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Yes, we will have a booth at BGG.CON this year.
You have a booth at BGG?
Thanks for the timely reply.
We have all of the snags worked out for the pledge management. But, I am doing the final prep for the BGG convention next week. I want to be able to answer questions and deal with issues as they happen. I do not see anything big causing us any trouble but it does not make sense to launch the pledge manager while I am tied down at the convention. However, I do plan on firing that up the weekend after the convention towards the end of this month.
Any word on a pledge manager yet ?
That's great, I'm sure LPG will be excellent. After thinking about it I recall now that I sent them positive feedback after Mare Nostrum, and also passed that on to Jamey letting him know the improvement. So I feel like a bit of a jerk for raising the issue. Really glad to hear your interactions with them have confirmed your choice.
Thanks also for sharing your background research into the coins, that's really awesome to learn that they are not only accurate for the period and culture, but specific to the theatre of the conflict. That's great detail.
@Benjamin Stewart Cowley – Thank you for the information and your feedback. I have also heard great things about Aetherworks, as well. I went back and forth with LPG concerning quality and standards for shipping. They have really ramped up their process since the Scythe incident. Another thing to consider is that we are only dealing with 30, or so, backers in Australia and New Zealand. For several reasons, that made me lean towards LPG.
@Karsten Engelmann – I wanted to let you know that the gold coin was modeled after Siculo-Punic coins. There is a detailed history to the coinage during this time period but in short. A significant amount of “War Coinage” was struck by Carthage in Sicily to pay for mercenaries. This tied in so well to the game that I decided to use that coin design. I spent a significant amount of time researching and checking the facts but the gold coin you see is indeed minted by Carthage in Sicily during the First Punic War. Carthage adopted several standards and designs from Greece coinage with the Siculo-Punic coins. On a side note, the pegasus on the coin was a bit of a political statement. These articles go into more detail if you are interested.
(Page 5) – http://www.bollettinodiarcheologiaonline.beniculturali.it/documenti/generale/2_PRAG.pdf
I've gone over my KS records and I'm pretty sure that LPG used to be GG. I've had mixed success with LPG, the shipped Mare Nostrum perfectly, but prior to that they failed to ship Scythe to Jamey Stegmaier's specification which lead to him shifting to Aetherworks.
Aetherworks are just brilliant for AU shipping. The packaging and attention to detail is second to none. Everything I have received from them has arrived in perfect condition. I am not sure but I think LPG used to be good games, who once sent me a kickstarter package in a plastic bag with no packing. It was very disappointing. I would check with them to ensure that your awesome work is going to at least get a fig leaf of bubble wrap protection.
Also I love the coins, great work.
Not sure why companies continue to use Corinthian coins...has nothing do to with Carthage.
"Yes" to a set of the metal coins!
Hi Samuel, we will be using Let's Play Games. Their website is here: www.letsplaygames.com.au
You usimg aetherworks for Australia.
Hey everyone, we have been going back and forth over which pledge manager to use. But, the big hold up is that we are still calculating the prices for shipping add-on's. I took fairly heavy losses on international shipping during the fulfillment of Hands in the Sea and Forged in Steel last year. I am hoping to not repeat that as it hurt our company.
Shipping a copy of the game assumes a certain amount of weight but the (Upgrade Pack) or any pre-orders that run through the pledge manager could be a mixture of items, i.e., metal coins, custom wood tokens, replacement card deck. To put this issue in perspective, a single bag of coins or card deck falls into a certain weight category. BUT, add them together and it changes things in different ways for different destinations. I want to make sure that I am not overcharging but also not losing money like last year. Please bear with us as we iron these details out. I promise the pledge manager will go live before the end of the year.
On a side note, I just received the samples for the metal coins and they are beautiful. I will post an update soon.
Pledge manager update?
The quality of the first edition was good.
I’m looking forward the new board, and cards which I hope will feel better and potentially be more resilient to use. Not that my original set are falling apart.
Makes sense to stay with your original manufacturer, especially when they can provide the goods.
@secret squirrel - We are still a few weeks out from the pledge manager starting.
when is the pledge manager starting?
@secret squirrel - Good point, that would make for a great update!
In general, a 2nd edition is fairly similar to running any game. A true reprint is even easier as it is just a matter of placing the order. Because the 2nd edition is updating certain layouts it goes thru the same verification/sample process.
I have been researching other manufacturers but I would lose a fair chunk of money by not using the prior manufacturer. I have already paid thousands of dollars for the 1st edition tooling costs and printing plates. In some ways, there is a bit of risk going with a new manufacturer as I already know the component quality from the 1st edition game. As long as I can verify the board game quality/fold and ensure a higher quality of card stock then I would be okay to keep my current manufacturer.
Just curious, perhaps you can discuss it in another post sometime but what sort of work goes into printing a 2nd edition vs a 1st edition? You have to approve all the same materials again and do all the pre-checks but do you use the same printer? Is a 2nd edition/printing easier or more difficult? I would love to read an article about the process, the actual production fascinates me as much as the development and the playing!
Thanks Marlon! I appreciate the kudos!
Gratz on the funding KW! Can't wait to get my hands on, i know....., my copy!
@helderman86 - Thank you for jumping on board to the project. I appreciate your excitement for the game. Sorry to see that you recently lost your job. My thoughts will be with you and I hope things turn around for you soon.
I'm super excited! I had to walk away from another game I've already been all in for. Because I wanted this one more. This is likely my last kickstarter I'll be able to afford for the year. I lost my job, but I just know this thing is gaining to be epic! :-)
@Ken - Thank you! And, congratulations everyone! With minutes to spare you were able to lock down that last stretch goal. I am looking forward to those custom dice and all of the sweet upgrades to the game.
Congratulations Knight works
@Jonathan Solomon - Yes, you can change pledge levels so shipping or the items you would like make sense.
Damn phone. Lol. Never updates. Thanks Knight!
Would that be a no?
@Ken (was the friendly gamer) - Yes, you can upgrade in the pledge manager which launches in 2-3 weeks.
@Greg Bartman - Unfortunately no, the copy of Forged in Steel (in that bundle) is the retail version. We ran out of Kickstarter copies of that game about 4-6 months ago which was the only way that expansion was provided.
I'm in for $2 can I upgrade in pledge manager?
I know we can add things in the pledge manager when it's live, but can we also increase pledge levels? For instance, I've just backed the $95 tier, if I can convince a couple of friends to jump in on this with me in the next week or two, can I change tiers to the $250 one once the PM is live?
Will the combo including Forged in Steel contain the mini-expansion from that Kickstarter?
If we want the new dice, we need to get this to $55K
One last push guys, raid those piggy banks.
I have the First Edition of the game, and have enjoyed playing it very much.
If you are currently considering your options and holding back for the pledge manager, don't. Pledge now and pay for what you want on the Kickstarter. I have, including the new items along with the card deck - reason being my current set are getting tired from use. The new upgrade to the cards is a must in my opinion.
Good luck everyone
Fantastic game and well done with the Second Edition, love all the improvements and ideas.
@J. Brandon Massengill - Yes, you can add on that replacement card deck during the pledge manager which should launch in 2-3 weeks. I will also be producing extras so unless they run out they will be available for preorders.
@Knight Works - Will there be an opportunity to add a deck onto my pledge post campaign?
I'm really on the fence about picking one up and maybe once a list of changes/clarifications are official then I would have a better idea of its enough of an improvement to warrant my buying a copy.
@Knight Works - Thanks!
@J. Brandon Massengill - We are updating the Colonist cards and potentially looking at making some card abilities consistent across the deck. Plus, as you mentioned an upgrade in card quality but there is no major changes to the card content. It is just an option that was being offered.
@Luis - Everything seems corrrect except you do not need to include a replacement card deck. The game includes a deck of cards. The only people who may want that replacement deck is 1st edition backers that want to upgrade their cards.
1st Edition KS Backer here - If I have received all of the replacement cards that were sent out, is there anything new in this 2nd Edition card wise?
If I were to get the card add-on, am I just paying for cards with a better material quality and a linen finish?
Please, @Knight Works, can you confirm me i'm Right about my pledge amount?
50$ The game
15$ Send to Spain.
15$ Metal Coins.
08$ Companion Guide
00$ 63 Coustom Wooden Tokens ( 0$, because they are included in this 2nd edition)
06$ Replacement Card Deck.
BTW, really, really, really nice work!
@Ty Vole - Yes, you can pledge $1 now and then add items once the pledge manager starts. The only catch is that we will be running the pledge manager in 2-3 weeks but that would give people a few weeks before paying.
Is it possible to pledge $1 now and add items (and pay for them) after the campaign has finished in the pledge manager, or do we have to allocate all the funds now before the kickstarter deadline? Thanks for the great game.
@Neil - Yes, I will be creating samples of several things over the next month for backers to review and comment on. This is something that I like to do on Kickstarter campaigns that I create. The alternate map, the player mats, the rule book, and the revisions to the card design will all be presented to backers for input. However, I will not be doing that before the campaign ends on Monday. That process is fairly time-consuming and takes several days of back and forth changes and feedback for each item.
In your reply to @Jacques Nel on 19 August about the card titles/colour you say about creating a few samples and offering backers a chance to submit feedback on some new card examples.
Is this still the case, I ask as there is currently 41 hours to go on the KS campaign?
For those buying this for the first time, this is a great game that captures the feel and events of the 1st Punic War. You will not be disappointed �
@Chotikorn Buranarachada - Unfortunately, the shipping cost for both my UK and Australian fulfillment center is extremely high to ship to countries in South Asia. I will ask my Australian fulfillment center if there is any way to get those costs down by changing the shipping type.
@Ashraam - Our recent update covers what is included in the Upgrade Pack. If you have any other questions please feel free to message me on Kickstarter. Here is the direct link for that update: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/knightworks/hands-in-the-sea-2nd-edition/posts/1967324
Can you consider the lower the shipping cost to Thailand? The $40 is extremely kill the deal...