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@Xminus1 nope this can be considered a lost case ... Andrew has probably fergotten about it completly at this point ... What an amazing time to be an Tezuka fan these days (sarcasm) DMP manga cringe come on already ... On the manga side nothing is happen anywhere in the West !!! ... (Only postive thing is that Dororo anime and Belladona movie are coming out next month)
But i have already started to import many Japanese Tezuka manga (collectors editons) some of them have illigal scanlations on the internet, so thhat means i can follow what's going on ... Also a book called the Osamu Tezuka story is coming out in English late this year other than that it seems nothing ...
So any one still here and any new leads ?
@Blake H sadly not ... and getting it back through banks/card companies is way overdue ...
I was actually in a really serious argument with kickstarter some time ago i tried to be really casual and stuff but after some 5 messanges going back and forward they knew there was no way back !!!
I put them in a corner with a gun at point blank range and they just did not respond after that anymore ...
Is there any manner of legal action that can be taken at this point? Know Kickstarter isn't to be held responsible but it seems like they should be able to offer some manner of aid.
I sigh every time I think about this project... it was the 1st time I had backed something. Wish the book was here and glad it didn't stop me from backing other peoples dreams. What I learned from this rip off was to do more research before comminting money (no matter how small the amount.
It really is sad that it ended up this way. I'm not surprised he was throwing our money around. He clearly had no class or integrity.
No the piece of vermin fuck scum had parties with it and drank alot of Alcohol with it ... i saw it in a few of his video's when i was still friends with him on facebook ... he could have bought a car from it or paid part of his house off with it ... but i think a choose to take it easy for a while and blow his money on nothing but trash and not a penny must be left anymore ... i think he never printed anything when he saw he coudn't pull it off he bailed out ... like i said before from that money you can easilly print 1100 softcovers done by someone else the fuck didn't even need to do anything at the point ...
To long ago i have been here DMP had a survey up about the Crater since but seeing the Wonder 3 did not even make it (perhaps because of the bad timing halloween ... and they really wanted in hardcover ... but since they haven't done any Tezuka KS since storm fairy was the last on the made it in the summer ... only stupid yuri/porn manga kickstarters right now ...
@HanZ I think DMP has shown interest in publishing the book at some point here in the west. However who knows when. You should be more concerned that someone ran off with our money probably paid off student loans or had a bender. Who knows....
Too long ago claim a chargeback on my card according to my bank.
Thanks to anyone still here .....
It was a very beautiful idea for one of most amazing Osamu Tezuka's title, but there is no hope to see it go live by Kansai anymore.
Is it possible Crater will be on plan by another publisher for near future? I really love this serie and dream to see it in English with hardcover.
Thanks Fred. As always you are going above and beyond to get some accountability out of Andrew for being a flake and a scammer. However the funny thing is that if you click the Facebook link for Andrew it does not go to any page results... Looks like he's trying a disappearing act.
Sorry for being so silent on this. The holidays and personal drama have consumed a LOT of my time for the past month or so.
I'm going to make one last attempt to get the Florida AG involved in this mess. If they won't bite, I'm not quite sure what else to do. I think this time I'll send them a genuine, hardcopy letter with backing evidence, particularly in regards to the Washington State case. I'll also cite Larry Davis' article along with my all-too-brief local news appearance as well as Kickscammed.
This will, unfortunately, be my Hail Mary pass. Cross your fingers!
I know right. 3 years and still no responsibility taken by Andrew.
Thanks to any one still here , and happy new year . So how many years has it been since this all started ?
Thank you again to those still investigating options. Have a happy new year!
Just wanted to say thanks to you guys who are pursuing our legal options, and who are keeping me (and the others who check back in periodically) updated. Even if nothing comes of it, I really appreciate the effort.
Not a chance at this point...
I want my money back. Can we get our money back?
Sorry for being pretty silent for awhile. Other life stuff is getting in the way of pursuing this with the Florida AG. However, I do intend to follow-up with them in the next few days, but remember that I can't promise anything.
In the meantime, Larry Davis of DestroyAllChildren published a LENGTHY article about this whole debacle. It can be accessed here:
I'll let everyone know what the AG has to say.
Heard back from Rightstuf what an interesting email:
So I got word back about this. Apparently the creator did reach out to us about this project, but when we replied with a estimate he never responded. So as it stands, we have zero involvement with this Kickstarter.
I'm sorry to hear you guys are going through this unfortunate situation. I wish you the best of luck in getting it resolved.
~Anime-Zing Customer Happiness Guru
Digital Manga Press, who are behind a campaign to publish the sum of Tezuka's remaining works in English via Kickstarter, have posted a survey asking about backers of The Crater: https://twitter.com/digitalmanga/status/667160804513353728
I have no idea what will come of this but please respond as this would be a good way to show that we are still interested in the title!
Andrew did write in one of the updates:
We ended up being about three weeks behind schedule and will be sending our finalized digital copy of The Crater to Tezuka Productions for approval on Monday, September 2nd. The digital copy is currently complete and in the very capable hands of our experienced Copy Editor.
As mentioned previously, we are not quite sure how long it will take Tezuka Productions to approve our copy of The Crater. As soon as we get the okay, we will need about 5 weeks for all copies of the book to be printed, shipped to our distributor (Rightstuf), and sent out to everyone.
So was Rightstuf actually involved? They are a massive Manga, Anime sales site. If he did really set things up with Tezuka Productions then maybe one of us needs to contact them to see what's up. I found an email but it's only site related. To get any real information you have to call them but I can't find the number anywhere. If we called them I bet we could get more concrete information.
@Dani well the thing with that is ANN did confirm it with TezukaProductions that's probably the only real action that as taken along with have 2 tezuka experts writing an artice or what not .. we never saw any physical evidence of something being made or that weird story about all those animation cels ... What i do find weird is that TezukaPro didn't seek him out certainly they wouldn't take this ...
This little video pretty much describes Kickstarter in a nutshell
I doubt that would ever come out toe be anything. There's too many people from different countries it wouldn't really work. But I'd love to see someone give Andrew what he deserves.
Fortunately I did not lose much money at all, but this was most definitely a scam. Either that or the person in charge had drama in his/her life... but it almost certainly was a scam. If anyone has any info on the person responsible, please share. Maybe all 1105 backers can file a class action lawsuit against these scammers!
And really @Fred at this point the only expectation is to find out the truth. What went wrong? Why he would do this? What was his true intentions?
The true way anyone will get money is if the AG gets on on this or someone force's legal action in small claims court in Florida. Thank you for doing all this Fred. Glad to see there are people who won't give up.
Hey, tsundere1ftw, where's the lurve! ;)
I have a suspicion that this might actually put some pressure on the Florida AG to do something other than chucking the case into a unused broom closet. I intend to follow-up with them and WILL mention the WFTV segment.
Understand that the TV piece was probably not going to uncover anything new given KCP's black hole-like disappearance. It's the media attention that I was after. I also hope against hope that this raises the hackles of Kickstarter itself so that they'll better respond to backer complaints and institute some protectionist-oriented reforms.
Another thing about which I was happy was the exposure that Kickscammed got. I think that, beyond anything else, Kickscammed along with further legal action from various law enforcement entities will spur Kickstarter to some manner of reform so that they'll finally acknowledge that pledge theft is a real and festering plague that needs obliteration.
Anyway, while I still have serious doubts anyone will see a refund from all this, I see a glimmer of hope that, at the very least, we'll discover just what happened and to where Andrew Nevo fled.
Better than nothing tho, right??
Unfortunately that wasn't the conclusion we all hoped for :-( Very short segment and nothing new really
You'll never guess who I talked to today. It seems the local TV station who interviewed me on this campaign and Kickstarter in general is going to run! The story will air during the Action 9 segment sometime during the 5:30 EST news tomorrow. See www.wftv.com for details on how to access the segment.
I really, REALLY hope this brings us closer to getting some concrete answers as to what happened to this project and KCP. Fingers (and toes) crossed!
And that's the problem @Fred AccountAbility Kickstarter is so hands off it's sad.
The only projects I will even remotely considering backing anymore are from "known" entities, like Flesk Publications or the guys behind the Tome books. Unfortunately, these one hit losers have completely turned me off from supporting the very people for which KIckstarter was originally intended - the moms & pops that couldn't otherwise get traditional funding. In essence, they've ruined it for future, honest project creators.
I STILL don't understand Kickstarter's hands-off approach to everything. You'd think they'd want to do everything in their power to ensure that backers aren't taken advantage of, but they seem to revel in the casino-like environment their business model encourages. To me, it seems like insanity.
@James D White there is official company's like DMP i sure woudn't hope you would give up on them when they are actually do fulfill there promises unlike this lower then insect piece of garbage of an Andrew Nevo that isn't even telling us that he coudn't pull it of.
I would have glady taken an softcover for this even if it was overpriced (which could have been easilly pulled off) then we at least would have gotten it and leaving the extra swag out would have been okay as well at this point.
I gotta admit after this official company's it's where it's at for me only i will never gamble on something like this ever again !!! honestly with the kind of money that would have been no problem if i where Andrew i would have gathered the money and go to publising house and let them print 1100 dammn softcovers send them and apologize we would have respected him then and he woudn't have to creep in the shadows on the internet like the Bitch he is now !!! and still kind of being afraid of a lawsuit everyday.
Having spend hour money on party's and Alcohol like i saw him do when i was still a friend of him on Facebook perhaps he also bought a car from it ... I do think he never actually attempted at printing the book in the first place cause when we asked for pictures he could never show us anything that wasn't digital.
And that's why I've decided to stop backing any new projects. It's just delays, blah blah blah then it does not come out or something like this campaign.
What an effin' joke. Strickler knows damn well that, while admittedly in the minority, deadbeat project creators are a bane on this site. Notice that she doesn't mention ANYTHING about Kickstarter itself helping shafted backers, with the implication that it's simply "let's bury our collective heads in the sand" business as usual whenever a Crater or Totally Messed Up or Mystery Box occurs.
Many people, including myself, have put forward real and concrete ideas as to how to greatly enhance accountability and responsibility into the system, but they continue to fall on deaf ears. Kickstarter hasn't cared about backers since its inception and certainly won't give a damn well into the future. Their one and only goal is to collect commissions. Everything else is NIMBY.
This is why sites like www.kickscammed.com are sorely needed - to expose deadbeat project creators for the thieves they are. They also serve the double-purpose of highlighting the dangers of participating in Kickstarter itself.
I really wonder if/when someone is going to bring a massive lawsuit against Kickstarter for effectively collecting stolen money. I've always thought there should be a somewhat strict approval process, the funds raised held in escrow for a reasonable period, and the total money (minus Kickstarter's cut) not doled out all at once.
Kickstarter makes me angrier and angrier the more they try to justify their lackadaisical attitudes.
Here's an excerpt from a recent interview with the CEO of Kickstarter Yancey Strickler from Polygon about Fraudulent or unsuccessfully rewarded campaign's such as this one.
Just because a Kickstarter is successfully funded doesn't mean it will accomplish its goals. The tales of creators falling short, of failing to deliver for their backers, are not uncommon. It's an issue that has caused the company to clarify its language about the relationship between creators and backers as recently as last year.
More troubling comes the news that in July the state of Washington ordered restitution and civil penalties be paid by one creator who failed to deliver rewards to their backers. It marks the first successful case brought against a delinquent Kickstarter campaign.
Strickler sees this as an anomaly.
"When we look at the 90-some-thousand projects that have been successfully been funded," Strickland said, "and we see here the case in Washington is clearly an extraordinarily rare outlier. But in the instance of a creator acting in bad faith, or acting fraudulently, absolutely the legal provisions that are available when people do that in general, regardless of the platform where it occurs, I think those sorts of actions are absolutely appropriate.
"In this instance, certainly what we want to see is a resolution for backers. I have no idea whether backers are satisfied by this outcome or how people would feel in the end as a part of this. But if someone acts in bad faith and takes advantage and ultimately is using a Kickstarter community, and our brand and our name, to perform a fraudulent act yeah absolutely there should be real accountability for that, especially if it's criminal.
"This isn't the sort of thing that an average creator should be worried about." sees this as an anomaly.
"This isn't the sort of thing that an average creator should be worried about."
If I don't hear anything else in a week or two, I'll phone the person who (I believe) has been assigned this case. If no one hears anything from me for an extended period, don't worry, I'm still pursuing this.
Mark, I'll be referencing the Washington State case when I talk to the AG's office.
I never did hear back from Lauren and it sounds like James never heard from that "Friends of Andrew" person. C'est la vie. I wouldn't get deterred.
@Mark I was about to pay that article. Now is not the time to give up contact the AG of your state about this campaign. Unfortunately in Canada there's not much we can do...
Looks like there is some precedence for this!
@Fred awesome news man. Obviously I have not heard anything from this Friend of Andrew's email I had sent a lengthy email to. Probably just another party of the Andrew scheme wagon we've come to expect. Fingers crossed Fred!
@Fred Leggett That's awesome man !!! Andrew be shiting in his pants right now if he knew we are actually onto something for the first time !!! this is the first time someone has actually taken this problem seriously hope we can get a real result out of this, i had already given up on it anyway so things can only go better from here if only i could do something ... thank you so much Fred just tell me if i could do anything not even being in NA basically limits you to doing nothing ...
Interesting news. I've received acknowledgement of my Florida AG complaint and said complaint has been forwarded to the AG's Consumer Protection Division for review. I've also been given the name and contact number of a person within the AG's office who, I presume, has been assigned the case. My filing was also forwarded to the Dept. of Agriculture and Consumer Services for possible mediation.
The ball is rolling. Slowly, probably, but definitely rolling.
Honestly I'm not giving up. If there's a will there's a way. I want answers not just for us for everyone who backed this.
James, it'll be interesting to see if you receive a response from that individual. I still haven't heard anything from Lauren, not even a noncommittal "Lemme research further", which is disappointing (assuming it reached her).
We need to keep pressing, though. Someone out there is going to run with this, whether it be a state agency or local media outlet.
I sent an email let's see where it goes
@Fred this was posted in the comments here back on June 14th 2014 by a so called friend of Andrew. However that person's only thing they've backed on KS is this project.
"The bottom line is this: THE BOOK IS REAL. IT IS AUTHORIZED BY TEZUKA PRODUCTIONS. IT IS BEING PRINTED NOW AND YOU WILL RECEIVE YOUR COPY. My email address is email@example.com. Although I am not involved with the actual production of the book, I have observed Andrew working through each step of this very long process and would be happy to provide you with any additional information I can provide."
Still nothing from Lauren. I dunno if she got the email or if it went into her spam folder. I had to do some digging to get her address, so it's possible I used the wrong one. However, the one I did use didn't bounce, so...
I don't know what sort of timetable my AG complaint will follow. I may not hear anything for weeks or even months (or perhaps not at all). If I don't receive something from the office in another two weeks, I'll try calling them about my filing.
I don't know who that "Friend of Andrews" person is. I suppose it couldn't hurt for someone to write to that address.
My question is has anyone else emailed this "Friend of Andrews" at firstname.lastname@example.org
He said he backed this and that the book was real back in 2014. Him as well as Andrew radio silence.