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Regarding taxes, yes, the taxman wants his dues. (A saying about this being one of the certainties of life allegedly goes back to 1726.) In Europe, the rate varies a bit, from 17% up to 27%, depending on country. On top of that, the delivery company adds a fee for doing the customs processing for you, which can add another 10 to 15 euros, is my experience. There is a cutoff somewhere in the 20 euros region, I believe, below which the taxes are waived. I've played the game of getting stuff from outside Europe often enough now to know the tax-bill is coming, but it is always a bit of a shock when you learn the actual amount ...
On a different note, unfortunately I have not been able to pay the taxes for my pledge. Something went wrong with delivery at the door, and by the time I had figured out where the package was held afterwards, it was (is) on its way back to the sender. Jonathan, can you contact me directly to figure out how to get the package my way again ? There's no blame towards you, so I'm willing to pay shipping costs again, if you can let me know how much and how to do that. And I do realize this will take some time ...
@Jennie: Oh my goodness! I had no idea you would be hit with such a heavy customs fee. Thanks so much for letting us know, we'll have to figure out the best way to deal with this. As you could tell, our number one focus has been on delivering a product that we feel really proud of, but hidden fees is definitely something we want to avoid. This is the first I am hearing of this, so hopefully this is not the case for everyone, as I know we had a lot of international backers. I can't wait for you to have Troxes in your hands, feel free to direct message me and I'll make sure that is as easy of a process as possible.
all my best,
Hi Troxes people,
I am very disappointed to find that UK customs are gong to charge me £54 before I can get my Troxes... that's nearly $70 (on top of my original spend of $174) which increases the total cost by 40%... I would not have backed Troxes at this price.
I realise you have no influence over UK Customs but maybe this should have been investigated at the beginning so that people could be warned of the likelihood of customs charges...
Very upset, but it seems I have no choice but to pay.
Regardless of that, I still think Troxes look great - congratulations.
Got my troxes today and made my first 4 piece and 8 piece troxes so far, contemplating attempting the 20 piece. So much fun, can not wait to see all the neat things people come up with!
@Glenn, the iPhone home screen image I used is posted here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/move38/albums/72157687811758726 Enjoy!
Hey Jonathan, can you post the photo you use on your phone somewhere? I'd like to use it as my lock screen too! It's so beautiful.
@Peter Thanks so much for this wonderfully supportive comment! So glad you feel this way and I welcome the sage advice. I look forward to sharing more and soaking up more wisdom along the way :). Also, I'll be sure to keep you posted when I am in the Boston area next as I always enjoy meeting a new friend, in person!
Jonathan, I think your decision to brand the TROXES individually is absolutely a wise decision. I agree that the logo you've developed "looks quite elegant". And the fact that it's appearance will be subtle rather than "in your face" is consistent with the overall fine design sensibility apparent in the entire program.
Please forgive some some unsolicited counsel from an experienced, aging but still very active marketing guy from the clay brick industry. In universes of relatively undifferentiated products or products that invite barely legal copying, a compelling brand name, brand image AND logo are invaluable assets. By designing and placing this elegantly simple logo on each piece, your brand name was compelling from the start. Your brand image building all along has been discreet and therefore powerful. I think with the logo you have found the third leg of a sound, stable three-legged stool. So - my counsel is: Find a way to make certain that placement of that logo is NOT "too expensive down the road." You have created an exceptional product. Do not neglect creating the exceptional business that the product deserves.
If you are in Cambridge again, give a shout. I reside in the Boston area and would love to say hello in person. I wish you every possible success!
Hello! Do you have any other way to buy it? Do you have your own website?
Thanks @Ryan! Can't wait to send them your way. Looking forward to sharing the journey of getting them made as well :)
We are so proud of you Jon!!! Nate and Cari and I are looking forward to the troxes
@Natasha: We had such a great time at Maker Faire, and excited to have you along for the journey!
@Chris: Thanks for the kind words and these are important points for first time Trox builders. Just to clarify the reason for numbering the individual pieces is that there are a number of different modules that can be constructed (i.e. 4 pieces creates a Tetrahedron, 8 pieces creates an Octahedron, and 20 an Icosahedron, and there are there are plenty yet to be discovered) I tend to build mostly Tetra and Octa modules since they play so nicely together. So to be clear, a maker can decide to construct 50 Tetra modules or 25 Octa modules... or any combination. The fox head up top consists of 6 Tetras and 3 Octas, totaling 48 pieces to construct. Perhaps a maker kit could also be used to construct the body :)
I found and tried Troxes at the MIT Museum this weekend. Great invention! The kids and adults all loved it and were easily able to construct the modules with just a little guidance to start. Somehow the kids seemed quicker than the adults.
Here's a tip regarding folding the loose sheets. Always pre-fold the sheets the same direction, with the indented crease facing either 'up' or 'down'. Use this folding direction for *all* the Troxes that will be used at your school or facility, not just the modules made by one person. This will ensure that all modules will connect together properly, regardless of who made them or when. Otherwise you will have a mix of 'left-handed' and 'right-handed' modules that are compatible only with their own kind.
This suggestion will be unnecessary if future versions have printed graphics on one side, which can help standardize the folding direction. Troxes do not inherently have a 'wrong' folding direction, but long-term user satisfaction might be better if the product instructions simply declare one direction as officially 'correct'.
As a separate comment, the current version of this Kickstarter page uses the term 'pieces' to refer to individual sheets and to completed modules (made from 4 sheets). So a prospective Makers Kit backer, for example, might be confused about whether they will receive 200 sheets or 800 sheets (for 200 modules).
The founder Jonathan is a super nice guy, eager to share this invention with young builders everywhere. Best of luck with this Kickstarter campaign!
So nice to meet you guys at Bay Area Maker Faire! This campaign is awesome! Congrats and I'm so excited for you to make these a reality! :)
It seems to be a great Pleasure. Looking forward to it
Alright!!! The stretch goals have begun! Counting up from 52 pieces per pack! Keep getting the word out :)
@SCALAR I have an update with respect to the weight. Each piece weighs 0.0747oz or 2.12g. I'll show the scale I used in the next update, since I also calculated how much the Record Breaking SerpinskiTrox would weigh... Surprisingly, it is under a ton.
Woah, this is great @Nathan I could see you drawing this math directly on the Troxes themselves so you can simply label edge lengths :)
The calculations for their volumes are quite a bit more fiddly than I imagined:
Volume of a tetrahedron= ([length of vertex]^3) / (6 * √2)
Volume of an octohedron= (√2 / 3) * ([length of vertex]^3)
Volume of an icosahedron= (5(3 + √5)) / 12 * ([length of vertex]^3)
If you want to be nice and accurate, you would need to add three triangular prisms per side: (1/4) * h * √(-a^4 + 2(a*b)^2 + 2(a*c)^2 - b^4 + 2(b*c)^2 - c^4).
If you could make a cube (simple) and a Dodecahedron (SLIGHTLY less than simple, http://www.instructables.com/id/Dodecahedron-Modular-Origami-Ornament/) as well as the three Troxes then you could do a lesson plan about the Platonic solids instead. I found this lesson plan online with a quick search: https://meangreenmath.com/2013/08/15/full-lesson-plan-magic-squares-2/
For more fun, check out this video on youtube (perfectly classroom safe!): https://www.youtube.com/watch…. Once you've shown how the Platonic solids are constructed with so many exact shapes to a vertex, you can then show that, for instance, the shape of a regulation Basketball is topologically just a funky cube. :)
Finally, if you could make each Trox with a different arrangements of color on each face, you could use them like polyhedral dice, and teach probability and odds.
Hi @Nancy! Great question. A number of teachers at the Maker Faire were inquiring about the same for their classrooms. Do you think this is a necessity for teachers? I would love to find some help in creating these lesson plans as the Troxes lend themselves to so many great lessons. (i.e. using rulers to measure the dimensions and figure out the volume, measuring angles and understanding different types of triangles, learning about edges, vertices, faces.) A number of teachers also inquired about using a die cutter themselves in the classroom, would love to know if that is a better fit, as I want to make the classroom pack most useful for a class. Maybe less Troxes and more instructional materials? Lend me your thoughts, I do have a bunch of material, especially from my recent presentation at MoMath that fits right into a classroom.
I see you have a classroom set, is there curriculum or lesson plans or a community of educators already available and accessible??
Thanks! @Tracy: I think you are on to something with the color request, I wonder how other backers feel. Maybe custom colors could make it into the stretch goal list :)
@David, Totally. The first one of each volume that I made has a secret note inside of it, sort of like a time-capsule. I am actually now curious to know where those ones are, who has them, and what exactly I put inside of them :). Oh! and recently for the Kickstarter video, I realized that Troxes don't like wind very much (especially for Stop-motion animation) So I put my keys inside of them to give them some heft. I guess you could put all sorts of stuff inside of them... maybe even packaging for fruit!
@SCALAR Great question! I am actually shocked that I haven't put one on a Gram scale yet. I am going to ask around the Maker Faire to see if I can way a stack of them and take the average. I would love to see some Troxes in flight!
Hey Jonathan! Huge congrats on your launch, reaching your goal, and all that's still to come. This is an elegant and exciting project that obviously means a great deal to you. I'm thrilled you've had such a great debut here on Kickstarter. Of course, if it were up to me, I'd have a set of Troxes in Cyan, Magenta, and Yellow ;-) Best of luck for big success and far reach! Tracy Holmes, Creator, BreakThroughColour
Very cool! Can you hide surprises in a Trox?
How much does 1 "piece" weigh? Trying to figure out how heavy some of these builds would be... perhaps they want to fly.