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Update #27

Behind The Scenes #4: Practical Tests, Sensor Sensitivity & Packaging

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Hi Backers!

We've got some sweet stuff lined up for you in today's update. While the factories are chugging away at the initial batch of 12.000 Thermodos, we're testing sensitivity and pushing the software further. Let's dive right into it. Here's a new Behind The Scenes episode for you (it has frozen thermodos in it):

In this episode the team demonstrates a range of practical tests of the sensor to show off the sensitivity. We discuss the nature of temperature measurements, microclimates and the state of the hardware/software integration. Finally we unveil the packaging for Thermodo.

If you have missed any of our videos, we've collected them all in a cool little channel here for easier viewing and catching up.

Progress Report: Hardware 

We're getting several reports per week on the status of the various manufacturing stages. Let's run through some of the current things going on. The aluminium housings are all 100% complete and the two separate processes for the regular and the Premium Thermodos have started. The painting of the regular Thermodos will go quicker than the anodizing and engraving of the Premium Thermodos (which is a painstakingly slow process).

A lot of different components have started to arrived at the factory. Here you see the jacks & the keyrings.

But not everything has been a smooth ride. We've had our SMD components stuck in Shenzen airport for a few days, due to a Chinese national holiday causing a backlog in DHL shipping. Nothing major, but it has pushed back the processes associated with those components.

Below you see the mounting tools we've build that is used to hold the PCB's and the audiojacks in place for soldering.

We're currently working on a series of test-jigs for the factory to use in the final electric test of the assembled Thermodos. Apart from the minor hiccup in shipping, everything else is on track. We're trying to get more video and pictures out of China, but it's not easy. We'll obviously keep everybody informed as the mass manufacturing progresses.

Progress Report: Software

The companion app for iOS has completely blossomed these past few weeks, and have really helped us define the look and feel of the digital side of Thermodo. We're using the additional time to enhance the experience and overcome some of the communication challenges associated with such a sensitive little piece of equipment. We've put together a few animations that show you how the current build of the Companion app is shaping up (If you're reading this from an email, you might need to visit the actual update page to see these). Here's how our menu system works right now:

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A wonderfully fluid experience. And below is what it looks like when you plug in Thermodo. Notice the wavy visualization displaying activity and indicating the trend of the temperature measurement change.

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A lot of thought and effort has gone into the visualization, and it makes the most sense when you're actually holding it in your hand. The idea is that we're using a suite of different visual indicators to communicate the measurements coming from Thermodo. When the line is almost still, slow and grey, the temperature measurement has stabilized, meaning that the temperature of the sensor and the temperature of the environment is the same. When there's a change in the environment you'll see this wonderful graph spring to life and the color, speed, inclination and wave-depth will help indicate how fast the change is happening. It's hard to explain, but there's something really satisfying about seeing the graph slowly wobble down and the background clearing up once it has stabalized to it's surroundings.

We're still playing around with a few other helpful tools, but we'll go more in-depth with that in the next update. For now though, the companion app is starting to become really exciting.

We're obviously still at the mercy of manufacturing, but everything is starting to come together. We're pushing China to send us a limited shipment as soon they come off the final assembly line. Once we have those we'll be able to wrap up the software integration, get approved by Apple and hand over some Thermodos to developers so they can start building their own Thermodo implementation. Until then, we'll continue to keep everyone informed as this massive project starts seeing the light at the end of the tunnel.

As always, thanks for following along! 

- Your team in Copenhagen

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      Creator trevor harbin on October 27

      I have honestly got to say guys, this is truly amazing. Thank you for being so up front and honest with us. I hope to see more projects I can back in the future :)

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      Creator Michael LaBella on October 26

      The way it looks, based on the fact that you should receive the 0-series production sometime in the middle of November, we shouldn't expect to receive our Thermodos during 2013. And that's only if that 0-series passes all the QC etc. Disappointing & frustrating to say the least.

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      Creator DUFIS on October 25

      please when i receive my thermodo?????

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      Creator Robocat on October 22

      @Hadleigh Production is progressing as planned, we should receive the 0-series production within the next 2-3 weeks and that will be the next major milestone. The completion of the entire first run is still too early to call. We've got some really sweet video out of China that we're preparing for the next update.

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      Creator Hadleigh on October 20

      How is the production progressing over the last week? Things moving swiftly? Looks like we might be receiving our Thermodo's in a month or so right?

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      Creator Robocat on October 20

      @Matthew McCourt We're still working out the details, but the package you see here will most likely go into a bubble wrap envelope - so they should be protected.

      @Jonathon J. Tulling We won't have any large reserves at the office. They'll be shipped from central shipping centers around the world, so that's a no.

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      Creator Matthew McCourt on October 17, 2013

      Does the packaging have some form of protection to prevent the Thermodo from being crushed while in transit? Since it seems so small, I would be afraid that it might be easily crushed without some form of cushion in the package.

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      Creator Jonatan J. Tulling Christensen on October 17, 2013

      Er der en chance for at man kan komme og hente den hos jer før tid? så slipper i også for at sende den :)

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      Creator Robocat on October 17, 2013

      @Kevin Yup, it's pre-ordering through thermodo.com

      @Adam Farden We've build a special tool to do exactly just that. Getting the keyring on without damaging the surface treatment :)

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      Creator Alex Dearden on October 16, 2013

      Great stuff, keep up the good work. The only thing I would suggest is to replace the line in the temperature animation. You have a lovely flat design and then a 3D ish-looking cord with a shadow that seems out of place. I think something flatter would look better, other than that, loving the look.

      Flatso Flatly.

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      Creator Kevin on October 16, 2013

      Is there any way to order additional thermodos?

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      Creator Adam Farden (deleted) on October 15, 2013

      I was wondering how are you getting the keyring on without damaging the paintwork? Those things are pretty tight sometimes, I nearly always scratch the thing I'm attaching to them.

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      Creator Hadleigh on October 15, 2013

      @Pisan never really had my postal service submerge my mail in water before where do you live haha? I think the packaging they currently have would be fine

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      Creator Pisan Kulkaew on October 14, 2013

      Hi guys, if the thermodos are not waterproof then wouldn't it be sensible for the packaging to be waterproof??? you really need to consider the worse case scenario when the postal services submerged the package into water accidentally or perhaps it's raining after the postman dropped it in front of our houses. Please reconsider the packaging.

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      Creator Robocat on October 14, 2013

      @Collin Patrick O'Malley & James Turney. Officially, we can't guarantee that Thermodo is waterproof (it is glued together after all) We've had no problems submerging the ones we have (as you can see) but if you choose to do so, it's on your own ;)

      @Michael DePersio It's actually a good point. What is happening in this shot is a bit misleading - one of the Thermodos have just been handled and that particular iPhone is radiating more heat because it's been on longer - which gives the discrepancy. It highlights some interesting challenges, but it doesn't come across very well in the video as it's just showing two Thermodos next to each other.

      @Justin It was actually just the other way around. iOS has always been the focus (we are apple developers, after all) and Android support came in a stretch goal. That being said, we are very dedicated to bringing you an Android app and we've got some very talented people working on that. We'll share more on this as it progresses.

      @Oliver Hayman We use regular 4-pin audio jacks, and any extension cable should do.

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      Creator JD on October 14, 2013

      Actually Justin it was always fully IOS supported. It wasn't until the stretch goal of $125K that it gained a dedicated Android Thermodo app.

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      Creator Mark Frazer on October 14, 2013

      @Michael Depersio
      I'm sure little things, like one Thermodo blocking the wind from hitting the other, and little things like the heating impact of one Thermodo being closer to the other iPhone so that the heat that is created from touching the other iPhone impacts the other Thermodo, make that little difference

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      Creator James Turney on October 14, 2013

      Was it just me, or did I see a Thermodo in some iced water? If so, are they waterproof!? Now that would be cool!!

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      Creator Justin on October 14, 2013

      I am starting to be very concerned with all the talk about iOS software as that was supposed to be an afterthought and Android was supposed to be the forefront for this device. Please do not lose sight of the main focus.

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      Creator Robert de Groot on October 14, 2013

      Godt arbejde gutter.

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      Creator ABProved on October 14, 2013

      Hope there will be an support for Weather Pro...like Netatmo
      I want one Weather app who solves my needs.
      Would be great...get in contact with them....a benefit for both companies

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      Creator Michael DePersio on October 14, 2013

      I'm slightly disturbed to see two Thermodos (Thermodii?) a few centimeters apart (at 6:57 in the BTS Video 4) and show a 3.5 degree difference in temperature.

      Are you doing any controlled calibration tests?

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      Creator Markus Werner on October 14, 2013

      I am absolutely impressed by your detailed updates. When you finally ship the Therodo, I will miss these interesting documentation of your great work.

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      Creator Collin Patrick O'Malley on October 14, 2013

      I absolutely love these updates! The dedication you guys have to this product and backers is commendable and would love to see more follow in your footsteps! I saw the Thermodo in a glass of water. With extension, is the Thermodo waterproof?

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      Creator Oliver Hayman on October 14, 2013

      Does Thermodo use a balanced audio jack to keep external noise reduced in extension cables?

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      Creator Michael LaBella on October 14, 2013

      @Talal Alhaiky I'm guessing the answer to your question is: http://thermodo.com/

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      Creator Talal Alhaiky on October 14, 2013

      I already ordered 2 thermodo in my original order. Can I increase it to 3 now? Or that's not possible?

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      Creator Robocat on October 14, 2013

      Thanks guys, we really couldn't pull this off without you and your positive attitudes!

      @Michael LaBella
      From what we know, there's no hard limit to the length of the extension cable. As long as it can effectively carry an audio signal it should be good.

      @terry By "On track" we mean that nothing major has disrupted the current mass production. The lack of a specific public shipping date doesn't mean that we don't have our own internal leadtimes and milestones for the many stages of the project we're moving through. But to answer your question, with no apparent issue on our desks, we're pretty confident you'll have this before 2014.

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      Creator IS on October 14, 2013

      Incredible update. This is how it's done. KS needs to feature this project for the updates and videos alone. We're getting much more than a product - we're in the backseat watching innovation unfold. That's a unique experience all by itself and people need to sit back, relax and appreciate the journey.

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      Creator terry (Eye Toldyoosso) on October 14, 2013

      hi

      what dose this mean...

      "Apart from the minor hiccup in shipping, everything else is on track."

      what track,,,,,,,,,, is there any time frame for anything?

      can you answer the question ,,,will we get this before 2014 ?

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      Creator Michael LaBella on October 14, 2013

      @Calvin *cough* LIFX *cough*

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      Creator Michael LaBella on October 14, 2013

      Guys and Gals, thanks for the update. I am even more excited to receive this product. Seeing it in action is great. Being able to see the obvious level of sophistication and thoughtfulness that has gone into every aspect of this product is fun to be a part of. I love how green the packaging is. I also love the fact that we won't need hardcore cutting tools to get into the packaging. Great job all around.

      While this video answered a question I had regarding the use of an extension cord for measuring temps in locales other than where the idevice or android device is located it does bring up another question. Do you know of any limitations to the length of the extension that can be used before any loss of accuracy. I'm guessing that there shouldn't be but I'm no expert. Thanks again for the update.

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      Creator Calvin on October 14, 2013

      You guys are a great example of how to keep backers informed.
      I know some other projects that can learn a thing or two from you guys.
      Keep up the good work!

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      Creator Justin Barley on October 14, 2013

      Tough love for Android. You Apple fan boyz!

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      Creator Adam R on October 14, 2013

      LOL, I had to post same question about Android app.

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      Creator Robocat on October 14, 2013

      @Andrew No official shipping dates yet. It's still too early in the manufacturing process to make that call.

      @Brad & Carters No worries, Android app is also coming along we've got a top team on it. ;)

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      Creator Andrew Carr on October 14, 2013

      Maybe I missed it but when you say everything is on track when might you expect to ship? Keep up the great work and thanks for the updates.

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      Creator CartersFARM on October 14, 2013

      LOL - Brad beat me to the question! - "how's the Android app coming along"?

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      Creator Brad Kilshaw on October 14, 2013

      This post only mentions the iPhone app. Android is coming too, right...?

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