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Omate® TrueSmart™ truly standalone water-resistant smartwatch, works independently from and with all smartphones. 3G, Voice & Gestures!
Omate® TrueSmart™ truly standalone water-resistant smartwatch, works independently from and with all smartphones. 3G, Voice & Gestures!
Omate® TrueSmart™ truly standalone water-resistant smartwatch, works independently from and with all smartphones. 3G, Voice & Gestures!
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    1. ClintWade on September 30, 2013

      @Omate cool, sounds great and looking forward to your life after kickstarter marketing, vids, photos and info. Please no Power. Beauty. Intelligence. quotes in your vids though ;-)

      As for the AI - good luck to them. If they can pull it off. Competition is not a bad thing. They aren't the first and won't be the last. A bit of due diligence does go along way, however. A copy is a copy, a first to market is a first to market, and a marketing attempt is just that too. Competition keeps companies on their toes though, and brings better products to consumers. Embrace the competition (if there is no patent issues or other legalities involved) and work towards an even better 3.0. I'd buy it, I'm sure.

    2. Lokifish Marz on September 30, 2013

      @Omate - Anything planned further south like San Diego?

    3. kwan lee on September 30, 2013

      Reported, I don't think many people will pledge (Flexible Funding) but it turned out $4000+ already. Feel sorry for those people who pledge as they can get better one here (TS). This is not a good practice for raising money by copying other products.

      Good job Loki for hunting the details out. Very informative.

    4. Lokifish Marz on September 30, 2013

      Crazy Idea. Forget sending yet another Nexus One into space. Next time make it a TrueSmart. I would even donate mine for it as long as I get it back in proper working order.

    5. Lokifish Marz on September 30, 2013

      @Omate - The videos and photos will be nice and help keep the lions happy. I understand both your side of it and the backers side of it and think you have done amazing. Once I receive my TS I will be sure to supply you with detailed testing and usage vids. Good luck at the Glazed Conference in San Francisco and I may make an appearance there If I can get some time to get away.

    6. Peter John Bradley on September 30, 2013

      Omate are now taking pre-release orders for the Retail versions of TrueSmart via their Web Site and here's a guide on how to get more TrueSmart information and Backer/Fan/Developer interaction...

      Omate backers chatroom:

      Wiki/FAQ (created by backers):

      Unofficial forums: Omate's website:

      Omate on YouTube:

      Bonus Premium clockfaces:

    7. Peter John Bradley on September 30, 2013


      Thank you for those clarifications.

      Unfortunately some of the Backers are impatient and seem to be worried when you are focused elsewhere and not able to be on here constantly to reassure them that all is well with the Project.

      Regrettably it's not something that most of us active one's on the Forum can do much about, except ask them to be patient, as we understand & know you are really busy.

    8. Omate Creator on September 30, 2013

      More videos and photos will come later this week as we resume some communication after spending time on the behind the scenes work. As we planned earlier, we needed a week plus after Kickstarter to start up Life After Kickstarter, The conferences, arranging the surveys and compiling them etc. Tomorrow both Laurent and Nick will for the first time be at the same place together and appear together since the Kickstarter launch - at the Glazed Conference in San Francisco.

    9. Lokifish Marz on September 30, 2013

      @Nicholas @Wouter - I have forwarded all relevant information the Endgadget. This includes my price list front he OEM/ODM, Wouter's images.

      @Omate - With my ties to the very same OEM/ODM his actions are misleading buyers which is unacceptable. My activity regarding the device is part of my consumer advocacy with regards to personal electronics. It would have been a non issue if the "creator" of the other device had not been insulting to me personally, used faked images and stated multiple times that anybody that disagrees with him has no idea what they are talking about. I have no issue with anybody bringing smartwatches to the market but misinformation and slight of hand practices I simply will not tolerate. As far as the comments here are concerned I consider the matter closed.

    10. Omate Creator on September 30, 2013

      Hi Guys, thanks for speaking out for us in the community regarding other smartwatches. We try as much as possible not to comment on others products, and stay focused on ours. We made one comment on the whole issue to clarify a photo of our beloved TrueSmart being used on a trading platform as the photo for a product listing that has nothing to do with TrueSmart - that of course is not authorized and has no relation to TrueSmart at all. We are seeking contact with the trading platform to see if the illegal use of our photo can be removed. That's to protect the photo of everyone's TrueSmart from being misused to mislead others. As to other companies making smartwatches, no matter how they do it, they do it in their own way, whether it's good or bad, it's for them and consumers to decide. Diversity is part of free market, isn't it :-)

    11. Wouter Van Goey on September 30, 2013

      I'm reporting it as we speak.You can do the same here:

    12. nick.does.bags
      on September 30, 2013

      I seriously think that A.I smartwatch should be reported. Not because it's competition to TS. In fact it's the opposite. Can clearly see from links others have posted how it's a slap dash implementation rebrand of an already off the shelf device and they're pretending they've developed the unit from scratch. Now that's taking the biscuit.

      It will only hurt future buyers and backers who think oh I missed out on the omate this is similar I might get it then they'll end up with an inferior product.

      Can't these guys be vetted out? Hope so as I do feel sorry for the backers they're being overcharged for something that's already out for much much less! argh

    13. ClintWade on September 30, 2013

      Facebook is a horribly slow app across the board, anyway. On my girlfriend's ipad 2 it is horrible. Especially pages manager.

    14. Peter John Bradley on September 30, 2013

      Not that I have an insider knowledge about it or anything, but I have a feeling that the reason we're not seeing anything much of the Omate Team on here at the moment, IS that they are working on/gearing up for a big more professional Media campaign to maximize their orders for the Golden Period (Holidays/Christmas - call it what you will) and when the Media go into overdrive looking for stories when the Politicians go home and stop giving them something to drone on about.

      That being said, it would be entirely consistent with that approach to have better promos and videos of polished applications use on the TrueSmart.

      If the Software Dev Team are pushed for time getting a fully functional Watch out to the Backers, then the reason we are not seeing anything of that nature yet, is because they don't want to ruin it with another screen freeze, as apparently happened during M. Le Pen's recent TV interview and are holding off for a reliable demonstration.

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    16. Lokifish Marz on September 30, 2013

      @Jarrod - Benchmarks can't really be trusted but I'm seeing Antutu scores ranging from 7-9K on devices with the same MT6572

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      Michael B. on September 30, 2013

      Is there any way on indiegogo to see all comments?
      Wanted to read through the 35 comments, but can only see 8.

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    19. MF Calub on September 30, 2013

      @Loki: Nice :) I'm still cracking up on the AI part. Seriously though, I do hope to see real AI in my lifetime but even Watson is still far off. Philosophically speaking, it is going to be a Pandora's box when it happens.

    20. Zhou on September 30, 2013

      @Lokifish: Well written on the AI Smartwatch part. What a rip off.

    21. Lokifish Marz on September 30, 2013

      Omate are now taking pre-release orders for the Retail versions of TrueSmart via their Web Site and here's a guide on how to get more TrueSmart information and Backer/Fan/Developer interaction...
      Omate backers chatroom:
      Wiki/FAQ (created by backers):
      Unofficial forums: Omate's website:
      Omate on YouTube:
      Bonus Premium clockfaces:

    22. Lokifish Marz on September 30, 2013

      @MF @Wouter -

      @clintwade - Once devices get in the hands of backers and tech sites I'd expect to see a proper marketing push for the retail release. In many ways KS is a grass roots approach but do agree that a more rounded marketing approach would have done wonders. Expect to see some detailed reviews from the October Dev units, that I can assure you.

    23. ClintWade on September 30, 2013

      @ Sean it is not so much that I want to see apps. It is more that I think omate should show or advertise more real world scenario uses for their watch. Think Apple. We, the developers, early adopters, gadget lovers, kickstarter crawlers and backers, have already jumped aboard. We look at specs, overall package, features that rise above competitors etc... And make a real world scenario in our heads of what we want to use it for. For me, notifications, email, funny moments with the camera and waterproof design. For other backers maybe sim card, bluetooth music, SMS, cycling etc. We have paid. The campaign is over. We wait for updates and shipping schedule with fingers crossed. Hopefully it won't be thrown in the cupboard with my RROD broken Xbox, useless bricked sony Smartwatch, countless phones etc.. For the company as a whole to move forward, they need to pick up their game and move forward from kickstarter. 4000+ backers and 1 Million is a lot for a new company, granted,, but if they want to remain relevant for future customers, in what will be an inevitable sea of copy cats and clones, it is time to start marketing way berth the strategies that vapour are companies use also. I am thinking of their company, not myself. My credit card has been charged. General public Joe and Jane want to see their favourite apps working, the watch dunked in a glass of Pepsi, a real time phone conversation between two watches... That stuff sells. If they are not ready for that yet, then so be it. Lots of social updates can be done after kickstarter also. If it's u dfor pre-order online now, then the website needs a grab you by the nuts demo also (sans cheesy adjectives like A.1 watch). For a team of people that apparently wears one watch on each arm, the stills and vids are very few and far between now. Strategic internet marketing is what startup basically have to succeed. I say use some of the million that they will receive next week to get the forum online, the website overhauled, many more vids showcasing real life uses and get some in the hands of less spec inclined review sites like Engadget or Gizmodo, even if it's a non full working watch, just as a "special thought" to see what they think of the size at first or something. There was more that I wanted to write, but am typing on my Note 2, as my Macbook Air just died three days ago. Flashing question mark on startup. Sucks. It is meant to just work. Good marketing by Apple, though... ;-)

    24. MF Calub on September 30, 2013

      Artificial intelligence, for me, was the lolz part. I found the AI watch just funny. It was advertised by someone trying to do some tech talk but just couldn't pull it off. He needs to maybe go to MIT and have AI explained to him. Good luck to the backers though. It won't reach the $100k mark, I think. Nice pocket change for the guy running, talking to the watch, etc... Oh, wait a minute, it's all the same guy. :)

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      brian hughes on September 30, 2013

      I would not say I feel sorry for them Randall after all they may get what they pay for. However if they were wanting to contribute to being a part of supporting moving a unique even in part innvation forward then its not so great for them.

    26. Randall McQuade on September 29, 2013

      Feel somewhat sorry for the people funding the AI watch but hopefully at the very least they will get a watch.

    27. Randall McQuade on September 29, 2013

      Re earlier post on how People are going to use there truesmarts.
      Mine is going to become my main cell.
      Call me silly but I currently carry two cell phones around most of the time. I have a cheap lg optimus one and an Nokia 808 pureview. The TrueSmart will be replacing the lg.

      I will be tethering my tablet and Nokia 808 to the omate when required.
      I will be streaming to my Bluetooth car stereo using tune in radio.
      Will be using it for mountain/road biking and skiing with a SportsTracker blue tooth heart rate monitor. Currently using Sports Tracker app but will likely be switching to Runtastic as track altitude gain and loss better.
      Rarely talk on the phone unless it is hands free in my car.
      Hoping it will be ok to text on but if not will put my 808 on our family plan for an extra $15/month.
      Also for longer bike rides I currently use an external battery with my lg for sports tracker. Have no problem doing the same with the truesmart.

    28. Sasa Horak on September 29, 2013

      wake up Omate team :-)

    29. Randall McQuade on September 29, 2013

      LOL was looking at some of the smart watches on Alibaba and found this

      The sketch of the watch with dimensions 2/3 of the way down on the page is the same sketch on the AI watch Indiegogo page
      Have to agree with others here the AI watch looks like nothing more than a rebranded Chinese watch possibly with some custom upgrades.

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      brian hughes on September 29, 2013

      @Wouter Van Goey I doubt it's against indegogo rules after all as you say they were free image sites. But I'm still staying away from it. Thanks for sharing though its kind of funny to see the photoshops I thought the picture were to glam. after all if your a real kick starter your not going to be wasting money on super models. I don't know why he just didn't just ask a friend or family member to do it. It would have made for a made for a campaign that engendered a bit more trust than some photoshoped glam candy. Unless he lives in the herman munster household :-)

    31. Wouter Van Goey on September 29, 2013

      I was thinking of using the accelerometer with the grasshopper plugin to control a 3D CAD model in Rhino. Also to monitor my sleep with an app like sleepytime. To help me with lucid dreaming with an app like awoken. I'll be playing a lot of flow free. To control my htpc and practically everything else with unified remote. As walkie talkie with voxer. To secure log in on google services with Authenticator. As a to-do list with To scan QR codes on posters and regular barcodes in the supermarket to compare prices online. to transfer files with bump. To check train and bus hours with a local app. Looking up my class hours with our school app. With shazam when I hear a catchy tune. As a compass while hiking. To stream music to my waterproof bluetooth speaker. To keep an eye on things from far away with IP webcam. I will do some wifi network analysis with InSSIDer. Post to instagram of course. End my jokes with a drum roll with Instant Buttons. Check the timetables at festivals with their dedicated app. Get notifications when it's gonna rain with Rain Detector. Runkeeper to track my bike routes. Whip a virtual whip with The Whip. Use google translate conversation mode on holiday. I could keep on going but this'll do for now :p

    32. BJ Van Gundy on September 29, 2013

      Just tweeted a couple of messages to the writer of that AI review silliness at engadget.... I REALLY don't think that she's done her homework well enough to be writing for engadget given that the AI is just a rebrand with a high price....

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      brian hughes on September 29, 2013

      @iraqigeek true snapdragon 200 is not a the best sign for responsive performance. But I'll be keeping a eye on it because it certainly has some good ideas. Heres the interview with the CEO you could be right it might end up being vapourware however the claims being made are not particularly grandiose. So to me it's worth watching ;-)

    34. notpod on September 29, 2013

      Evening Lokifish Marz. I still have plans to look into the FM radio bit. ROKU controller. Sphero controller? Anything HAM radio related: Field logging, Grid Squares, DX clusters, Packet (aprs) via BT/HT interface, SAT/ISS pass tracking.

    35. Lokifish Marz on September 29, 2013

      @ Wouter - I'm in my phone so I cant tell but if the images are linked back to the source then please share with the tech sites covering that device.

    36. notpod on September 29, 2013

      While the picture on the alibaba site is of the truesmart the product in the description is nothing at all like the truesmart. You should read that real close, its some kind of KIRF device like those LCD games that come in shells that look like a PSP or NDS.

      The A.I watch is plain ugly and the pine still looks like vapor ware (and $395?!?!). No doubt that there will dozens if not hundreds of sorta alike android watches just like the first couple of waves of import android tablets. I am happy to get in with the best looking, best specced android watch due to ship soon!

      On a totally different subject: Target had the SPHERO bluetooth robot ball thingy on close out for $38 (version 1) and I had to get it. It is pretty good fun with the dogs but hopefully I can use the TS to control it!

      2 cents from the peanut gallery!

    37. Lokifish Marz on September 29, 2013

      So what are some if the not typical uses you guys have planned for your TrueSmart? Also, any new videos of our TrueSmart in action?

    38. Wouter Van Goey on September 29, 2013

      I'll let the pictures do the talking: Took me five minutes of googling.
      Is this against indiegogo rules? I found all of them on about 3 different free stock photo sites.
      In the album are just the shopped pictures, the others are just crops but otherwise identical. e.g. :

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      brian hughes on September 29, 2013

      Android 4.3 is software so they can deliver that 2years from now and still meet the promise. Thr Ram is a plug in chip truesmart originally was only comming with 512mb mem and due to popular demand omate added the option as it did not require any redesign. And battery design depends on how much space was available in the case but you are right though being a smart watch battery power would be a primary concern and you'd want the biggest size possible as a selling point for the watch so unless he was deliberately undersizing the batt in the base specs to have something as a strecth goal. NFC though not sure on that one as if it was not in the original design it would be pretty hard to do Omaye said they could not do it without a significant redesign.

    40. Wouter Van Goey on September 29, 2013

      Ok about the A.I. watch, we should just report these guys and move on.
      The more you delve into it, the more obvious their amateurism is.
      Google reverse image search reveals that every picture on their indiegogo page is a free stock picture. All the watches are photoshopped. I'm making an album of the originals and their pics. Stay tuned.

    41. IraqiGeek on September 29, 2013

      Wouter Van Goey,
      If you're buying in bulk, you can get some customizations from the manufacturer. 1GB RAM is just swapping one chip reel for another in the pick and place. 4.3 might already be coming from the manufacturer and if he gets to the stretch goals he'll probably throw some cash at them to accelerate it.

      As for NFC, I don't know of thats even possible given the SoC the watch uses doesn't have it AFAIK. But then again, given how flexible Indiegogo is I wouldn't be surprised if he's just promising things to try to raise more money.

    42. IraqiGeek on September 29, 2013

      @brian hughes,
      I'll believe the Neptune Pine is anything more than vaporware when they show real photos of prototypes and not just a bunch of renderings.

      And even if it somehow materialized, its based on a Snapdragon 200, which uses a pair of Cortex-A5 cores, the slowest A-series cores ARM has, which are targeted at extremely low cost applications.

      If the creator plans on launching a KS, why is he accepting pre-orders on his site? The whole Neptune thing doesn't pass the sniff test for me.

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      brian hughes on September 29, 2013

      Lokifish I'm your joking as voice control is completely a software item. Anyway voice control is built into Android anyway and the demo video obviously wasn't showing real voice control those responses were a voice over :-) at least thats how it looked and sounded to me.

    44. Wouter Van Goey on September 29, 2013

      What I don't get is all the stretch goals they promise. If they're rebranding an off the shelf device how're they gonna make the watches with 1GB of Ram, Android 4.3, 600mAh Battery and NFC?

      Do they actually have a team capable of accomplishing all or even any of these things ever, let alone in time to make their delivery deadlines?

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      brian hughes on September 29, 2013

      Those preorder prices for the Neptune thought are seriously to much and the price difference in memory options is some serious gouging at least in my opinion. 60 dollars for 16gb mem increase ouchy!. I guess thats the reason for no micro sd card!. :-(

    46. Lokifish Marz on September 29, 2013

      @Wouter - His claim is that the EC309 is in no way related to his device. That because his device has voice control it makes it a completely different device.

    47. Wouter Van Goey on September 29, 2013

      @Sean, I know it's weird, I've sent the seller a message, curious what he's got to say, still it's probably best to report him.

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      brian hughes on September 29, 2013

      Nice interview thanks for the link. The other interviews are quite interesting I notice the one for this smart watch as well Neptune Pine the interviewee said this will soon be comming to kick starter as well. I don't know why but I quite like the look of this one as well. The fact that it can be unclipped from the watch which is a nice feature to use as an action cam or mini cam I find phones quite a pain to take pictures with but this could be quite cool if the detach mechanism is not to fiddly. And I don't know why but the more horizontal orientation widescreen type format appeals to me visually perhaps because its what I'm used to from pc's/tvs etc. Bigger battery than the truesmart at 900mah (but that may well be negated by the bigger screen size) and conventional usb charging. Only negatives I can see from my own perspective is waterproofing and sd card which is a real shame why do that when watch looks to have the realistate for it

    49. Wouter Van Goey on September 29, 2013

      Hope Omate doesn't mind us discussing this here,. Should be ok because this isn't exactly positive advertisement for their competition. This comment section will be where possible A.I. pledgers will come in their investigations. Especially now they started mentioning TrueSmart themselves. Another quote: "..Hi I am the creator of A.I Watch and i can assure you that is not at all a scam lolll. " Anyway. we've talked enough about that scam now. I actually bought 4 extra cables. I'm willing to sacrifice one if I can turn it into something cool/useful. Any ideas?

      e.g. cutting off most of the cable and attaching a female micro usb port so you can charge your truesmart anywhere you can charge your phone. Or put a thermometer on the end of the cable somehow? External sd card reader or usb drive wouldn't work because TrueSmart doesn't have OTG right? Maybe a wireless charging attachment?

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