it ironic that under the "post comment" button it says "be respectful and considerate" they don't deserve neither
Unfortunately, it doesn't look like reporting will do anything...
Reported them to kickstarter aswell, it pains me cause I'm a big carmageddon fan but this is just crazy what they are doing.
I advice everyone to do the same.
Reported as well. At long last.
@Lee Dempsey: Good idea; thanks for the link.
Class action might be tricky given the location of Stainless, but it's easy to just contact one in your area. Alternatively if enough of us send "news story" comments to Eurogamer they might get around to giving Stainless the same treatment they did to 22Cans. http://www.eurogamer.net/contact.php
Any lawyers on here interested in turning this into a class action lawsuit? This has turned into a pretty clear case of fraud, especially for those that paid $150 - 300 for physical rewards that were never shipped. This is not a case of a company going out of business and not being able to launch a product. This is a company that is simply refusing to deliver on their promises as they shift energies to make more money on other platforms. FRAUD, that is what is. Plain and simple.
Pledged 150 and only steam keys here too.
As of Sept. 7th, status says "Stainless Games, Last login Jul 26 2016". So I guess there's no hope of getting any reply via this platform. I'm not a negative nancy when it comes to gaming - on the contrary, it's a domain I approach with positive vibes - but I have to admit, this is starting look quite worrisome. I'd ask for ANY update to prove everybody wrong, but... :(
Also waiting on my DRM free version. I'm reporting them too. There's no reason they can't unbundle the version they made for Steam and make it work DRM free in this many months.
Reporting didn't do anything. The only way anyone is going to give a damn is if someone from here has a press contact that can put this into the spotlight: then suddenly things will get done. Otherwise, hopeless.
The name of the publisher for the recently new XBOX/PS4 only title is called, quite fittingly, "sold out".
Still no DRM free version.
I also did "Report this project to Kickstarter" with "status is unclear.. is not communicating"
What about Linux support?
I caved and finally pulled the trigger on reporting this project to Kickstarter. I know plenty of you are already ahead of me on this, but I foolishly clung onto misguided hope. In any case, if you haven't reported this project, you can do so on the campaign page, if you scroll to the very bottom. There's a "Report this project to Kickstarter" link. Dubious if anything will ever come out of reporting, but at least it's something...
Still no DRM version.
@Bob M: I agree. We can't let them get away with fraud.
I donated specifically because an OS X version was promised. No show! Does this constitute a ripoff? Where is it? When is it? Why am I waiting all these years? Was this bait and blowoff?
Still no physical rewards. Steam keys dissapear and no way to recover (Steam points to Stainless, Stainless points to Steam)