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WOW!!!!!! All this to steal a few thousand dollars.
Incidentally I e-mailed the people who claimed to have a special treat for Thread or Dead backers and never heard back, haha.
Jason had posted full postal addresses for Paul but they got deleted andI forgot to do a screen grab
And now his account has been deleted. Brilliant :/
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the web name wasn't used for a long time, it looks like someone else has taken it over.
Taken from this page
A Kickstarter project that has the same 'Thread or Dead' name as ours has been brought to our attention.
We would like to reiterate that we are in no way related to the project listed on Kickstarter or the person that created the Kickstarter project. We are far more awesome.
We're sorry that a Kickstarter project operating by a company with the same name as ours has gone sour. We have made contact with Kickstarter about this project but so far our attempts appear to be going unnoticed.
There are 92 of you that backed the Kickstarter project. If any of you would like to place an order on our website for any of our products, please get in touch with us. We would like to offer you a little treat... pop an e-mail to email@example.com
Good luck to all of you that were taken in by this scam artist. We sincerely hope you get your money back or at least manage to relieve him of some body parts.
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Thank you guys for your detective work! I'm not sure if anybody has seen this, but the http://www.threadordead.co.uk/ is an active website now? Not sure if somebody else decided to name their horror themed shirts this as a coincidence or what? The contact info states Print Mob Ltd. in Lancashire. The logo is different both in style and font, but taking a look at the photo gallery makes me suspicious. Like the shirts offered in this Kickstarter it has the Thread or Dead name worked into the design. I'd love to hear what someone else thinks!
I have of course asked for more details... I'll let the backers know when this is done.
I'm back with an Update!! The tweet read as follows; "I no longer work at the place and I left before he arrived. I called them up yesterday and they told me they let him go. If you want more details I can probably get hold of them for you. Looks like he took quite a bit!"
I've tweeted his mate - I will keep you posted OR see it live on @GeekyBaz
And place of work is more than enough to have him served with legal papers... Great work Gil.
So I selected shirt reward but didn't realize you were england and that I should of hit international. Sorry. Money back plz?
I have given up on any one of us getting in tough with him or getting our shirts so I'm am going to report it as internet fraud and recommend that all other backers do the same. Here's the link.
My favorite was the M.U.S.C.L.E. design, so you know, if anyone wants to make that one, let me know!
Such a shame that this has happened.
LISTEN PEOPLE. I backed a lot of projects on Kickstarter and got screwed on a lot too. I'm tired of losing money on these jackasses.
I want to print the D&D and TMNT shirts for my own t-shirt biz. I would love to give every person a free shirt that got screwed on this project too, but I don't have the money for that. but what I can do is offer these shirts at cost for you people. which full color printing usually is about $9.25 a piece. They won't be full bleed printing like in the pictures, but the graphic will be about 12"x14" anyone interested let me know. I'm on facebook, I got a FB page for my shirts too Steelbath graphix. feel free to contact me....I won't disappear.
I got my own little t-shirt company. Jokes on him, fuck'em. I'm stealing his D&D and TMNT designs and putting it on my own shirt.
Could this be the same guy that runs Hauntedbritain.net ? I've got his address and phone number. Also matches the address for a URL of threadordead.com
I have backed almost 300 projects so I I got a little lost in what stuff hasn't been shipped, so I just came across this comment thread after realizing I never got what I pledged for. Have people already taken to contacting Kickstarter about what to do to try and find the guy to get our money back? Can I do anything to help?
I've also just come across all the follow ups since I remembered I hadn't received any shirts. Thank you all for trying to get our money/t-shirts. It's appreciated.
Are his designs protected? Ie could we produce our own similar zombie esque versions of the t-shirts? I like the designs and if we can still get them one way or another.
I think it's safe to say they've fallen through. Their website doesn't exist (despite them saying they'd make a webstore) and no ones had a reply since around September. Any suggestions on who we can follow up about this?
I understand that people do strange things, but he did not make nearly enough money out of this scam for it to be worth potentially ruining his reputation forever--particularly since, by all rights, he actually had pretty stellar designs, and really could have probably made far more money than this if he had actually started making them.
He co-occupied with Gemma Bradley-Stevenson at his previous address.
Based on his previous address his name is Paul R Keene, and it looks like his address may be available on 192.com, it has a new address for the electoral roll for 2013.
@Ben Hanson, I can't see a PM option. It was the Who is info,
I have him down as Wigston in Leicestershire.
@Kristofer - Apparently that's not the guy. Someone else raised the possibility a while ago. Apparently he's living in a specific town in Leicester. They are trying to locate his exact address so they can have him serve with legal papers.
Could this be related?
It's sad to see it come to this, I really liked the sample "designs". Any further updates on this fraud of a project?
This is indeed depressing. It seemed like a great project, and I was looking forward to seeing how things turned out. Obviously the lure of defrauding people out of money was too much for Paul Keene in the end.
Richard, Kickstarter as with any business model, comes with it's risks. I've backed 22 projects (only one failed to fund) and out of the 8-10 that were done by companies/ people who I didn't recognise this is the only one to run off cash in hand. Everyone else has delivered (some outstandingly) or is communicating with progress reports.
I think if you're unsure of a future project, do your research. There has been past projects exposed as frauds before funding because a few people took a little time to research it. Either that or only back projects that are done by people/ companies you recognise or who have an established reputation at stake.
just logged in to see what was happening with regards to these tees cant believe whats happend im all for a refund as it seems fairly obvious that hes dupped alot of people
What a depressing turn of events and has inspired me to never fund a KS project again. Shame, not the least of which I like the shirts. Thanks to Ben and Darklord for pursuing this personally I'm happy with any kind of recourse offered.
Darklord, can you let me know by private message what street address you have for Paul, so I can see whether it matches up with either his old town (I have that address in full) or his new one, which I only have to the town and county level.
I have managed to track Paul down to a specific town in Leicester (he's moved since the WHOIS information for his website was registered) and I have a mobile telephone number for him, as well as Facebook details and information about his current employer.
What I don't have yet is a current address, which we'd need in order to serve any Small Claims Court summons / documents on him.
I can say, though, that this isn't a misunderstanding, and all evidence suggests that Paul Keene is alive and well, and has simply absconded with the Kickstarter money and left no forwarding address.
As soon as we can obtain a correct street address (beyond just the village level), the backers as a collective will need to decide how to pursue Paul for either the refund or reward, as per Kickstarter's terms and conditions. It may be that one person can submit a claim for the full amount, but only if they're designated as the official representative of all the backers.
I'll keep everybody posted. I don't have a tonne of time to dedicate to this, but I dislike the idea of Paul getting away with defrauding us all.
Thanks to all in trying to get some kind of response. I just hope that we get an update, some tshirts or our cash back soon!
Thank you all who is trying to solve it!
@Matt H Moulton, Exactly, we require either the reward or a refund.
Just in case someone hasn't mentioned this.
Kickstarter does not offer refunds. A Project Creator is not required to grant a Backer’s request for a refund unless the Project Creator is unable or unwilling to fulfill the reward.
Project Creators are required to fulfill all rewards of their successful fundraising campaigns or refund any Backer whose reward they do not or cannot fulfill.
Project Creators may cancel or refund a Backer’s pledge at any time and for any reason, and if they do so, are not required to fulfill the reward.
I meant to say phone number and street address.
I've got his contact details now, (email and street address) should anyone else require them.
Well this is disappointing to say the least, I thought maybe I just missed updates via email. Glad to see people are looking into this!
I am glad I suddenly remembered that this should have happened by now and checked up! Aww, Leicester, why do you have to disappoint me again?
Has anyone contacted one of the projects he personally backed and see whether they'll share his details. He backed Zombie Playground & Double Fine Adventure, theoretically he's given them personal details address etc. It's worth a shot.
I respectfully consider Tom Keene a con-man...
Hi, I have only just read of what is going on. I am very thankful to everyone on here and hope we can all get our t shirts. I will check back more regularly now.