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A skirmish miniatures game where each player will take control of a small army, fighting a battle as part of a larger war.
A skirmish miniatures game where each player will take control of a small army, fighting a battle as part of a larger war.
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Panda or Not

Posted by Limbo Miniatures (Creator)

Dear backers, 

The debate about Wong and his placement in the universe seems to be non-stop, so I would like to bring an end to it today.  

In the original universe of Limbo, there are many species other than humans living on the land. Dwarves, Elves and even BeastMan. They were once united to fight against the first Demontide. However, after driving the demons back to the chaos realm, The humans betrayed the alliance. Most of the other species have either been slaughtered or escaped from the land. Very few stayed behind and tried to survive under the shadow of the human kingdom.  

Wong is one of those that stayed behind. Although few members of clan remain, he still believes that there is chance to bring the glory of the clan back. Then the demons returned. Should Man win unabated it might mean that they would drive other species back further. Should the demons win it might mean an end to all life. But what if there was a way to make them fight each other for all eternity? Wong has a plan, and he will join either side as long as to make sure the war continues.  

The homeland of Wong, at least what it used to looks like.  

 And yes, Goron also had a home!

I do understand some of you don't like Wong at all, indeed, he looks like he came out of no where, but he does belong to the Limbo universe.   I really want to bring some of the characters like Wong into the game to prove that they are really living or trying to live in limbo world, although the world is no longer about them at all. Therefore neither Dwarves, elves or pandas will have a faction in the future.    

You know that we have been listening since the beginning of the campaign and we are trying our best to satisfy as many backers as possible(I know this is quite hard), so here is the suggestion, I can move Wong from stretch goal to a RESIN add on (around AU$20), and add the following two heroes to Stretch goals instead. A heavy armored Tiger knight captain that never speaks and a vicious imp that can slice your throat before you notice. In this case the panda 'haters' can simply skip Wong and panda 'lovers' can still get a more detailed version.  

Let me know what do you think, prefer the change or stay as it is. Please leave a comment and I will follow the will of majority. However, this will be the last time to change the stretch goals and I hope that there wont be any argument about panda/dwarf in comments any more no matter what the result is. 

PS, even for human themselves, there are many kingdoms in Limbo as well, and the war between human kingdoms last even longer than the battles with demons, please don't panic if you see some other themed human warriors in future.

 Thank you very much and have a nice day :)

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      Best solution: Like you proposed in the Update. Move Wong from stretch goal to a resin add on around AU$20, and add the Imp and Tiger Captain as new stretch goal.

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      If it has to be changed then i can only see it work with changing a hero for a hero (for example the lady shown in update 7 as a teaser). I would like the normal version of Wong to be an add-on to fit with the rest of game, Just feel that a tidbit/teaser of the background this was missing when it was added a strech goal could have gone different than this route.

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      Samuel N on

      Better replace the panda and avoid unnecessary litigation costs and negativity. Those like the panda so much can buy an upgraded version with a larger size and resin material

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      Kyle Olson on

      While I don't agree with those who have been vocally against Wong, if given a choice I'll admit I would rather have the knight and imp. I would be happy either way but that is my preference.

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      Great to see a back story to the race and character. If the choice is only this i would like to keep the panda as a sg.

    6. Collin_S Collaborator on

      Don't for get to vote guys!! Let us hear what you would like! PANDA OR NOT??
      The link below will take you to a ballot.

    7. Heath Lambert on

      I agree with Christian.

    8. Chris P

      I'm a Kickstarter Backer and thus I vote to have ALL 3 playable miniatures as STRETCH GOAL!

    9. Mr. Interesting on

      Keep Wong as a stretch goal. Who has the time to complain about stretch goals? What the heck. Some of you folks need to get a life.

    10. Collin_S Collaborator on

      Hey everyone!! I made a vote doc for everyone to put their vote in So we can get a better count on things. Thabks for everyone's Help!

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      Nicholas Erik Aadland on

      Wong is beautiful! He ads a sense of mystery and lends an element of originality to the universe. I would love to see a whole range of his cohorts in the future!!!

    12. Captain Malevil on

      AS of today you have almost 1800 backers, don't let the few vocal ones writing here to change your vision, really. It's ok offering some ideas and of course you can take whatever you like, but it's YOUR game and 90% of the backers will not write anything.

      Be true to your vision

    13. Bannister

      My worry is copyright issues from WoW, getting sued and the whole project getting shut down.
      Resin snaps easy, so likely will need to have spares printed= costs to produce.
      also your inclusion of the flower knight as a replacement? w.t.?

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      Chin Fung Wong on

      Please keep Wong as SG

    15. Pyro Stick on

      I really like Wong and would have been very interested in a whole panda faction but voted to have him as an add on so we can get him in higher quality resin. Maybe add a few more pieces and make it a mini expansion

    16. Collin_S Collaborator on

      Hey everyone!! I made a vote doc for everyone to put their vote in So we can get a better count on things. Thabks for everyone's Help!

    17. Cristian on

      Switch Wong to addon

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      #keepwong #nothingwongwithpandas

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      Jarryd Rollo on

      Don't panda to the haters guys.
      Wong looks incredible, and I'm very intrigued with how special fence-sitter characters like him are going to interact with the war.
      I want to see him left in as a SG. Your game, your world, your dream.

    20. Balgin Stondraeg

      I honestly don't mind either way on this one.

    21. Collin_S Collaborator on

      Hey everyone!! I made a vote doc for everyone to put their vote in So we can get a better count on things. Thabks for everyone's Help!

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      James Horton on

      Keep Wong as a SG.

      Id prefer the artbook to be an addon instead.

    23. Moretti Filippo

      I vote for the change.

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      Please remove Wong from a stretch goals.

    25. KS Huntress (in Deep Madness)

      Please make a cool playable Wong-Clan Addon!

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      Zed on

      Ad-on please. Have no interest in panda

    27. ray bans

      either way, as I want Wong regardless

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      Kim Bartlett on

      I prefer as an add on- knight and imp I prefer as stretch goals.

    29. Alberto on

      I think is an error to ask things like this, because you have said you will follow the will of majority, but for example; 101 persons no and 100 yes is enough to make a change like this?
      Please, follow your initial thoughs. The panda is lovely and must keep.

    30. Andreas Kohlos

      Wong as Add-On

    31. Pyro Stick on

      Honestly I thought wong was a brilliant looking mini and it's a shame some are trying to make this game what they want it to be or what they have decided it their mind that it should be no matter the creators vision. I would like to see him as a resin add on, that way I can at least get something in 35mm scale in resin from this campaign. Honestly I would really like to see an entire panda faction

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      DDm on

      Shipping date is 99.9% unreliable, the moment I saw it, I didn't believe it. And it is fine by me. Would be a very pleasant surprise, if I am wrong) Actually, I hope I am)

    33. Some Guy

      I prefer the change: Wong as an add-on.

      I want The Imp as a stretch goal.

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      Gustav Forsberg on

      +1 for Wong to stay!

    35. KoenVDH on

      People here are not game designers and certainly don’t have your vision in mind. Stick to your design!
      I’ll happily paint and play the panda.

    36. KS Huntress (in Deep Madness)

      Maybe a Wong + Wong Clan playable addon?

    37. Makkek on

      Keep him, he’s awesome

    38. KS Huntress (in Deep Madness)

      Wong as an addon!

    39. armitagelee

      Wong is Right!..........I vote to keep Wong as well please. Lovely mini and I would prefer not to pay for having to get him as an add on and get a generic knight instead. I do like the imp though, but still prefer Wong. Thanks for asking, keep up the brilliant work. All the best with the project.

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      I don;t think people are voting with the proper information, You do realized that removing the panda and adding 2 different stretch goals will probably also delay the project ship date by 2 months? the vote should be:
      1. keep the panda and keep the ship date
      2. Change the SG and add at least +2 months of shipping delay

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      Auriana Johnson on

      keep wong as a stretch goal.

    42. Belkov on

      Send panda to Pandaria!!! :>

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      Agnar on

      Switch Wong to addon

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      Stefano on

      Not panda, remove it from streach goal

    45. Cody Brown

      Keep Wong as the stretch goal.

    46. Kelly

      I vote to keep Wong as a SG.

      If the majority votes otherwise I will still get him as an add on but I am not a fan of resin for gameplay.

    47. Tyler

      I wouldn't be opposed to a non human race add on. Maybe Wong and one of the elves you mentioned. I would like to see your vision for this world though, not the fans.

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      Stick to Panda as SG

    49. DsasterCraft on

      +1 Wong sticks around SG.
      I like how he opens the game having neutrals. Maybe have some recasts as add-ons for more options.