by Restoration Games
Hi! All base game copies for retailers will include a "Thank You" Map? Right?
Will stores in Canada be receiving product before distribution does? I'm doing the math and for expansions it doesn't seem to work out very favourably price wise compared to the pre-order price from Universal and Lion Rampant. Is there a benefit to retailers for getting the expansions direct. I understand base games are a different story as they come with some exclusive content, but the expansions do not, correct?
I second the question on shipping costs for sleeves. For 3 packs of 200 sleeves, that's $15 shipping, $5 per pack, which is $6.5 CAD, factoring the price of the sleeves and shipping, we're looking at $40 per pack of sleeves which is kind of bonkers
All base game copies will include Treasure Trove for retailers?
Shipping (within US) is USD10 per set of 3 extras incl painted minis and sleeves. While I understand the painted minis do take up volumetric shipping space, but sleeves? Paying USD10 for a set of 3 sleeves add-on (retailer) seems a lot, no?
@Rick - Correct. (To clarify further, you will have all unlocked free stretch goals and the option to buy the add-ons, which are not free.)
Just to clarify, if we back the KS as a retailer, all copies we buy will include all unlocked stretch goals. Then if we purchase more through regular distribution, those copies will not have any such goals. Correct?
Message me with your website. I'll let you know if I need anything else.
What kind of information do I need to provide to "say" that I am retailer?
IMPORTANT - I received a question directly that I want to answer here and are additional basic terms of the retailer pledge level.
Retailer backers may NOT offer the game for preorder online during the campaign, i.e., before May 4th.
Retailer backers may NOT offer the game for preorder at prices lower than the pledge levels for individual backers.
@Jamie - that’s the plan. We just can’t guarantee it. The street date is tentatively planned for Black Friday. Our current production schedule has the games getting to backer prior to that. Until we get further along in production, we can’t go Vera specific delivery date.
@Davide - this only applies to retailers backing at the retailer level.
@Andrew & Adrian - I’d like to keep this update focused on providing retailer information. I will respond in the general comment section tomorrow.
@Andrew Griffiths: +1
I have to say I feel somewhat bummed over this update. I think it's great that retailers that pledge get a better price than through the regular distribution channels. They are supporting the game after all. But this is a joke. They don't even have to pay until delivery, contributing nothing to stretch goals, and leaving the real economic risk on us regular backers. Meanwhile, we get 10-20 % off MSRP, while they get 50 %?
@Restoration Games: Please explain to me why this doesn't suck… :(
I'm not a retailer yet this post has opened up a few questions about the Board Game industry as a whole...
1) Why do suppliers charge retail 50% of what the customer pays in a Kickstarter? Surely the purpose of a Kickstarter is pretty much to create your own retail channel? I obviously understand why the retail need that price to survive but what's in it for a successful Kickstarter?
2) Assuming the answer is to create a down chain after the Kickstarter but why are you limiting it to bricks and mortar only? Seems quite a short sighted view?
3) If you can afford to only charge retailers 50% then surely the Kickstarter is overpriced and the 'investors' aren't really getting a deal. I get the economies of scale, but Minimum order for retail is only 3 copies. Whats in it to offer the retailer the discount rather than letting people club together and buy 3 copies between them for the same rate - the economies to you the producer are surely the same...
It's quite possible with this model for me as a backer to get this game cheaper, with stretch goals at retail later due to a sale etc with the retailer and supplier being happy, so what's the incentive to continue to back?
Not trying to antagonise or anything here, just trying to understand the rationale and how the industry works...
When you say "You will need to order a minimum of 3 copies of the base game" what does that mean? I've already placed a "feel the burn" pledge and actually I need only one copy of the base game. Am I forced to order 3 copies?
I think we need some clarity on the Street Date comment.
Normally, Kickstarter backers, retail stores included, get product a bit before it goes into distribution, to start to generate buzz. As an example, I just recieved Zombicide Green Horde for my customers yesterday, 2 weeks before street date. A significant part of the value proposition to back Kickstarter games is early access.
@Massimo - no. We are selling those at cost. But keep in mi d those won’t be going into regular distribution at all. You are welcome to mark them up as you,see fit. We will sell in our website and at conventions and will be sure to mark up accordingly so as not to undercut our retailer backers.
No discount on the optional buys?
Yes. Yours will ship with the other backers, which will likely be earlier and definitely won’t be later than the street date, which is the date it will start selling through regular distribution.
no discount on the optional buys?
When you say “the street date” what does that mean? I presume our copies are being shipped at the same time as other backers.