No. We do not use either service. We mark down our projects and ensure backers get the product first as a reward for their increased risk and faith. After the Kickstarter project is complete the budget is complete and people can order the product when it is complete. Folks outside of the U.S will be able to order from Samjokopublishing.com when it is available. U.S residents will be able to order from Indie Press Revolution.