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2nd Round Samples, New Spec Sheets & PAXU

Posted by Quality Beast (Creator)
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Hey everyone! We hope you’ve had a great November so far. It’s continued to be busy for us but we are becoming increasingly excited because of the progress we’re making on Seize the Bean. Let’s dive right in to not waste time.

When we say “factory samples” we are referring to the components of the game which are not made in an offset printer. This includes the wood bits (meeples), the resin bits (resources), and some of the more specialty items like the scoop and fabric bags.

At SPIEL18 our manufacturer literally hand-delivered the second round of samples to us and we were floored. They were amazing! See for yourself below.

Here you can see 5 out of the 6 meeple colors. The last two are from the 5-6 player expansion. We increased the size and shape of the meeples and we are in general 100% happy with them.

Meeple fronts.
Meeple fronts.
Here is the fixed back print too.
Here is the fixed back print too.

Our only issue with the meeples is the color distinction between these two shades (see below). They look almost identical. Therefore we’re playing with a different color for one of them. (If you are interested, you can see our proposed color in the spec sheet which we’ve linked at the end of this section of the update.)

Hard to tell them apart, right?!
Hard to tell them apart, right?!

The beans are perfect. We’re calling these done and we are very happy with the result! The one thing we are doing is trying to see if we can put about 25 more beans into the 5-6 player expansion and/or seeing if we can have some extra beans added as a loose purchase (some backers had asked for this in the past). The game comes with more than enough beans but we do realize some folks may want more to play with (mostly for fun factor).

Delicious, delicious beans!
Delicious, delicious beans!

We’ve got the same thing to say here with the green beans: no changes, they’re just perfect. Though we do realize y’all may be wondering what these are for. We’ll just keep you wondering for now though... ;)

What could these be for???
What could these be for???

The milk is also perfect. We have no changes. (But if you didn’t get to see these in-person we can already say they are quite heavy and feel terrific in-hand.)

Got milk? We do! :)
Got milk? We do! :)

With the five-value milk we weren’t sure about the color as we chose it specifically to help for colorblind players. That may be working (at least in our preliminary testing it is), but we were having trouble to thematically place what burgundy milk would be. At SPIEL, some very awesome backers suggested it was chocolate milk. We love that idea and we’re gonna run with it so the next step is to play with the color a bit and see what we get, making sure it stays colorblind friendly of course. (If you want to see our ideas jump down to the spec sheet downloads and let us know what your thoughts are on our two variations.)

Chocolate milk, of course – why didn’t we think of that?!
Chocolate milk, of course – why didn’t we think of that?!

Let’s just start by saying the sugar cubes are far better than we ever expected. We are extremely pleased with Panda’s work (that’s our manufacturer and in case we haven’t said it before it’s very much worth giving them and the fabulous Joe Wiggins – our account manager / manufacturing wizard – a shout-out for their endlessly solid work) and honestly we would be happy to call these final. There are some points to raise in the sake of transparency: the bottoms are flat and not textured, the cubes in general look a bit “wet”, and overall they could be slightly more white. We aren’t going to attack any of these topics, though. For starters, the way the silicon molds are made for the game’s resin pieces require that at least one side of a component must be flat. While this may cut down on the illusion of the pieces it’ll raise the safety of people recognizing they are not real sugar cubes. For the comments about the “wet” look, we do agree, however asking the factory to adjust this would lose the sparkle effect the sugar cubes have. We greatly value this effect and we want to keep it for sure. Lastly, yes, we as a team do want a bit more white in the cubes. However, based on time we don’t want to mess around. The color process is not an exact science due to the translucency of these pieces. It’s possible we’d request a bit more white and it’d be far too white and we’d lose another few weeks having to do a fourth round sample. We’re not willing to risk that timeline hit for you all. Thus, we are proud to say our sugar cubes are final!

In our opinion these exceeded our wishes and came out better than our original 3D printed versions!
In our opinion these exceeded our wishes and came out better than our original 3D printed versions!

We have generally the same notes here, but instead of a bit more white we (being perfectionists) would be into seeing these slightly more brown and slightly less orange. Once again though, it’s not worth the time or risk and we do strongly believe all of you are going to be delighted upon receiving these as is.

No comment needed; these are lookin' delicious!
No comment needed; these are lookin' delicious!

Hilariously enough we had trouble getting the right scoop at first (due to its volume not being correct) and now the scoop that our manufacturer has provided is literally the scoop we were prototyping with, just in another color (black, which we prefer). Since we can’t make a custom scoop this is the best possible thing that could go in the game and we are quite pleased.

The final scoop for the game!
The final scoop for the game!
Here’s a pic of the what it looks like with the scoop in the bean bag.
Here’s a pic of the what it looks like with the scoop in the bean bag.

And finally, we are able to unveil the resource bags, starting with the faux burlap sack for beans. All of the bags have really terrific materials, especially the very nice inner linings, and their drawstrings are well done. We’re not even going to show the silk-screened versions, partially because we forgot to photograph them but also mainly because it was immediately obvious that embroidery was the way to go. There is literally nothing to change about this bag, it’s perfect!

High quality, sits great and stores the beans well.
High quality, sits great and stores the beans well.
The bag even closes perfectly and we now use it 100% of the time to store all of the beans for fast clean up and setup of our current prototype.
The bag even closes perfectly and we now use it 100% of the time to store all of the beans for fast clean up and setup of our current prototype.

Milk and sugar bags are a slightly different story. A lot of people asked questions about sizing and while we did do testing for the right size to comfortably scoop beans and grab milk and sugar, we weren’t able to do embroidery or closing tests. Now that we have these, we can, and we found out that there are some issues. First, the embroidery overlapping with the drawstring stitching is a problem for us. We definitely don’t want that, it looks quite messy. Second, while these are truly the perfect size to reach in for resources, they both have issues closing, due to volume, especially if you have the expansion (which adds some extra milk and sugar). The main fix for this is just to make all bags the same size as the bean bag. This solves all of the problems. Except one: the milk bag material is still too thick to close as best as it could. Therefore, we’ll be grabbing a new sample from the factory of both the milk and sugar bags in faux velvet but in two different colors. This should fix all of our bag issues and get these to a final state!

We loved this material but it just doesn't seem viable for the functionality of the bag (see next photo).
We loved this material but it just doesn't seem viable for the functionality of the bag (see next photo).
This photo might not completely show it, but with this thicker material it's a bit hard to get the bag completely closed.
This photo might not completely show it, but with this thicker material it's a bit hard to get the bag completely closed.
The sugar bag, on the other hand, doesn't have any material issues at all...
The sugar bag, on the other hand, doesn't have any material issues at all...
...it closes very easily but could use a resizing to give it some more room (as you can see pictured here).
...it closes very easily but could use a resizing to give it some more room (as you can see pictured here).

The player bags are great too, and happen to work well as a protective layer for the First Player and Next First Player resin pieces. Our only issue is that the inner lining has a stitching right at the center of the bottom of the bag making it almost unusable for storing resources like beans. Of course we’re working on fixing this in the next round of samples.

Quick shot of a player resource bag.
Quick shot of a player resource bag.

Onto the Snack Pack (and yes, we know many of you are eager to hear exactly how this can be used and we’ll answer this in more detail soon, we have some fun surprises to share coming up) and the first piece to talk about is the Moka Pot which represents High Quality Coffee. This is perfect except one minor detail: we want the metallic effect applied in a way that it doesn’t appear on the black parts. Likely this is just adjusting the order in which the parts are painted and we are waiting for a final sample.

These are super fun to use to mark which customer you are currently serving in your line!
These are super fun to use to mark which customer you are currently serving in your line!

The piece representing Strong Coffee needs the most work. We basically want to create a whole new sculpt. Our manufacturer did a great job representing the sketches we sent them but we just aren’t happy with how it’s coming out. Therefore we’ve completely redesigned this piece. With that said, we are happy with the top area where you see the beans and the scoop, we just want a more realistic and organic looking bag. (If you’re curious what our new model looks like, check out the spec sheets below!)

The team at Panda are killin' it but sometimes it's hard to get a sculpt just right.
The team at Panda are killin' it but sometimes it's hard to get a sculpt just right.

Finally we can share the Soy Bean representing Soy Milk and as far as we are concerned they are perfect. We all agree they are a tad bit small but again, the process of updating the molds is a risky one as it means they have to redo the whole thing and it could require another sample round past the third. For this reason we are happy with the current model and sticking with it!

These came out so good, we are very pleased with the results.
These came out so good, we are very pleased with the results.

The sculpt of the Croissant is quite nice but we have issues that the back of it is flat and not the bottom. As well, the coloring is a bit too saturated and feels very airbrush-like. Just like the Strong Coffee we’ve opted to do a new design for this one that more clearly shows the shape and coloring we want to hit and you can see this in the spec sheets below.

These are certainly close, but not quite where we want them yet.
These are certainly close, but not quite where we want them yet.

The donuts are amazing. Maybe one day we’ll do a blog post where we compare the first donut sample to these and we can all have a good laugh. But thankfully this is the outcome. The only things we raised with the manufacturer here was the fact that the bottom of the donut is completely flat and the center hole doesn’t go completely through (not visible in the photo, our apologies for that). These are not topics that are easy for them to do because of the way the molds are built so we’ve let these topics go. We believe you will all be super happy with the donuts as is.

One of our favorite pieces so far!
One of our favorite pieces so far!

The pie is also perfect. You can even make a pie with all six of them!

Yum, pie! :)
Yum, pie! :)

The resin First Player and Next First Player tokens are moving along great. Our only major change is that the Next First Player token is not completely empty, as we requested. We’re adjusting the spec sheet to make that more clear to the factory and waiting on a final sample.

If you haven't seen these in-person yet, you'll likely to love them. They are quite large and heavy in-hand.
If you haven't seen these in-person yet, you'll likely to love them. They are quite large and heavy in-hand.

A lot of you have asked for photos of the play mats with cards on them. Please see below. Our apologies these images aren't better, but it was the best we could provide whilst focusing on finishing the game. These are basically final (the art is for sure) but you might notice they could both use a bit more margin on the sides and if you look super close you’ll see a minor coloration issue in the first play mat’s good review spot. We’ll be sure to get these topics fixed up before we go to mass production.

This is the table cloth play mat design. Mario's favorite! :)
This is the table cloth play mat design. Mario's favorite! :)
And here it is with the game setup on it.
And here it is with the game setup on it.
And the wood tisch design as well.
And the wood tisch design as well.
And finally the wood tisch with the game setup on it!
And finally the wood tisch with the game setup on it!

Dang. That is a load of tasty components and we can honestly say we’d probably be happy if that was the third and final round of sampling. But it’s not, we have one more go at it and we’ve already submitted the new spec sheets to our manufacturer last week so we can expect the new samples coming soon! (We do not have an exact date for that but it should be within the next weeks, as planned, during our pre-production phase that ends approximately in mid-December).

Interested in seeing the spec sheets? Click one of the images below for a PDF download and everyone give a big shout out to the hardworking Pietro (that's our lightning fast graphic designer) and the healthily-recovering Mario (that's our amazing artist if you didn't know by now) for their hard work on finalizing these spec sheets.

Click this image to get a download of our latest spec sheets!
Click this image to get a download of our latest spec sheets!
Or, if you like, click this one for a slightly newer download and try to spot the variant! ;)
Or, if you like, click this one for a slightly newer download and try to spot the variant! ;)

The rest of design verification goes well. For those that do not know that term, that is the time in which we are preparing all the print files for our manufacturer and they are letting us know if things are technically correct. Pietro and Dylan (with Mario’s previous artwork completed) have begun getting all the print files to our manufacturer. We are happy to say that all files have been created though none of them are final yet. One of the key things we are doing now is finalizing the rulebook to be sent out for translation. We’re also starting to pump in your good and bad reviews to the punch boards. Here’s a teaser of the setup before doing so:

Example punchboard. The pink lines are to show the manufacturer where to cut. Remember: these are not final! We are still working out how all the bleed and margins need to be.
Example punchboard. The pink lines are to show the manufacturer where to cut. Remember: these are not final! We are still working out how all the bleed and margins need to be.
Here's an example shot of the backside too, just for fun. :)
Here's an example shot of the backside too, just for fun. :)

If you couldn’t make it to SPIEL or you missed us while you were there you’ll have another shot: Seize the Bean is a featured game at the First Look section next weekend at PAX Unplugged! Come by to give it a play or look for Dylan and Janna (the designer of another Quality Beast game, Quantified, estimated for Kickstarter in late 2019) floating around PAX. We’d love to meet you and say hi!

That’s it for now, we’ll be back with more info on the Milk Carton Deck Boxes (which are 100% done and on their way to our fulfillment centers) and some exciting videos in the next update. Take care everyone and happy gaming! :)

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    1. Quality Beast Creator
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      @gerraldo: Thank you for your feedback here. We agree that both sugar cubes could be tweaked to be really perfect. Our issue right now is how far is too far? We are already very delayed and pushing for "perfection" may not be what all backers want. You are right: we could do a poll, but the result would not end in a few weeks delay. It can take a week to get notes over to our manufacturer, then it can takes weeks on their side to get samples done. Then deliver to us, proofing, and if they don't nail it we have to repeat the process. Basically, we are being advised that it's pretty risky...

      That said: we *did* sneak in a final test of a variation on both sugar cubes. We'll share them in our next update.

      In the end, if we knew that 80% (or more) of our backers would agree with you then we'd be happy to do it. The only problem is that normally only about 1/6 of the backers even participate in the surveys we do (at best) so we are a bit afraid that a poll may create an untrue statistic.

      Any other ideas here, please don't hesitate to share them! :)

      And enjoy your holidays, everyone! <3

    2. Quality Beast Creator
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      @Ro: Apologies for our delayed response here (and to everyone else, as well) but it's been an incredibly busy last month for us!

      Currently, yes, the play mat should fit in the box. We say "should" because we are still doing final testing of all the components fitting in the box. The good news is that if things do not fit there is still time to adjust the final box size. Basically we've locked it down to a certain width and height but we can always tweak the depth if needed.

      We will certain post an update with photos of test components (and samples) fitting in a test box size as soon as this is the most important thing to do. Right now we are working very hard to get the print files past design verification so we can start printing these beauties for you all!

    3. Quality Beast Creator
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      @K4REL: Haha, but don't! Seize the Bean may be a delicious game but it surely is not edible! :D

    4. Quality Beast Creator
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      @Adam Brain: Thank you for saying so... we agree!

    5. Quality Beast Creator
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      @Waut Dooghe: Yes, they are over the top! We are very happy. Despite delays we are achieving exactly (if not beyond) what we hoped for and promised and we are very very excited. And, all of that said, these were only the second round samples in many cases. The third (and final) samples came in just a few days ago (in time for the holidays, yay!) and we are putting together our responses to our manufacturer and of course preparing an update to share with you all! :)

    6. gerraldo
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      Oh boy, all those stuff looks amazing! Just one thing... The "yellow" sugar cubes look like "cheese" to me. With all the resources being top notch, IMHO this will stick out much more then it really is.
      Why not make a poll?! I'd surely vote for a few weeks delay and the needed changes to make it (kinda) "perfect"! ;)

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      Ro
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      @Quality Beast:

      Just read through the campaign page again and figured out that the playmat is indeed cloth material, so that’s sorted. I also realised that in the description for it on the campaign page, it says “It is our intention for the playmat to fit inside the game box”. Can you please confirm if this is now definitely the case or not (i.e. playmat fitting inside the box)?

      Thanks!

    8. K4REL on

      My only concern is that I will eat the resources... 🤣

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      Adam Brain on

      All looks amazing. Cannot wait!

    10. Waut Dooghe
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      These components look over the top. Impressive

    11. Quality Beast Creator
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      @Frank Guerriero: Wow, thank you for saying this, it means a lot to us. As a team, we put in a lot of unseen hard work and we don't do it for the accolades but we still don't mind hearing that what we're doing is working from time to time. :)

    12. Quality Beast Creator
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      @Chris Conway: Haha, it is! You can adjust your order all the way until the end of the year. And we have not forgotten about the requests to help reduce shipping by adding in more stores. We are hard at work on this as well...

    13. Quality Beast Creator
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      @Pyhriel: Thanks for saying so, we feel exactly the same way!

    14. dilkROM Collaborator
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      @Dreamitdoit: Thanks for your input, I was pushing hard for a color change on the sugar cubes too but I am not sure it would be worth asking all of you to wait another 3-4 weeks which is what the risk would be. That seems far too high. Also, I will note that I took all of these photos and I'm certainly no professional so it's possible my color correction is a bit off. Apologies for this. If I were to describe the brown sugar cubes I would say they are a honey color. I don't know if I would call them yellow, but looking back at those photos I can see why you say that.

    15. Olivier Peter on

      Me too I'm a bit bothered by the yellow cube but it's not that big of a problem for me.
      @Ro: it's a player dual-layered board not a mat 😉

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      Dreamitdoit on

      I'm a bit bothered by the yellow cake uranium sugar cubes, but everything else, including your reporting, looks top notch. Thank you!

    17. Jess Turner
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      I am so freaking glad I jumped in on this campaign!! Everything looks fantastic and this is going to be both a ton of fun and awesome to look at. 😊

    18. Eric Nivala
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      Well worth the wait!

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      John Silveira
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      Wow, everything looks amazing!

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      Ro
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      Everything’s looking great, well done guys! I can’t remember for sure, so could someone please remind me: are the player mats actually going to be just cloth as pictured in this update, or are they going to be thicker neoprene-like material?

    21. ACGalaga on

      Everything looks great! I think I’m more excited to see how the player board have been changed up. What are those tiles for that have the action icons?! Your hype icons are now round!! What’s Cubee doing there?!!! (Alternate first and second first markers I imagine).

      Also, I’m getting a bit foggy on what’s included. all KS backers get the resource bags right? The player bags need to be added separately. Correct?

      Anyways, always love seeing your updates show up in my mail box!

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      Vaughn Williams on

      Wow! These components are really looking great. I backed this game with my wife in mind because she is such a huge coffee lover. However, it has been hard to get her as excited about it as I was, especially after hearing about the delays. I showed her these pictures, and you should have seen her face light up. Now she has something to really feel excited about. Thanks for the update.

    23. dilkROM Collaborator
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      @METADNA: We gotta talk. I honestly have forgotten what the suggestions were. *blush* There were too many good ones! PM me! ;)

    24. METADNA
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      @Dilkrom so you do it (special beans)... ;)
      @Filipa glad to see you here ;)

    25. Filipa Tato
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      Woooow!! Everything look amazing!! Makes me want to order another pack of that gorgeous resources 😱
      And thanks so much for those photos of the playmats with the game on top, really appreciate it. Now I'm relaxed with my choice 😊

      Thank you for all the work and perfectionism. Keep being like that 😀

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      Frank Guerriero on

      Wow! The components look fantastic, I am extremely impressed by the level of attention to detail and perfectionism in this company - looks like it is going to be well worth the wait.

      Of all of my outstanding Kickstarter games, it is Seize the Bean I am looking forward to the most, boring on 2019 and the final production run.

    27. Chris Conway
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      Great update, will need to see if the Pledge Manager is still open... ;)

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      Pyhriel on

      These components look great! Can't wait to have the game in hand.