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      Creator Jake Desaulniers on March 28

      Am I reading this correctly? Did Quarterly just sell boxes of Schuyler's picks while we're still waiting for ours? I pretty much gave up a while ago, but seeing this in my email just reopened the wound.

      http://quarterlyco.tumblr.com/post/79881876540/jxf08-the-key-to-lock-picking

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      Creator Twonky on March 26

      New plan. Get bought by Facebook.

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      Creator Claire van den Broek on February 13

      Demand a refund, I've already received one. This project is a farce. Kickstarter is not an investment. Investments involve a return or share in the stocks. This is purely a purchase. You have a legal right to get your money back if you request it.

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      Creator Threemoons on January 27

      Well, OK, glad the store is open. Bought my picks outright; hope this helps, can't wait to finally get the items in hand. For me, getting the 20-pick set in hand will be closure.

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      Creator Threemoons on January 20

      Me, I'm wondering when they are actually going to just sell the damn picks already to help bootstrap the supporters. Not sure what the holdup on that side is.

      Again, this has been going on for four years. The founder used the funds for everything except fulfillment, and no amount of dancing around the facts will change that.

      As I've said before, I'd be happy to buy picks outright as would many others, so where's the goods?

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      Creator Adam Moyer on January 18

      I say every gets together, can you say "class action". These guys are doing nothing Kickstarter is doing nothing to resolve this.

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      Creator Ken Bass on January 15

      *Face palm* For christs sake, just send us all a refund. This is now insane. THREE YEARS and what do any of us have to show for it? Hard times? Saddle up pony boy, you dropped the ball I've been paitient, even supportive, but shit, enough.

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      Creator Matt Chester on January 9

      Is there any way you can let us know how many pick sets have shipped?

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      Creator Robin Wood on January 8

      Any chance of having anything to pick up at ShmooCon?

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      Creator David M. Williams on December 27

      Can we get a partial refund?

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      Creator Adam Moyer on December 15

      I ask Kickstarter to take action. They said they notified the creator to post a update because it has been a while since the last update. There is enough backers here I think we need to take this to the next level. At this point it doesn't look like any of use will be getting picks. I think we all have been patient enough.

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      Creator MacGyver101 on December 14

      Would appreciate an update, please.

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      Creator Paul Offe on December 3

      no Updates for some time :(

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      Creator David Keen on November 9

      Are they contacting people about changes in address before shipping? I'm sure they are going to get a lot of returned packages, if not.

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      Creator Harry on October 10, 2013

      Jason, Schuyler, etal. I know it's been awhile for the project/campaign overall, but wanted to give my thanks for the mostly-regular attempt at updates. I think in some ways the arc of the project has been more interesting with the detailed updates illustrating the various stages. I don't think many appreciate the complexity of doing one of these projects on Kickstarter, especially if they are wildly oversubscribed. Thanks! (I know I'll eventually get the pledge-related reward and I can wait)

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      Creator David Clements on October 7, 2013

      If you want to change your address, check a few posts down on this very page and get your answer. Jason Aller on Feb 11, 2013 posted your solution.

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      Creator Isaac on September 29, 2013

      How do we go about changing our address with you guys? It's been a long three years and I've moved about considerably.

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      Creator lavonardo on September 25, 2013

      Haven't changed my address, but haven't received anything yet but a couple of e-mails (latest in March 2013).

      Considering that the project is now more than three years old, I'd like to close the books on this.

      So, Jason/Schuyler/whoever: please confirm when you're shipping the practice kit, or state if you are unable to fulfill your commitment.

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      Creator Schuyler Towne on September 25, 2013

      Jason, speaking for the board.

      Justin, over the last year of effort, we've fielded over 300 address changes.

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      Creator Justin Eugene Evans on September 22, 2013

      I sincerely hope Schuyler takes the time to get all our updated addresses. When he begins shipping tomorrow it will be three years to the day that he raised the 87K from us to begin this project. Three years.

      My guess is hundreds of his backers, including Chris and myself, are now at different addresses.

      Schuyler, thank you for finally completing this project.

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      Creator Chris on August 7, 2013

      Will we be able to change our mailing address before the picks go out? I've moved recently.

      Thanks to Jason and the team for everything you are doing to make this project a (delayed) success!

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      Creator Shaun Pryszlak on July 29, 2013

      @kenn I just used the same comparison on the comments of another project I backed. :)

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      Creator Threemoons on July 17, 2013

      Still no updates....

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      Creator aloria on July 3, 2013

      I'm out as well. Hope you enjoyed the free rent, laptop, and TV on our dime...

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      Creator Random12312 on April 28, 2013

      I'm out.. From this point Schuyler doesn't owe me anything.. I backed a project before there was a product. Project failure was always a possibility.

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      Creator Threemoons on April 12, 2013

      Any movement on this whatsoever? I think that it's time to make a decision....

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      Creator Kenn Christianson on March 17, 2013

      First, start with a couple of comments:

      Kudos to the Board for their admirable efforts in stepping in to try to bring this project to completion.

      I would like to give Schuyler a lot of credit - that is assuming his posts are honest and truthful - or
      as best his mental state could allow. I found his admission to about his hospital stay and his mental state (update 71, july 2, 2012 and there abouts) to be very moving. I sincerely wish him the best.

      Last, sorry for the length of this comment. I've been tracking this project for a while, so I guess I saved up a few comments!

      Perspective

      I backed this project to get a set of picks for my son's 15th birthday. He is now over 17 yrs old.

      I bought the $20 Pledge level so I can't really claim to be seriously impacted by the failure of this project. And I know that my view with $20 pledge is very different from those at higher levels, still....

      My first response to the present situation with this project is, as a mere $20 backer, to either forgive the obligation or, if possible, agree to pay the same amount again for the delivery of the picks in my pledge level. Either way would ok with me.

      But this project, after 100+ updates and 566 comments definitely generates a more mixed, complex response, maybe even in the Kubler-Ross response model (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%BCbler-Ross_model)

      ------ DENIAL

      "This project is sure taking a long time by he seems to have encountering problems with the picks and the materials that are not his fault. I am sure he will work it out and finish the project. "

      ------ ANGER

      Now, not all Kickstarter projects are successful. Granted. Some run into unexpected problems with unexpected costs. Granted. For this project I think it is understandable that some amount of the funds were spent on designs and manufacturing trials that ultimately failed. That is acceptable (to me at least). That is part of the process. I would even say that is part of the Kickstarter experience to witness the bumps, setbacks, and detours and course corrections that happen from between idea and delivery ... and sometimes failure.

      What is not acceptable is for project funds to be used on anything but the project.

      It appears Schuyler used a significant portion of the $87,407 fund for unrelated personal use. (see Update #63 on 2/1/12 regarding finances, we paid for rent? health ins? Car repair? new laptop? etc) Not coincidentally the amount spent for non-project purposes likely equals or exceeds to $33,000 estimated completion cost (depending on how long we paid his rent). He treated this a free money. Part of me wants to demand that he get a loan and complete the project on the original terms (see Jon Kecks' prior update about www.prosper.com). He can consider the debt as a student loan as this has clearly been an education for him. Debts can be paid or forgiven but not ignored.

      But, I admit, getting a loan for $33K is probably not going to happen.

      ------ BARGAINING

      Here comes the current phase with the report from the board that it will take $33,000 to finish the project. Should we contribute? Should we pay again? Find new sponsors? Difficult to bargain when the primary party is absent from the discussion. Should Schuyler sell the pick design to a 3rd party? Could someone get a loan large enough to not only manufacture the picks needed but in extra ones that could be sold to help pay back the loan. Maybe Schuyler can offer all backers free-lifetime passes to any of his workshops?

      ------ DEPRESSION

      Why should we be bargaining at all? We aren't at fault. It's hopeless. We should never have gotten to this point. Why or why did I fund this? I've been conned to giving someone free money. I am never going to fund another project again.

      The comment post from Justin Eugene Evans on January 26 put it in perspective: he is basically saying that this was never rocket science. This is a relatively normal small-scale manufacturing project with typical issues that should have been resolvable long ago.

      sigh....

      ------ ACCEPTANCE

      In a slightly different take on the whole process, I have to confess that, for me, I have already received more that my $20 value. Admittedly, not in the form of picks but in, shall we way, entertainment. Following this project over the years through all the ups and down has been fascinating. The trials and tribulations to get the perfect design, the perfect metal and the manufacturing trials and errors was an insight into a world foreign to me. And the drama! Schuyler's alleged breakdown is a dramatic development worthy of any good story. Now add suspicion of misuse of funds and even fraud, the silence of the founder, and then the appearance of a board made up of good hearted folks intent on completing this project in any way possible - that is worthy of any plot line. I have spent $20 going to the movies or buying books and have received less lasting entertainment (and, please, I am not making light of Schuylers troubles...)

      So, that is where I am today:

      - I would love to get a set of picks as originally promised. I would even pay again if guaranteed.
      - I would like to know that Schuyler is banned from starting another crowd funded project on Kickstarter or elsewhere.
      - Part of me wants to know there was a punishment for misusing the funds... but, if Schuyler's updates have been truthful he seems to be getting karma payback already.
      - I would like to award the board saint status for trying to complete a project they did not own.
      - and last, if delivery is not possible, I would agree to close the project.

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      Creator Jon Keck on March 11, 2013

      In response to the question of how things can move forward at this point. One option for coming up with the funding to do a production run, without asking for donations would be to use something like this:

      http://www.prosper.com/

      This would be particularly the case if the production run would provide many more picks than were needed to give the backers what is owed, because then they could be sold to help cover the loan in addition to what Schuyler is paying back.

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      Creator Glug on March 6, 2013

      Any updates on the lock libraries?

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      Creator Shawn Jaggers on February 27, 2013

      Any updates coming soon? Just curious.

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      Creator Jason Aller on February 11, 2013

      @Mitchell, to update your address e-mail your name, old address, and new address to CHANGEDADDRESS@textfiles.com

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      Creator Mitchell on February 9, 2013

      Does anyone know how to go about updating our address?

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      Creator Justin Eugene Evans on January 26, 2013

      Do you all remember when this project began as an attempt to make superior lockpicks to those available on the market? Schyuler Towne's pitch to all of us was that he could make BETTER lock picks. Since then:

      1.) He spent the money on himself.
      2.) He became a minor celebrity within lockpick circles.
      3.) He attended conferences, got a book deal and focused on other things other than his lock picks project.
      4.) Then he either had a real nervous breakdown or feigned it. We'll never know the truth.
      5.) And some of his buddies bailed him out...by making ordinary, run-of-the-mill lockpicks.

      And to this day we're told the problem was that he couldn't handle the level of success. However, I work in manufacturing. This is a load of crap. More money and more orders allows one to scale...and scale makes manufacturing easier, not harder.

      None of us intended to back a multi-year boondoggle. Unless Schuyler Towne is declared mentally incompetent in a court of law he's still legally responsible to do this project properly. And instead we're getting his friends (who clearly are good people and motivated to help us...but are also incapable of delivering Schuyler's original promise.) who have spent months and are unable to get something that could be produced through three common manufacturing methods (stamping, water jet & acid etching) in a thousand factories across the globe.

      This project is brain-dead simple. I offered to help Schuyler many times (back when this was only a few months behind schedule...and before it became clear he was either a flake or a fraud.) And I made the steps clear back then:

      1.) Hire a Pro/E expert, preferably with a BSME or MSME, to take his illustrations and convert them into manufacture-ready Pro/E files. (approximate cost: $1,000.00 USD)
      2.) Hire a second Pro/E expert to verify files (approximate cost: $250.00 USD)
      3.) Solicit manufacturing facilities to produce prototypes (approximate cost: $1,000.00 USD.) In fact, if Schuyler went to TechShop (which has multiple locations across the country) he could have taken a waterjetting course and done this himself.
      4.) Hire a facility that specializes in metal finishing. A pebble-finish is probably all that's necessary. Anodization might harm the behavior of the metal. Therefore the final product would probably be bare metal. (approximate cost: $500.00)
      5.) Armed with the final prototypes that meet his approval and the Pro/E files Schuyler tours several companies capable of doing low-volume metal stamping. 1,159 backers is considered low volume. Particularly for a project like this.
      6.) Negotiate terms. Use bids from competing firms to reduce price.
      7.) Approve manufacturing. Stay in hotel and be on the factory floor for the 1-2 days it would take to manufacture these items.

      That's it. That's all that was needed to finish this project. The entire project could have been done at a leisurely pace in less than three months. Instead, 2.5 years have passed. Since this project was taken over by Schuyler's friends it could have been finished TWICE. In the 2.5 years since we funded Schuyler this project could have been completed FIFTEEN TIMES.

      And that is why I am angry and why any explanation is simply pathetic.

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      Creator Daniel Durante on December 25, 2012

      Have not received my packages yet, hope everything is OK and my address has changed guys, please check the survey response :)

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      Creator Riq on December 22, 2012

      Schuyler/Jason,

      I sent you guys and address update when you were shipping the practice kits and I never heard back from you, nor did I receive my practice kit. I've since sent you one more message to update my address and I've yet to hear back from you once again. I would still like to receive my practice kit, and I would most certainly like to receive my picks at my new address. Please, guys - check your messages and get back to your backers - it's only fair!

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      Creator Mark Rennick on November 21, 2012

      Well I got my practice kit today, (and have been playing with it all day....) Thanks!

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      Creator Threemoons on September 25, 2012

      Note that KS has now changed its requirements regarding the production of physical goods:

      http://www.kickstarter.com/blog/kickstarter-is-not-a-store

      Also, they seem to have tweaked the FAQs regarding accountability:

      http://www.kickstarter.com/help/faq/kickstarter%20basics#Acco

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      Creator coolstream on September 19, 2012

      Despite the address change I sent in the package was still sent to my previous address... Thankfully this was my parents house and I'm actually heading there soon so it turned out to be no big deal, but this is still a bit troubling. What steps should I take to ensure you have my most recent and updated address? Was there a specific format that the address change should have followed?

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      Creator PhillipG on September 18, 2012

      Got my box with 3 locks and glass jar with pins; are the picks coming?

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      Creator Rus Wetherill on September 8, 2012

      I have not received anything. My address has not changed. Any possibility I'll be seeing something before the two year anniversary of this project?

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      Creator Mark Rennick on September 8, 2012

      Can we have a list of who was sent a practice Kit? or a short list of those who have not been sent one? Better yet just tell me if one was sent to me, so that I can enjoy the anticipation.

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      Creator Brian Willis on September 5, 2012

      The most interesting part of their post on accountability is this - "Yes. Kickstarter's Terms of Use require creators to fulfill all rewards of their project or refund any backer whose reward they do not or cannot fulfill. (This is what creators see before they launch.) We crafted these terms to create a legal requirement for creators to follow through on their projects, and to give backers a recourse if they don't. We hope that backers will consider using this provision only in cases where they feel that a creator has not made a good faith effort to complete the project and fulfill."

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      Creator Brian Willis on September 5, 2012

      For everyone who was up in arms previously that their should be accountability, Kickstarter posted something about accountability on their blog after an interview on NPR. http://www.kickstarter.com/blog/accountability-on-kickstarter

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      Creator LocksmithArmy on September 3, 2012

      Espactal,
      you can contact me through either lp101 or keypicking or at locksmitharmy@gmail.com or through the clifflockpicks contact page... or youtube ;) im pretty easy to get ahold of... and to my knowledge im the only locksmitharmy... but I could be wrong... its possible i suppose... I do have a youtube video on the king and queens but no pix yet... im working on it... just been slacking this holiday weekend. http://www.youtube.com/watch…

      Threemoons...
      my numbers are based on the number of backers (at each level) multiplied by the ammount of picks promised each level... imagine the bulk of that comes from the $75 level which gets promised 20 picks... 589 backers multiplied by 20 picks is over 10,000 and that is only the 1 level... so I agree i doubt it will happen. but im happy to help in any way I can.

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      Creator Threemoons on September 3, 2012

      LocksmithArmy,

      I hope the board does get in touch with you, but given the real costs of actually getting picks out, I wouldn't hold my breath. If your numbers are accurate, there's no way short of a second round of Kickstarter funding that picks can get made.

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      Creator Epactal Claviger on September 1, 2012

      LocksmithArmy, What's your preferred method of communication outside of this Kickstarter? And do you have pictures of the King/Queen picks anywhere? While 9USD seems a bit steep for a pick, it'd be worth it if you're the same LocksmithArmy as has been posting on a few other lockpick sites/forums.

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      Creator LocksmithArmy on September 1, 2012

      I have sent an email to the board offering to use my processes to cut his design... i dont have a process to add handles yet though. But its a huge jump... while i have recieved no response yet, i can see their problem, even if it just costs them a few bucks a pick its still over 15000 picks that need to be cut... thats alot of money. Yeah he could use crappy metal and the same processes as other companies... but ull get the same results and have no better products... while 87000 seems like alot... what the people got was alot too... so he really needed all that money to put into development... ($3.50 x 15000 = 52500 , plus extra stock for the business and development costs and all the extras for the backers)

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      Creator Threemoons on September 1, 2012

      LocksmithArmy,

      VERY cool. Maybe you could team up with the new project team here and get Schuyler's picks made then? Again, once product goes out the door I would buy anything he designed pick-wise.

      Fabulous work. Keep it up.

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      Creator LocksmithArmy on August 31, 2012

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      Creator LocksmithArmy on August 31, 2012

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