by Palladium Books
I am re-posting a comment suggesting ways to hold Palladium Books accountable for their lack of progress on this project.
File a consumer complaint with the FTC
File a consumer complaint with the Michigan Attorny General (since PB is based in MI):
File a complaint with the Michigan BBB:
Write a letter to Harmony Gold or post on their social media complaining about how badly PB has mismanaged the Robotech gaming license and how they are giving the brand a bad name.
And don't forget to hit the Report Kickstarter button at the bottom of the campaign page.
Full. Of. Shit.
That IS me being "respectful and considerate " by the way.
Took our money - ran like dogs.
It hasn't taken a very long time to fulfill this kickstarter. That would imply that it has been fulfilled, which it obviously never will be.
So which previous updates were lies and which were simply mistakes?
Hey, Kevin, I'll believe it when I'm holding it in my hand. Not an instant before.
4 years..!!!! wow that`s a life time ago...even if wave 2 came tomorrow i would not glue any of it... i did about 10 mechs and gave up on all the part count. They killed their own product, shot themselves in both feet etc.....and destroyed a gaming dream........
Nicholas - meeplemart.com
I've no hope for wave 2, which bums me a little since the super and armored VT's were what I looked forward to most. I backed this KS when I had barely turned 20. It's been four years. I was so excited for the game back then, and to a degree I still am. But I doubt I'll ever get them...
Well, I still need more VT's and really don't wanna give you any more money than I have already. So if anyone wants to unload their VT's message me on facebook and maybe we can work something out.
Hey fellow victims,
Our group collectively backed this project May 2013. Our original plan was to have RRT be a flagship game for our group.
We sold the wave one crap at the end of 2015 to a battle tech fan. Still think we lucked out on getting any return on this rip off kickstarter campaign.
Much like many of you, our group has backed other projects. Several things have changed in our lives. Like a few other of you, I've married, moved and changed jobs since this was relevant.
To Kevin & PB: We had been your faithful customers for over 15 years. We understood you're slow as molasses and were very patient. The lies, no-info, and long periods silence is ultimately what drove our group away.
Admission of failure would have kept a large portion of the backers that were previous customers. Then there was the blocking of me and our group on Facebook for voicing or concerns. We never threatened you or used curse words. Just listed facts and the way we felt... Betrayed.
Refunds for all the craptastic add ons you sold us on would be a nice start. Haha, like that's going to happen.
Texas Wargaming Coalition
I think most just view PB as liars and thieves at this point. It's pretty clear they have no plan and this was likely done to avoid blowback on upcoming PB related Kickstarters. Anyone with half a brain who had never done a miniatures project could have made a plan by now with concrete dates. Dozens of other companies smaller than PB have done it successfully. This is right up there with Return of the Dragon as one of the worst KS around. I've backed a ton of them an Kevin and PB take the cake in regards to poor communication and support. Let's not even talk about the gall to come and post stuff about unrelated books. Nobody cares. You took a TON of cash and have not produced results.
So, Kevin, still blowing smoke up our arses about your vaporware?
1. You cannot get the parts count down because you canned all of the work that ND used, which required modern professional molds, not the simplistic model molds used by the company you went with. Which explains why they "couldn't use" the working files from ND...they didn't have the capability to make high quality molds for wargames.
2. You have never moved on this project and should admit that the money is gone, which is why you keep delaying, because you are hoping for sales from massively delayed stuff you spent the KS money on to get published...instead of spending the KS money on producing the KS product.
3. All of your "minis" are actually massively reduced versions of old scale model kits.
You are a liar and a swindler, so give me my money back and I'll send these worthless POS "minis" back to your company at my own expense.
After all, if you not a liar and a swindler, and haven't blown all the KS money, then you will be happy to buy back these "great and glorious", "mouth watering" minis and starter boxes back from me so you can resell them to the poor people beating your door down for more and more and more of them! If not, you are a liar and a swindler.
I am reposting an earlier comment suggesting ways to hold Palladium Books accountable for their actions. I want to keep this at the top of the comments for as long as possible.
The only improvement I'm interested in is models that assemble in 4 pieces or less. I haven't even played the game once because the models are ridiculous to assemble.
Hire an engineer who understand minis and manufacturing and get this done and send it out.
I suspect the "Ghost Fleet Saga" other than being a ghost for a long time until it sees publication will really be a RPG document and nothing to do with RRT.
YU hate everything but RPG's Kev guy?
If it is not made of paper and ink it scare you bad?
Probably more the case that book / magazine printing is such low cost production (especially when you like to print without colour).
I wonder if my brother still has my Palladium RPG collection I gave to him.
Maybe I can convince him to burn them with me.
Then THAT would be the only time I would experience a warm feeling from Palladium for decades.
No, no, guys! You've taken this post totally the wrong way! This WAS the 2017 RRT release. See, PB is AHEAD of schedule - we waited til Sept 2016 for last year's release.
Oh, thank you so much Kevin and the entire crew at PB.
@Canis: I don't know how effective that would be. HG seems to be doing well enough dragging the IP on their own. Sentinels, Robotech 3000, Shadow Chronicles, Robotech Academy. . .
@Palladium Books: Given that it's currently Chinese New Years, does this update mean you're no longer looking at China for production of Wave 2? Given the timeline it took to produce and get Wave 1 from overseas, how do you expect to have Wave 2 by the end of this year when you don't have a manufacturer/factory time yet?
Maybe if everybody tweeted @RobotechNews asking if HG was ok with Palladium dragging their IP through the mud.
"A lot of people have been submitting address changes. Excellent! Please, keep those address changes coming in. Thank you."
Haha, said with such excitement just like the Christmas Surprise Packages responses that you guys make up. I'm just waiting to see something like - "People sure are loving the new address changes, here's a comment from a loyal address changer in Pensatucky..."
Dear Kevin: You are obviously not sorry enough.
You took our money, delayed till now and do not even have the courtesy to give ANY explanation or detail of the ridiculously long delay.
I think we can all agree that JUST GETTING THE PARTS never mind part-count down is the issue. Focus your "efforts" appropriately.
The truly stunning show of bad taste is spending more than half of your hard to get text on ADVERTISING PRODUCT THAT IS NOT PART OF THIS KICKSTARTER!!! I truly do not like you as a businessman and a person. Will it help at all to say you know where you can stuff that new product of yours?
BTW: Didn't you guys get in "trouble" for doing this kind of advertising before?
You really have no idea just how bad a "venue" this is right? Show efforts in other things than the RRT wave2 will only enrage (like the Rifts KS), not get the purchases you want.
Never mind that you mainly beg/borrow/come-to-an-agreement-for-trinkets content like you are flogging now which can still be readily found on the net. With all due respect: you can get lost until you have some concrete product that we are owed not try to get more "chump" money out of us.
PB product always seems to rely on the "pre-purchase" since you so rarely deliver and the final product is so amateur in nature compared to any half competent product out there you would not survive the reviews.
You know, I picked up a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle game AFTER the kickstarter (I have you guys to thank for my new spending habit). It was made rather well. I am so happy to see a license YOU USED TO HAVE that is being put to use correctly: unlike with you hacks.
Maybe Harmony Gold as a last gasp may find someone willing to have a proper go with it.
It is obvious that almost anyone can do better.
The letters to Harmony Gold and leaning on them may be the more effective means.
You guys have used an IP I like a great deal for little more than toilet tissue.
And then spout a wall of text like above.
You remind me a bit of a line in Macbeth:
RRT's "but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more: it is a tale
Told by an idiot (guess who), full of sound and fury,
I appreciate another lame non-update
Please crawl back into whatever hole and try coming up with an update with tangible substance.
This is not an update, this is blowing smoke up backers asses to be seen to have some PB activity on KS. Please, either shit or get off the pot but stop giving these nonsense updates with no substance to them. Either give us Wave 2 or admit its never happening and give us MSRP refunds. If this means PB have to fall on their swords to do so then so be it. You sow the wind, you reap the whirlwind.
Here are some photos from my recent game at the Running GAGG convention.
It doesn't matter any more, Kevin. You have run this program so poorly, I have given up even trying to describe my frustration with this entire thing. I can't even sell my copy of HALF this damned game to attempt to make up the loss on my end. And IF I get Wave 2, I'm sure I'm not going to be able to sell it either. No one cares about this game. No one WANTS this game. Most of us, honestly, just want a refund and to be done with it. You ran this project like you run your business: Poorly. You continually hawk the wares of an inferior and out-dated pen-and-paper game that only the most die hard of your fans want (probably with the money you made off of this KS) in your emails. You continually promise big updates and big news regarding this game, but so far we've just BARELY received half of it. I just hope your company sinks. You don't deserve the kind of loyalty you have. You don't deserve the fan base that rallied to make this game a reality to sit here and be supportive, or for us to forgive you for this perpetual delay. You just deserve to have your business disappear and become less than irrelevant. And if I o happen to get W2 and still have W1, and no takers, I just might have to make a really sweet video showcasing some creative ways to destroy this massive waste of my money and time.
@Alex they won't send you an email, but you will still get the update in your updates section of the website here.
I've turned off notifications for some of the things I backed as they send out way too many updates after the projects were finished.
Give us our refunds. You've taken too long, this game is dead.
Here's a funny idea. Stop making up more things to work on. Knuckle down and finish the things you already promised to do.
To be honest, I don't care at all about any other game. I care about this one. I backed this game and it's not done yet. Maybe focus all of your time on that and stop pitching anything else. I'd like to see concrete proof that things are moving forward, otherwise it's just a bunch of nothing still.
Ghost Fleet Saga is a totally PB project that KevS hopes will be sooo big that Harmony Gold is force to create an anime or something and make KevS a bunch of money. The idea may have come from KevS's home RPG campaign.
Again empty promises with no concrete information. Nothing new.
ghost fleet saga is sourced from PB. It is their new RPG book line and scenario book for RRT
What is the Ghost Fleet Saga? Did Harmony Gold do it as comic books or novels? I am unfamiliar with what's being discussed. Anybody know the source material?
The depths of your sincerity Kevin, are not something I'm going to comment on. In regards to this update, they are really of little matter, whichever way they lie.
What this update comes down to (as Jamie Herbert has pointed out already) is one word. If.
If. Small word, but has big consequences. If whatever you've got in the works actually works out, 2017 will be a great year. If. What if not?
If is a gambler's word. If this comes thru, then I'm set. Great if it does, what if not?
If is a powerful word in logic. "If>then" statements can solve almost any problem posted to them if you take them out far enough. If A, then B. If B, then C. Therefore if A, then C. Etc. But what if that "If" turns out to be a "no"?
What are the chances your big "If" really for working out? 98%? 15%? Whatever they are, they certainly aren't 100%.
What seriously have you done to allow for the "If NOT" possibility? I don't say "crapping it out" should be your plan B, but do you seriously have a plan B? C? D? Some combination?
Honesty and regular postings will take you much farther than a "Keep those imaginations burning bright" speech. Because right now I'm imagining a Unicorn shitting rainbows all over your desk. His name is Mr. Windy, and he likes having his mane combed, eating Granny Smith apples, a warm stable with fresh hay to sleep in, and shitting rainbows all over your desk.
That is "If" I imagine him. If.
ps. Quit trying to sell me on some other game. I've voted with my money on which one I want to see. Get to it.
@stephan s. There is no way in hell they'll throw us a free book.
@pb. Nice try. You may want to try showing progress to get people back on your side. For the last several updates here you have not done that. I noticed you aren't showing up at adepticon this year. I dropped by your booth there the last 2 years and was ignored each time so why would I buy your products?
So, will backers be given free PDF copies of these books; or some free models when they come out? It'd be the least you could do; given all the issues. Time to mend some fences I think.
I am reposting an earlier comment suggesting ways to hold Palladium Books accountable for their actions. I want to keep this at the top of the comments for as long as possible.
Wow Kevin, that's the best you could come up with? This was your last chance to come clean about the true status of this project and reveal any actual work that may have been done in order to calm the masses before kiting your next project with Kickstarters blessing. The fact that you continue to lie to us and refuse to share ANY factual information PROVES this project is dead and has turned the majority of the backers against you. Continuing with the same crap of 'totally secret big things are in the works for real' rings so laughably hollow when read for the thousandth time it simply rekindles rage which will now be directed at warning other backers away from your new project. Your sorry alright, sorry you've done NOTHING on this project for the last three years and now have nothing to show for it at the eleventh hour on the eve of the launch of your new project.
See you over in the new comments section.
IF? This goes through we should have it by the end of 2017? And when it doesn't then what? Imagine if you had just gotten the job done originally. You could have had a profitable line of games and products. You could have had social media and forums filled with fans discussing the finer points of the game rather than accusations of mismanagement of funds and complaints of how nothing has been done prompting you to kick fans (your paying customers mind you) off of your forums and social media. I am going to be honest. YOU killed RRT. Nothing short of a different company starting fresh will see gamers playing a minis game based on the robotech series. Sorry, it's the truth the well has been sufficiently poisoned.
Not one date. Not one concrete deliverable. Not a single photo of molds or the like. Just more BS.
No this is Kevin stringing us along as there is no money left for Wave 2 or refunds
The full Palladium weelky update is a hoot, not only this non event, but an impassioned plea to support the Rifts BG KS or Carmen and his family could be thrown out onto the streets. Yeh the same carmen who was the lead designer for RTT and now seems to want to deny it at every chance he gets.
Love it, not a single word of support not a single Uncle Kev fan boy popping up in the comments below. Quite a change from a few years ago. Palladium has done an excellent job of completely destroying its fan base for this project.
Give us our refunds, it's been long enough. There's no money for you to be made here. No one is going to buy more RRT expansions, sourcebooks or little art post cards or whatever other crud you come up with. Its dead, time to be a man and realize it. Seriously, we're do you think this is going? What legacy will you leave behind? Palladium is a joke in pen n paper like Derek Smart is in video games. You could change that but you don't, so all of us here are along for the ride and watching the train wreck unfold over the years...
"More sorry than some of you may be able to imagine."
I'm sorry, but you don't get to dictate how I feel about this whole fiasco.
Thanks for the update! Now I feel inspired to finish building all my stretch rewards from Wave 1.
I have not paid attention to this KS for a long time, but with the latest update I took another look at what I spent (over $600!) and decided it was time to take action. Below are things each backer can do to try to put pressure on PB. If we do this in mass, maybe we can get something to happen.
Woo hoo! It's the quarterly "we have absolutely no progress to show and nothing of substance to say" update! Do they not realize we can tell there's nothing going on here?
@ Scarlet - hey, I'd still consider 'terrible monocast pieces out of boardgame quality plastic' an improvement over the 'nothing' that we seem most likely to actually get!