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Come on, guys. Praying against him till the day you die? Are we so petty? Honestly, I just hope he makes an update saying that Secret Labs ran out of money, and that he screwed up cause he mismanaged the project. That he did not put faith in House of Horology and will offer them a full apology for throwing them under the bus when it's his own mismanagement and the lack of understanding that killed this project. And thank us for the nice additions we made to his house... That he operated the project by using lots of pseudonyms; and that the "team" had only consist of him, his wife, and 3 of his pseudonyms... And the watch straps, man...
Fuck that guy seriously though.
I want my money back
I will never forgive you and will keep praying against you till the day I die.
$199 refund? Heck even half of those will suffice. A damn watch case and strap will be okay with me - if these exist. Fu Chris Wanker. Fu Kickstarter.
I'm thinking about putting together a video (possibly even a short film) documenting this failed project and KickStarter's lack of accountability.
I know many of you have been following the progress (or lack thereof) more closely than I have. Is anyone interested in sharing their stories and/or collaborating on this? If so, drop me a line at firstname.lastname@example.org.
Kickstarter is a gateway for legalised theft. Period. You don't even have to be a hacker. Just someone who can throw in perhaps £1K on a fancy video and submission. Once done - sit back and wait for the money.
Not done anything else with wilderness labs because my consultancy business has taken off. If anyone can find Chris Walker then please let me know.
Hope I made a few of you chuckle on the site in any case.
As for Chris - we can but hope his life is a misery.
@Brian Many of us have already contacted the NY AG, myself included. I also tried the FTC, BBB, and pretty much any other way to make his life hell. Someone here even sued him in small claims court, I think. It was a long time ago now. If I recall he didn't show. The whole thing stinks of a scam. The latest where some people got refunds for the gift certificates to the store the never existed was really an extra kick in the pants. I still want to know what addition we put on Chris's house somewhere in UT. I assume the "factory" was never located in NYC https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/002/669/597/0158825c97210024963f3bc59ad3b325_original.bmp…
Chris Walker is a manipulative liar and a thief is what it comes down to.
@Frank, well done but I hope their response to you is more bespoke than the one I got and posted here mid April.
Let's have fun. This is a slab of their response to me. What's the probability of all or most if this crap being repeated?
>>> Backing a project on Kickstarter is an expression of trust and can help lead to the creation of new and exciting things. But it’s important to remember that sometimes complications arise that might prevent a project from unfolding as planned — or from happening at all. This certainly isn’t ideal, but we hope that creators and backers will try to communicate with each other through these developments.
Although we are unable to offer refunds, we are constantly working to improve the vetting process for creators and thank you for sharing your experience. We hope you’ll continue to be an active member of the Kickstarter community as we learn and grow.
I reported this project to Kickstarter:
"If this project isn't on your radar, there's a failure of support for your community of backers making Kickstarter campaigns a reality.
To put it plainly, the creators of this campaign have on multiple occasions shared false claims and deliberately misled their backers to avoid answering the 'tough questions' if you will. This campaign is over three years old now and not only has the product not shipped, but the companies involved have since been dissolved and the creators have ostensibly left the area.
Many of us that backed this campaign pledged over $200. While we're aware that Kickstarter is not a store, we have yet to see anything – even a company form around their idea – that qualifies as a return for our pledges.
This is an issue that needs to be addressed, as many of us – and others avoiding Kickstarter for fear of being a victim of a similar scam – would like to take action, but feel unsupported by Kickstarter and are not sure what rights we have as pledgers/consumers in this case of very evident fraud.
Thank you for your time. I hope to come to a resolution or at least find a direction for us."
How do you take over $1 million and not be held liable for this scam. I guess it's a quick was to make a million.
If anyone wants to sue; I'm up for that. We should at least turn him in to the attorney general's office.
Sure you could pay a private investigator to go hunt him down, but that costs money.
Is there a was to track the guy down and send someone to talk to him?
We can all do a class action suit. Taking over a million is a serious felony and has serious consequences. We may not get our money back, but we can ensure that he is brought to justice at some point. If he is out of the US, then he will not be able to return without facing the consequences.
There's little point to trying to sue now, Chris Walker has skipped town with our money and probably living on the beach in Mexico. I was in NYC a few weeks ago and there's no trace of him.
I'll be in NY this summer. How can I sue him? Anyone wants to join me?
Silly me for thinking Kickstarter was fun. It was for some time until I ran into this thief and he stole money from 5685 other people. I also backed a game called "Scale" and the creator stole our money and clearly abandoned the project. At least I only backed him for $10.
200 fucking dollars. I want them back.
FUCK YOU CHRIS WALKER
FUCK YOU KICKSTARTER
The reply from Kickstarter:
"Thank you for following up with us about the status of this project. I’m sorry you’ve been experiencing these issues with communication. We've reached out to the creator again with a reminder of their obligations to their backer community, and have forwarded along your concerns and those of your fellow backers. While we're disheartened that they have not yet updated backers on the status of their project, we're unable to force them to do so — it's the creator's responsibility to communicate and complete the project as promised.
Backing a project on Kickstarter is an expression of trust and can help lead to the creation of new and exciting things. But it’s important to remember that sometimes complications arise that might prevent a project from unfolding as planned — or from happening at all. This certainly isn’t ideal, but we hope that creators and backers will try to communicate with each other through these developments.
If you have already reported this project to Kickstarter they don't make it easy to report again. So just send an email to email@example.com . The more, the merrier.
I did that again recently and will update you if/when I get other than their usual facile canned reply.
I'm still here, il check weekly. Il report the project. Is there anything else I can do?
@Simon - you bring up an interesting angle on this fiasco. If you could get someone to sue you, you would have the ability to legally go after all sorts of related information. ...like the whereabouts of CW and more. Hmmm, how can we get CW to sue you?
Once the magical 1 year milestone hits for time passed since Crooked Chris' last update, I propose we do a massive KS report, email Crooked Chris and advise a media outlet campaign.
Everyone make sure to report the project to Kickstarter using the button below the project description. Maybe if enough of us report it, they'll actually do something.
Going on a year since the last update...At what point does Kickstarter decide to say anything?
Where's our update about the watch strap stitching? Or what about the shelf life of the electronic components? Has Chris decided that the spring bars need to be totally redesigned from scratch even though the watch industry perfected them 100 years ago?
In short, fuck you Chris Walker. I will continue to follow you around and post what you did here every time you poke your head up and try to scam more money. You're a thief and a scam artist. There will be a special place in hell for you.
If Kickstarter admits this is dead, can we file the theft as a write off on our taxes?
This is a smartwatch nowadays:
But no, I won't back it. Guess why...
Still can't believe I pissed away $200 on this thief. It's even worse than a thief, since I truly believed in your "dream" to develop an awesome invention, and you clearly had zero intention of producing this. I guarantee you pocketed the money from the beginning and have been living on the interest ever since. You're a charlatan, and I hope you enjoy your life, knowing that the only reason you can eat is because you screwed over thousands of people.
The book Chris Walker wrote about "Getting Started with Netduino" is still available on Amazon as someone recently pointed out. I know that it's old and not likely to get much attention anymore but I posted a bunch of comments in the reviews stating the following:
"I know that this is an old product but should you happen to come across this review, please do not buy this book or anything else from, or associated with, Chris Walker. He scammed over 5600 people out of over 1 million dollars though his "Agent Smartwatch" Kickstarter campaign. He strung backers along for several years posting increasingly meaningless updates in order to carry on the appearance that the project/product was still active and would be eventually completed. That is until he decided that even maintaining that façade was too much work at which time, and without any explanation, he took what was left of the money and ran. He stole our money. Please do not give him any of yours.
If you want to learn about how Chris Walker / Secret Labs stole money from over 5600 people, you can read through over 11,500 comments (as of posting) here: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/secretlabs/agent-the-worlds-smartest-watch/comments
Or you can read a write-up about it here: https://www.wareable.com/crowdfund/the-saga-of-the-agent-smartwatch-2434"
The comments may never be seen, they may get deleted. But just one more opportunity to try and ensure the legacy of this disaster hangs around Chris Walker's neck for as long as possible.
you are so right we should pursuit kickstater for steeling because they should have done what indigogo did here
Indigogo there move to help their backers
@Michael: The Walking dead!
This project will be here forever, because Kickstarter doesn't care at all
Where is Chris Walker?
New post here:
Very frustrating - is anyone still in touch with Lawrence? Perhaps he could shed some light on the situation.
Soo...nothing? Has Crooked Chris kicked the bucket?
So, I've been a complete jerk here and will continue to do so until kickstarter and the buttholes that started this campaign own their shit. So, here goes. FUCK YOU KICKSTARTER! FUCK YOU @Creator. I truly hope everyone that defended this asshole feel stupid for doing it. And to kickstarter, if you really cared about your stupid rules, you would have banned me by now. But you didn't, because you know you are as much to blame as the people that fuck people out of their cash.
Great work on http://www.wilderness-labs.com Simon. Made me chuckle
I've put this project down to experience and another nail in the coffin for no longer using KS. As with everything to be on the crest of the concept (crowd sourcing) is exciting and fun. Then the thieves want some of what they think is easy money and it all goes down hill from there. Chris Walker - thief of a slaves money :-(
I can't wait to go to California this summer and see this scum. Anyone wants to join?
Like other here, I just came across this website www.wilderness-labs.com and it is brilliant. It's not going to help us get our money back, but you might laugh a little which should temporarily stop the flow of tears.
Maybe he actually bought his wife this:
At this point, if I got this from Crooked Chris then I'd be happy. Sure as hell would be useful than an obsolete wrist turd.
The curious case of the missing dehydrator and parts is now up on the site.
If you have any comments, can link to the website, fancy doing some SEO or contributing a blog post feel free to contact me through the website.
Chris Walker should not be allowed to just disappear without any account of where our million bucks went. He should not be allowed to "start again" or make a "fresh start" until he apologises for being a grade A arse and give us some of his ill gotten gains back even if it means he ends up living in a dumpster.
Don't let him get away with it. Let's make sure anyone who searches for Chris Walker, Netduino or Secret Labs knows that he is a wrong'un.
That is tough on wilderness labs inc but frankly they didn't give a damn about us so why should we care that much?
Help me out people.
It is my estimation that Kickstarter should have profited over $50k USD from this fraud. I asked the to return the ~$8.90 per backer they collected as an act of good faith, however I got the typical BS about not being able to offer refunds, projects don't always go as planned, etc. If CW didn't maintain his part of the agreement and Kickstarter was aware of that wouldn't that mean that Kickstarter is aiding and abetting fraud? It doesn't sit well with me that Kickstarter is knowingly and willingly profiting from fraud. I will never back a Kickstarter project again.
It's amazing this dude got over $1 million and no response. No following up from Kickstarter. Nothing at all.
@Simon He's either really stupid for buying the Netduino IP (and all of CW's problems) or he's got one heck of a legal shield from the nightmare... It'll be interesting to see how this plays out
Wilderness Labs... Sell whatever stock, cabinets, and capital used from funding in those project and return to the investors.
Chris Walker... Rott in hell. I hope we never run into one another.