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The goal is to cleanup and release the source code that was used to power Lavabit as a f/oss project with support for dark mail added.
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Ladar Levison

2,976 backers pledged $212,513 to help bring this project to life.

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    1. Creator Martin Bryant on March 17

      Could we have some more, regular updates please. I see no reason why you can't get to a keyboard once a month and spit out a few sentences on the latest news. Even if there is no real news, yet let us know that you're still alive and kicking. :-)

    2. Creator Jeff Grayson on November 24

      Any information on release date or status? Some information is better than none.

    3. Creator Harti on November 12

      An update would be really nice.....

    4. Creator Max Nager on November 1

      @Justin
      I am sure they'res no money left. Ladar is hard at work, but I just wish he would pass us an occasional update.

    5. Creator Justin Paine on October 29

      Yeah ...going to need an update very soon or will be requesting a refund here. This is getting ridiculous. This is starting to look like yet another funded Kickstart project that fails to deliver.

    6. Creator John Griffiths on October 22

      Any news on the release?

      Originally magma classic was to be released to the lower tier backers on August 5th, but so far we're nearly thru the end of October, about 2-3 months after that deadline and no word from the team.

      Any idea on the status of the project?

      If it's still in development that's fine, just be really nice to get an update from the team.

      Very best,

    7. Creator Max Nager on October 11, 2014

      @Derek
      It's possible they suffered the same fate as Truecrypt.

      I don't know about DoxBox, but there is a fork of Truecrypt called CipherShed that I'm following.

    8. Creator Derek Mawhinney on October 2, 2014

      Does anyone have info on why the FreeOTFE free "on-the-fly" transparent disk encryption program is no longer supported?
      I see that about four months ago a FreeOTFE is used as the basis for DoxBox.
      Does anyone have a opinon on DoxBox?
      I understand read on the internet that it will work on Windows 7 machine in "Test Mode"

    9. Creator Max Nager on September 30, 2014

      Any updates?

    10. Creator Justin Paine on September 3, 2014

      Here's hoping for a meaningful update (and code) for the funders....

    11. Creator Max Nager on August 29, 2014

      For those who have received Magma Classic, what are your thoughts about it?

    12. Creator Jason Donahue on August 27, 2014

      Ladar,
      I have to agree with Michael. You were expected to release the Magma Classic around August 5, 60 days after the top tier donors got the code. There are now 4 days left in August, where is Magma Classic? If it was released to the top donors, obviously it was ready. The estimated delivery for this project was Apr 2014! This is nearly 5 months past due. What are you waiting for?

    13. Creator Michael Mullin on August 16, 2014

      Ladar. I funded this project at $25. I know that I am not your highest backer, but I funded based on the understanding that you would release the source code to the public 60 days after your top tier funders.

      It has now been 70 days. I expect you to honour the understanding by which I funded your campaign, or to refund my funding.

    14. Creator Kevin on August 12, 2014

      I really like the videos, thanks for posting those.

      I know you've got a lot of things going on but I am really itching to stand up at least a magma classic server with the intent of standing up a magma dark server as well... all I need are the binaries. I'm ok with bugs or lack of documentation or whatever is stalling the release... but you're making the kids wait until new years to open their christmas presents.

      I've got space on my host allocated for these servers, let's get this (Choose favorite: private/encrypted/free/open to the world/closed to eavesdropping) party started.

    15. Creator Thomas Ungricht on August 6, 2014

      Thanks for the HopeX videos!

    16. Creator Franck Royer on August 6, 2014

      I am still waiting for my cd :/

    17. Creator Zedd Epstein on August 6, 2014

      It's been 60 days. Is there a code drop?

    18. Creator Max Nager on July 22, 2014

      Enjoyed your talk at HOPE. Perhaps you can work out a way to post it.

    19. Creator waldmensch on July 15, 2014

      any news?

    20. Creator Max Nager on May 31, 2014

      @Valeriy
      Hushmail is technically free too, so long as you remember to use it once every three weeks. So I guess the question is which one is more secure.

    21. Creator Max Nager on May 29, 2014

      @Valeriy
      I don't see how Protonmail is any different from Hushmail, apert from being more free and less open.

    22. Creator Ladar Levison on April 29, 2014

      qwc123... the high level architecture design is done... the focus has been getting it on paper in a form others can understand... protocol level and object format design is ongoing...

    23. Creator qwc123 on April 29, 2014

      I would at least like to see a highlevel architecture that shows, how it would be possible to hide communication metadata. The actual implementation could also be done by others then who don't have "legal hiccups" ...

    24. Creator paul120987 on April 28, 2014

      I guess this guy just left with our money. I actually thought I was doing something good by donating.

      We're probably all just on some list now. Great

    25. Creator Max Nager on April 18, 2014

      I can't believe Ladar went Pro Se. I would think that, given the precedential value of this case, organizations like the ACLU or EFF would provide him with counsel pro bono.

    26. Creator archiebunker on March 10, 2014

      Here's an interview Ladar did with ReasonTV about two weeks back. He makes reference to DarkMail, so that's a good sign.
      http://reason.com/reasontv/2014/02/28/lavabits-ladar-levison-on-snowden-why-he

    27. Creator Valeriy Ostapenko on February 19, 2014

      > I pledged $ 10.000 dollars

      My condolences...

    28. Creator Edsard on February 19, 2014

      On November 25th 2013 I messaged Ladar. This was before the funding deadline had passed.
      In essence my question was: "How likely is it that you will make the Feb 2014 deadline?"

      Ladar responded on December 1st 2013:
      "Hi Edsard! We'll likely have something ready by the end of February, although it might not be production ready. I was expecting the SC team to have finished the protocol docs by now, so I may have to proceed without them if they aren't done by Jan 1st. Check back with me at the end of January for an update. The best way to reach me is via the office at 703 291 1999... and THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT! L~"

      I subsequently messaged him on January 2nd, January 16th and January 28th.
      All messages went without reply. By now frustrated, annoyed (and at the point where I feel cheated) I also sent a message to him via Facebook on February 9th. And yet again.... no reply.
      I called the number he provided and left messages and yet again... no reply!

      All the while I see on his Facebook that he is busy with his "legal battle", which from the transcripts I have listened to, amounts to a $ 10.000 dollar contempt charge. Nothing else.
      At the same time I see a picture of his legal team which probably costs BIG $$$.

      I can not help but think that the pledges amount has been used on his legal battle instead of what we pledged for. The fact that, despite numerous attempts on my part, he has not responded since the project was funded has left me with a very very bad taste in my mouth. I pledged $ 10.000 dollars (which for me is a BOATLOAD of money). The least the guy can do i respond.

      What are my options? Ideas?

    29. Creator Domino on February 15, 2014

      "On Wednesday night, law enforcement officials contacted Kickstarter and alerted us that hackers had sought and gained unauthorized access to some of our customers' data."

      "While no credit card data was accessed, some information about our customers was. Accessed information included usernames, email addresses, mailing addresses, phone numbers, and encrypted passwords. Actual passwords were not revealed, however it is possible for a malicious person with enough computing power to guess and crack an encrypted password, particularly a weak or obvious one."

      I'd like to thank Kickstarter for providing us with frank (and hopefully timeous) information on this risk to our security. I'm not aware if Kickstarter's disclosure is standard procedure for an online company who's customer data has been breached, as it's the first time this has happened to me. I came here to help improve security. Speak up if you're feeling the irony!

    30. Creator Valeriy Ostapenko on February 14, 2014

      Somewhere along with out pledges.

    31. Creator Brett Ferguson on February 13, 2014

      Where are the updates?

    32. Creator Max Nager on February 7, 2014

      @Valeriy
      Thanks for sharing that! Mailpile does indeed look much better than Virtru. However, at the moment it seems that Virtru is the only existing encrypted email service that works with other providers, which is disappointing. I guess now all we can do is wait. I just wish Ladar would at least post one update. It's sad because the Dark Mail Alliance looked the most promising.

    33. Creator Valeriy Ostapenko on February 5, 2014

      Seems like Virtru is going to store all private keys on their servers. No thanks.

    34. Creator Jose Fernandez on February 4, 2014

      It would be very much appreciated if at least an update per month is posted to be able to keep track of progress with this project. Thanks.

    35. Creator Marcus Ilgner on January 28, 2014

      Another update would certainly be appreciated. It has become quite silent here. And Facebook? At a guess, the people who want secure and private communication probably have little in common with people using Facebook. The darkmail.info website doesn't say anything about hiring developers either. Quite disappointing, if I may say so. But I still hope the tech will come out right in the end...

    36. Creator Sebastian Flemig on January 22, 2014

      I also thought there is no progress. However, look at Ladar's Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KingLadar - he is searching for skilled developers. At least, this is some information, rather than the absolute silence going on here.

    37. Creator John Marcuse on January 16, 2014

      @Domino: Your not the only non-techie and I know nothing of IETF. But as you noted, it sure does seem lonely here. Perhaps Mr. Levison created this project after one beers too many and then loosing a bet. Rather, I'd like to think it's hard for somebody who made a career out of privacy, finds it difficult to bare his soul to almost 3,000 public backers. All the same, I wish he'd let us know the dark hole he seems to have crawled into is of his own making, and not one even deeper, created by others.

    38. Creator Valeriy Ostapenko on January 12, 2014

      Awsome feedback) I'm glad i've lowered my pledge to $1.

    39. Creator Franck Royer on January 3, 2014

      Any update on the project?

    40. Creator Domino on December 18, 2013

      Is anyone still reading comments here? If so, does anyone have any comments on the following: http://tinyurl.com/ietf-uta-group

      It appears that the IETF has formed a group to issue guidance on secure email protocols. Is this a complement and benefit to the Dark Mail Initiative, or is it competition? If there are two competing protocols, what guarantees would we have that the IETF's is free of back doors etc? Would it be open source?

      I don't even know if those last questions make sense when discussing protocols (versus software), but I guess I'm not the only non-techie here, so anyone who can shed light is most welcome.

    41. Creator Mark Campos on December 6, 2013

      Maybe they hoped it would fail? Or rather, the people in the shadows who greased the media's hands hands hoped it would fail?

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