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How about actually release an update about the current situation? Your CES presence seemed to be non existent according to pictures, people trying to visit you. And you only post some pictures and videos from a hotel room.
Official you can't
you could try to get a chargeback with your credit card company. Some probably would help you there, as the last delivery promise of January wasn't kept.
Sure you can go for a lawsuit. That would just cost you ~3x the amount you pledged here, and as the probably are already broke you won't get any money in return.
Hey guys, how does someone get a refund. Tired of waiting.
Honestly if anyone had taken the money they pledged for this project and invested it, the returns they would have had in the years its taken would have been greater than the discount received by being a backer. There is no advantage in dealing with these guys anymore. They are a complete joke.
I think everyone should be requesting a refund or a lawsuit here.
This project is a scam : http://kickscammed.com/project/slidenjoy-double-or-triple-your-screens/#.WoSjU7pT6hB
This kickstarter campaign is a scam. Join the facebookgroup ‘slidenjoy is it a scam’
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1455291584505620/ Legal actions are on the way. Class action is possible under EU law !
Well, on their social media channels, they’ve gone silent since Jan 11th. That is unusual even for them. They haven’t logged on here since Jan 10th. So, where are they? Still in Vegas and put everything on red and it landed on black? The mystery continues.......
Well well well, we're waiting. Creators, what's your next shitty excuse? Are you still busy writing some BS for the update? ...
any update ppfff
lol you still believe we get one? the next update will be "Sorry we have run out of money"
how should they be able to start shipping, if they haven't even sent the survey to update your order. I'm along several notebooks in different sizes already since i ordered it :D
Joe, you didn't actually believe them lol. This project and team are a complete joke and honestly fraudulent in their actions representing a product that was closer to completion than in reality it ever was. You will get your slidenjoy, my guess is june 2018.
From Update No 54 in october:
"We will start releasing/shipping your products, dear Kickstarter backers on January while for pre-order consumers release will be on February and we plan to be in stores by start of April or early May of 2018."
Are you already started shipping?
Hey fuckers, where is my Slidenjoy?
@Israel I know. I just wanted to show how similar Le Slide is to the expired patent.
That patent is not theirs, it's old, expired and in US... they said they filled it in the European pantents office
Here’s a patent.
Recognise it? This was from a post on FB.
According to european laws, kickstarter pledges are not an investment, because you dont get equity, you are buying a product, and the consumer laws apply.
But even if it is consider an investment, lying to your investors is fraud and you can do jail time for it... and they lied to us from the beginning... not misleading, plain lies: the prototype was not production ready, they never applied for a patent (they used it as an excuse)... they don't understand what they are risking here... is not just about money, is about doing some time in jail
The major difference here is, that on Indiegogo (that was that case about) wrote order on one of the pages. We don't have that on any of our communications sadly...
This should be a major wakeup call - a pledge IS an order, says a judge. And failure to deliver in a reasonable timescale DOES warrant a refund.
Anyone who has the chance and has not found the link on any of the fb groups, if you could fill out a quick survey it will help those beginning legal action.
Here we are, February 1st and nothing happened in the last month. Congrats creators, one more lie! I'm so done.. what BS will you tell in the next update?
Cheers Everyone. Wanted to invite all of you who have not joined our FB Group. Right now we are beginning a campaign to legally get answers to our questions. I am tired of trying and at this point i see my money essentially wasted. But if you are interested in our discussion please join us.
It is already the end of January with no definitive answers and once again broken promises. What happened at CES 2018?
the change to 17,3" shouldn't be a problem. I aked that bevor i backed over 2 years ago and they said it can be changed. I already wrote them a mail several month ago that i need 17" now, too (without an answer :D )
The upgrade to 4k probably isn't possible and i hope they aren't working on those... That would be a major delay yet again ( well if we ever receive this :D )
The chip they use doesn't support that resolution. And 4k still isn't really common on notebooks anyway. Depending on the cost i would take the upgrade, but it probably wouldn't be useful.
The Last shipping promise we got here was in update 53 ( i believe) with
"We will start releasing/shipping your products, dear Kickstarter backers on January" ... "2018"
I agree, that is exactly the point @MIB...
@PICARD, saying "I'm pretty sure that if they'd know anything about dates they would tell us... " is ridiculous. They should know the dates, or they have a major issue with production, in which case they should communicate what their production blockers are... that's the what kickstarter creator->backer communication is meant to be for. Instead we have to hear rumours from every other form of social media except the one they should be communicating on. It is just like I said when they tried to say we should follow them on snapchat (which failed as a communication medium for @creator just like I expected it to)
What is with 4K / UHD? I would like to update to 17,3" and to UHD. Is that in development? I guess they just have to replace the screens. As we are waiting now for almost 2,5 years and the development isn't staying still - I would expect that this would become an option.
@PICARD Our experiences are based on what has happened over 2.5 years. Their communication is so bad that it’s clear they’ve run out of excuses and now totally avoid the obvious questions.
Now, if they had communicated in a regular and informative way, then there is NO issue for me and many others. This is KS after all. But, it is clear their project management doesn’t exist. Their respect for their backers doesn’t exist. They don’t answer questions after updates now!! Is there enough money to take this through to Production?
They have not communicated a delivery date here for about a year. We hear rumours from other social media channels. That IS WRONG!!
Finally, in my view, you’re either a fake account spreading fake news or you’re just naive. You say they’ll tell us the dates when they know. If they don’t know NOW, WTF have they been doing? What are they waiting for? Christmas, money, production lines, parts, legal....what is it!? We don’t know ANYTHING, because they have NOT COMMUNICATED ANYTHING related to this.
It's kinda hard to decide, if you really still trust them ( after being lied to several times) or if they bought the account of one who ordered one and try to sooth us.
We have a Date. January 2018.
Wait this is the last day of that :O
So i get my Screens today? :D
Wait that can't be right, i still haven't gotten an update email for the screen sizes so i get the wrong today? ...
Things that took less time to design and build than Slidenjoy/Le Slide
Alcatraz Federal Penitentiary
A new cellhouse was built in 1910–1912 on a budget of $250,000
In 1933–34 it was modernized and became the main cellhouse of the federal penitentiary
Hummm....this has layers and there are several things would could unpack here. But how about getting something out there that is usable and improve upon it later.
I'm pretty sure that if they'd know anything about dates they would tell us...
We just have to wait
"Just had a conversation with Laurent...don't worry guys, this is gonna be an awesome product :) The wait is worth it 100%"
Thanks so much for letting us know. I'm sure we can take that promise right to the bank.
So @PICARD when are they releasing it? I mean if you were talking to him, that would be the first question. Then, I would put it here on your last update.
@PICARD Pick up the phone again and get answers to the following:
a. When will we see the final production unit?
b. When will the final surveys be sent out?
c. When will they go into production?
d. When will KS backers get theirs delivered?
e. Why don’t they answer anyone on KS & FB anymore?
f. Have the got enough money to go into production and produce at least 1600 units?
If you can get answers to those questions, I might believe your last update.
As you were.
@picard - Yeah, right - you do know he's a salesman/marketer right? If the product is going to be so great, why won't SNJ comment on here any more? If the product is so great, why is it going to weigh much more than originally forecast? If the product is so great, why don't we have it in hands even though the original deadline has passed.
Top tip @creators - if you want to avoid really annoying the very group of people who were originally sufficiently interested in your product idea to back it, COMMUNICATE with them. As it is, instead of a bunch of people supporting you, you have a number of people who will never, ever say anything good about the product however brilliant it might actually be because you have completely alienated them. Not such a great move for "marketeers", eh?
Just had a conversation with Laurent...don't worry guys, this is gonna be an awesome product :) The wait is worth it 100%
Just saw this on Twitter, I think it's relatable.. @creators
“"The perfect is the enemy of the good."
Striving for perfection will prevent you from closing, and will narrow your view of a project.
Being able to close a project of quality is more important (and more impressive) than a perfect project that's never complete.”
I would expect if they are taking all of the vaporware deposits and not actually delivering a product, they should be making a profit, right?
"@Daniel I don't think you could expect them to make a profit, they have not sold a product? Accounting rules vary, but it is not unusual for deposits to handled in a special way (ie. not as immediate profit). I think they have done quite well to only lose 100k! Especially with all those "holidays" ;-)"
@Dear Mr. P: What I am worried about is that 100.828,90 euros of loss might be just a tip of iceberg.... I personally do not think that they have been honest with us from the day 1 and I would like to be proven wrong.....
@Daniel I don't think you could expect them to make a profit, they have not sold a product? Accounting rules vary, but it is not unusual for deposits to handled in a special way (ie. not as immediate profit). I think they have done quite well to only lose 100k! Especially with all those "holidays" ;-)
@leslide: Would you mind explaining what happened to you in 2016 with zero euro of profit and a loss of 100.828,90 euros according to Central balance sheet office in Belgium?
In addition to that, please tell us the investors
1. What happened in CES 2018 apart from the dodgy Linus advertissement?
2. Are you going to ship us any final product because it is going to be Feburary in six days from now.
@all dear backers: For those who would like to see how our dear friends do, please
1. visit https://cri.nbb.be/bc9/web/catalog…
2. type in 0479150108 when asked
3. download the stuff either in pdf format or in xbrl format
Let's say a little loss of 100.828,90 euros + zero euro of profit back in 2016 (the last page)
I am very upset that , it's been two years. I demand an answer from your founders. when will this be ship to our house!
So, 24th January and still nothing real. Again, you showed off at a tech exhibition leaving us without answers. You have no excuse for such a poor communication and customer service, don't say you were too much focused to create the perfect product. There is NO perfection, we just want the f*cking product we backed over 2 years ago. Sick of your BS.
As a reminder: "The official release of Slidenjoy is still planned early January 2018."
"We will start releasing/shipping your products, dear Kickstarter backers on January while for pre-order consumers release will be on February"
Can we please have a status. CES 2018 is over, with only one week left in January. Per the last status that had any kind of timeline, the end of January you would be shipping to backers and shipping to pre-orders in February and stocking store shelves by April. When can we expect a survey to confirm our slidenjoy.
if in 2015 instead of giving our money to these @assholes, we would have invested in BTC we would have around 14000usd right now
@Michael McLean -- depends on the CC company and their policies. If there is no further update from the creators by the end of Jan, given their last promised delivery date, I should be able to claim back from my CC company.
Does anyone know if we can just do a Credit Card dispute? I know its been a while but may be worth a shot. I know I could put that money to better use. And I can assure you it wont be with kickstarter.
Things that took less time to design and build than Slidenjoy/Le Slide:
The Petronas Twin Towers [3 years]
Construction started: 1 March 1993
Completed: 1 March 1996
One of the founder on FB. Would he answer?
The Empire State Building [1 year, 1 month]
Construction started: 17 March 1930
Completed: 11 April 1931
I thought we could have a little fun while we wait.
Things that took less time to design and build than Slidenjoy/Le Slide.
Slidenjoy/Le Slide: [3 years and counting]
Started: January 2015
The Eiffel Tower [2 years, 2 months]
Construction started: 28 January 1887
Completed: 15 March 1889
Feel free to add your own. ;-)
if they would always have been up front to us about delays and problems and would write a lot more about it here for the backers ( even if as backers only with a generic title like "backers update #x") there would be much less hate. Man i know for sure, that i will get the wrong version. I still think they are fake but that is solely on how they handled it.
In the current time to get a prototype hinge isn't that hard, you can print them yourself with a cheap 300$ printer. If they would have shown us older versions of the hinge they discarded e.g. that would have been a great update for us backers and we would have seen that they work on it...
I think it is the same as last time they hired someone to do customer relations. If they don't give the person any information, then the person can't do their job. All they can do is turn out the same canned response, anything else they could provide would be spin on the existing non-information. The fault lies with Laurent, Charlee and Thomas.
So I pretended to be a customer interested in buying this for the first time, even though I backed it in 2015. The person was nice gave the same answer about the time frame. Promised they would deliver, I asked them actually I begged them to get on kickstarter and tell this to everyone and give a little reassurance to their backers. He stated that there was a person to handle that and they would escalate it... I waited 5 years for my Jibo, and he was four years late. The same thing I told him was the Jibo team was transparent about every delay and went out of their way to reassure their backers.