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They always say the goal of an artist isn't to make people feel good - it's to make them feel SOMETHING. ;)
Quote of the day from the design notes:"I'm okay with this game making players feel uncomfortable!"
Boy, this made me laugh harder than it should have.
How do I contact Jon and get refunded?
Jon it appears that you made some adjustments to food since 23.2 was released. Please be sure to update the patch notes
@jonathan you have to message jon directly and request one
How do I get a steam key? Backed this in 2013 and haven't played yet!
About that June 2014 release date....
Jon feb 8th in the comments to update 47 you stated that a new build would be up “next week.” We are 2 weeks past bevy week. What is the status?
New build in the internal branch just includes a few bugfixes and some AI framework coding. Basic diplo (according to the final design) will be included in the next big update.
There was a tiny update today on steam. Please post the notes on that
Where are the promised February updates per update 47?
I think one of the key elements from this point in history was the interaction between people and pets. I am hoping we get an update soon on how people/pets will interact in the game and the deep modeling behind this feature. For example, having a pet cat makes your people better at fishing and having a pet parakeet helps you sing better, so your people stay happier and more content. A pet snake would make you a better at deceit. You get the idea.
Or perhaps some movement on the original premise.
I'd take either.
It's cute that Jon thinks anyone would buy his bullshit at this point.
Don't expect excitement for these "updates." That bridge burned, crumpled and fell into the gorge a long time ago.
Five years. New idea. New timeline. Same old, same old story - No finish line in sight.
Great story, but that wasn't mentioned anywhere in the ptich for the kickstarter project. I want a finished product or a formal apology and admission that money was taken in bad faith.
As someone who also tried some self employment in development, I can fully relate to Jon.
Imagine building a house, but your vision is only 1m and you can't walk until you finished your current task.
You need to fully concentrate on your task, but you can't do that when in fear, because of vague
future. So you need a solid financing, and to be honest this kickstarter campaign is none.
You can solve this problem by just delivering garbage, like so many other kickstarters do.
Consider this as a easy way out, lifetime is to valuable for clinging to mistakes.
I'm sure this time things will be different, until something shiny comes along to distract from this project. What a waste of a promising idea.
If you can just update us once a month, and post new builds I'd be happy. Even if those posts are "I have no idea what to do with the end game, any suggestions?". Or "I'm totally burned out, and I hate this game. I blame all of you personally for backing this. Why did you egg me on". Or - evevn "here is an instagram feed of the freeze-dried food I've been eating, while I avoid coding this. Did I mention I started over and I'm now coding this in Ada?"
Thanks for the e-mail update. You have my sympathy for the stress you must have had. Feel better and I hope things go smooth from now on :)
Either creative differences or he sat on his ass doing nothing for 6 months like he has being doing with atg for the last 2 years
Thank you paradox. Now I can lift my ban on your products
News are in: Jon Shafer moves on from Paradox Interactive. Just received via Paradox press release.
Backed this game years ago. The good thing is when you attach a name to a game I know now to look out for it in the future to either get without question or avoid completely. Guess which one Jon Shafer will relate to?
I have personally complained to paradox as a regular customer of theirs. I and others have posted complaints on their forum. They don't care
Bottom line is that paradox has a business plan that requires Jon to do their bidding. Atg is not in their development cycle. Management is not going to encourage an employee to wear themselves out on a side job at the expense of their projects
Hey Jon, The last update was May 8th, way after you joined Paradox.
Your lack of communication is, well "not civilised" to the best of my knowledge.
I mean if "At the Gates" is being released through Paradox and you cannot discuss it , that is one thing - but if not then maybe you should look at finishing the program quickly as it is way overdue.
I think I should start a campaign to boycott Paradox or let Paradox know how John's reputation is going to hurt them.... what do the rest of the paying funders think ?
Whatcha doing with my money?
I left a comment about this game 8 months ago and during that time nothing much has happened. Well I say 'nothing' apparently Jon Shafer has gained employment with Paradox. Great, now we're never going to see At the Gates be completed. This is the second Kickstarter campaign I have seen flounder, but this is small fry compared to the other one. Oh boy...what a mess that was!
looks like he's on radio silence until the game is complete, or he has to do publicity for the release of his paradox project. My cynical bet is that a month before he has to do publicity for the paradox project,he'll go "oh shit" and crunch through a bunch of milestones to have something to show for progress on it.
What happened to this game?
Ok so has the alpha been completed? Due date was sept 30th
wow john put on a ton of weight. wtf happened man... its not to late, get ur life together , spend 30 mins everyday on your body, eat less and healthy and also spend 15 mins a day on at the gates. do not give in to temptation, u are better then this, own up to your mistakes, and communicate with clean goals, people can change and so can u
Can I get a refund please?
I reached out to paradox and voiced my displeasure with them hiring someone of such low ethical standards. I stated that I would not purchase from them so long as I did not get satisfaction on this matter.
Their response was my mr shafer is a valued employee and that they would hope I would reconsider my intentions
I've requested a refund three times over the past year. Nothing. I, too, will start looking into class action.
I've reached out to a couple firms that specialize in consumer class-action litigation. I'll post anything I find out here for those that are interested in participating if something comes of it.
I don't think Jon suckered anyone. The simple fact is that he's incompetent. Now when I look at projects I make sure there is a dedicated project manager who is separate from the lead designer. Someone who understands the business
There is an article on bleeding cool about this.
Here is the link -
Seems more and more developers are being like Jon - put out a great idea, sucker folks into funding it, lose their way, make excuses, and then disappear. There really needs to be accountability from KS, but then, they made their cut, so they are happy at the funders expense. I agree, it is dead. Chalk it up to experience to triple check out a person first before giving them my hard earned money.
Disappointed, though not surprised, that Jon has once again gone silent on this. Seems like the project is dead since Jon isn't answering emails as per below comments. At this point the least he could do is release the most recent playable build so we at least get something for our support and wait. I won't hold my breath...
Kickstarter was a good idea but what I've discovered is that most independent devs are like Jon. Great creativity but must have the structure of a large company to function.
I think we can all safely consider this project dead at this point, and a fair course of action would be to refund backers but I certainly don't see this happening. It seems the legal precedent does exist though if enough interest is here among backers to collectively initiate a class-action lawsuit: https://associatesmind.com/2015/10/26/the-coming-age-of-kickstarter-class-actions/
So... did you hit the pre-alpha milestones?
As the sun sets on another milestone, id like to congratulate Jon for maintaining your impeccable record of failure and your sheer disregard for the 3,000 ppl who financed you. Bravo sir
I've already sent 3 emails, but they don't even respond. This project is DEAD. There should be a button next to "got it" to mark it so I don't have to bother looking this up again....
Well... seems like the game is dead.
It was my fist KS, founded and i will never see it working.
I guess as a huge fan of Paradox games i should be happy though(?).
As we pass three weeks since the last update, Jon again and predictable failed to meet even the most basic task - to post an update. May 7th " I'll also be posting an update for AtG every few weeks to keep everyone up to date"
How can I get a refund? Please advise.
Yeah, agree with Jon. I was happy for this to be a slow burner, but a little concerned about the Paradox announcement.
I really want to be more excited for the Paradox announcement, but I can't when this game is several years behind schedule already, and now it has to share precious little time with a major studio project. I'm hoping for the best all around, but I'm sure you can appreciate my pessimism and incredulity at the prospects of AtG actually getting finished.
Thanks for the May 7 update! Excited to see the new work on this, but also excited to see what you'll be working on next!