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Update #29

iPen 2 Development Update and the Launch of Cregle ‘ink’

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Dear Backer,

Our primary focus is, as ever, the iPen 2. While we have been beset with delays, and incurred significant additional costs - we made the decision from Day 1 that we would rather delay the release of the iPen 2 than to compromise quality. We greatly appreciate your continued patience and support.

We launched the Cregle ‘ink’ for the following reasons:

1. To raise additional funds to support the continued development of the iPen 2

2. To gain brand awareness among general users

3. To take advantage of technology we had already perfected

4. To take advantage of the market awareness for general use fine-tipped styluses following Adonit’s release of the Jot Script

This month marks the 20th month that the iPen 2 has been in development and we are now within striking distance of our goal. The iPen 2 tests head and shoulders above other styluses on the market. Other brands, like the Jot Script, have less accuracy and no pressure sensitive. We can’t wait to show you, our faithful supporters, and the market where our long journey has taken us.

An additional infusion of capital will help us run this race faster as we sprint to the finish. We are tapping every last resource to complete this project, and to complete it right. Any help you can provide in directing potential partners or investors to us on AngelList at https://angel.co/cregle would be greatly appreciated.

“Winners get up one more time than they are knocked down.” We are rising to our feet for the final time and would be grateful for a helping hand.

Additional Receiver Holder for iPad Model

As we mentioned in Update #27, we have re-engineered our receiver to add extra support and ensure peak performance. The images below show how the receiver now comes with a transparent supporting enclosure that securely attaches to the iPad. The iPad 4 and iPad Air model will use the identical receiver with a different replaceable enclosure.

The 30-pin receiver, on the other hand, is different from the Lightning connector and requires a completely different mechanical design and tooling, which will cost an additional $50,000 to develop. The 30-pin iPad models will require a Bluetooth receiver which we will build as our business grows or with an infusion of additional capital. The overwhelming majority of those with 30-pin models have switched to the iPad 4 and iPad Air which our current designs accommodate.

Revised Stylus Design for Better Charging

During our continuous testing with the iPen 2, we found that inappropriate placement of the stylus into the charging chamber would result in an unsatisfactory charge. To ensure the proper charge of the stylus, we revised the pen cap design as shown below. This final design provides a cleaner look and will further optimize the user experience.

Stylus Charging Chamber
Stylus Charging Chamber

iMac model Development

Our development with the iPad model is mostly done, and we are now picking up our pace with regard to iMac model development. We will update you as soon as we have any news ‘fit to print’.

From all of us here at Cregle - Happy Holidays to you and to yours.

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      Creator Julio Cappa on January 9

      Always the same answer "Please wait for 2 weeks to process your refund"
      It was two months ago...

      Someone in same situation?

      I´m feeling stolen

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      Creator Dana Topley on December 24

      I believe in you and your product. Push thru and let the bygones be bygones. Do not allow these non-technical comments distract you from the technical issues ahead of us. looking forward!

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      Creator Barrett Dent on December 20

      @Chi-Hsiu Good request, Cregle - please provide this measurement.

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      Creator Chi-Hsiu Liang on December 19

      I have to say I am not worried with the dotted line ending that many ppl here have referred. That program was meant to be dotted as the machine reads signal in a discrete way. What is more serious is probably the lag. I will hope cregle to tell us how much the lag would be in units of mini seconds. It is in fact easy to measure. You can draw a straight line across the screen in just one second. Since the screen size is constant, simply observe the lag distance between the pen tip and the tracing dots will easily get you the lag time.

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      Creator Chi-Hsiu Liang on December 19

      Does Bluetooth model work with thunderbolt model?

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      Creator Barrett Dent on December 18

      I am still pretty upset about the change from the case solution I backed to crappy dongle.

      But my biggest concern by far is the horrible lag and dotted line endings in the video included with update #26. That video utterly destroyed any and all faith in your project.

      Everything since then is just icing on the cake. I want to ask for a refund. But if I do, I'd be hurting everyone who backed. Besides, from what you've told us, our money is pretty much depleted.

      You've stated you're seeking other investors and you've launched an alternate product to try to offset all the refund requests. This sounds dangerous financial game.

      Are you really going to deliver a usable product in the next 6 months or less? Or are you just digging a deeper hole by continuing?

      I for one want to know that others aren't getting dragged into the same crap we've all been through.

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      Creator IVAN VELASCO on December 17

      @Cregle: I believe in your work and will continue my support. I prefer to wait for an excellent product. Thanks for the updates.

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      Creator Cregle Inc. on December 17

      Re: iMac model
      We'll soon release update for the iMac model as we're working on it now. We will not cancel the iMac model.

      Re: 30-pin backer refund
      You can send us private message to request refund.
      We did not cancel the 30-pin model. Instead, the Bluetooth model will be a much better choice for 30-pin backers as it does not require any connector. We're negotiating with investors now to get more funds, and we hope we can start the Bluetooth model when we finish the iMac model.

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      Creator Steve on December 16

      Are you actually going to put out the iMac product? If not I would like a refund.

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      Creator Evan Mannweiler on December 16

      Are you going to do the same thing to the iMac users that you've done to the 30-pin backers? It appears like you've known for some time that you needed to cancel that project and didn't. It makes me think you've waited to tell everyone so that you could avoid paying their refunds. You kept putting off info about the 30 pin connector, always saying it was coming soon. You've been doing the same thing with the iMac model.

      I have a feeling like the iMac users are going to hear about cancellations soon as well.

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      Creator Eric Leblanc on December 16

      @ Cregle, I'm à 30 pin connector iPad user. If we won't receive our iPen 2 like the lightning connector users, then I officially want a refund. Please confirm that either I will get my iPen 2 or my refund. Thank you.

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      Creator Cregle Inc. on December 16

      We're truly sorry for the decision we have to make for 30-pin backers. Please wait for 2 weeks to process your refund.

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      Creator Dana Topley on December 15

      working in the world of architecture and construction, there are two lessons I have learned on many occasions:
      (1) manage change; and,
      (2) learn when to draw the line and fulfil your commitments to your Client.

      I have approached my most recent project with the same attitude and can respect wanting to deliver the most current product rather than something that is outdated the moment it is released to the masses. I am here with my current Client now and in their case, this is a huge opportunity given it is not costing them any more money. As I am going to update to the Air myself, others should still have their 30-pin model satisfied unless you get 100% commitment from your backers that this is no longer necessary. Sometimes a hard lesson like this will provide a much bigger learning opportunity - I think you should become creative with how you are able to come up with the funds to complete the project. Regardless, you have to define what the endpoint is as a constantly moving target (moore's law) will likely never be satisfied.

      I am prepared to accept something less than the most current given it delivers to what the campaign sold me on. The learning and manufacturing should be easily achievable.

      If you need any help with brainstorming some solutions, I will give my time and effort to help you thru this. It is not the lack of effort or the loss of money that is the issue - at this point you have to finish the project and take it for what it is. use this learning to create a killer iPen3 which is almost what you seem to be trying to achieve now.

      I stand behind you and am here to help if you need me. your intentions have been from the right place and it is time to lean on other professionals for the advise on how to get thru to completion!

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      Creator Richard Gaitskell on December 15

      I backed the project requesting the pen for my iPad 3 with 30-pin connector. I still want the pen for that iPad.

      We are being well and truly "Cregled" over this.

      After waiting so long the company announces that it won't be supporting the 30-pin connector after all without a further ransom of $50k.

      We are being asked to pay again for the company's bogus planning and poor
      engineering controls. This is very contrary to the spirit of kickstarter. Looks like we funded somebody's idea of a boon-doggle project - a project without discipline, or a well defined end.

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      Creator Michele Luigi Grassi on December 14

      I want my money back!

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      Creator Barrett Dent on December 14

      Maybe it's time for all of us iPen 2 backers to start talking about our legal options? Given the admission of their sad financial state, it seems highly unlikely we'll see our money back and it's becoming uncertain we'll see our backer rewards either. And even if the rewards do materialize, it's not sounding as though many of us will be even remotely satisfied with the result. Nor that the results will even remotely resemble what was promised. The very least we should be discussing is preventing others getting sucked into future projects.

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      Creator Joshua Wells on December 13

      This project was initially founded on improving the iPen 1 and making customers of the iPen 1 happy. This is the basis for which I made my decision to fund your project. From Project Update 5, "We made several mistakes back to iPen 1, and we want to make it right this time … and we want to make it up with iPen 2 now". The iPen 1 only supports the 30-pin interface. How are you making iPen 1 customers happy by not supporting their existing hardware? This is

      Requiring an additional $50,000 to support the 30-pin adapter is unacceptable and is in violation with the Kickstarter Terms of Use. I want to give you the opportunity to succeed, but without a revision of this most recent update, I will be forced to withdraw my donation.

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      Creator Kathleen Neylon on December 13

      What does this mean for those of us who still have the 30 pin connector and do not intend to upgrade?

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      Creator Bill Lisse on December 12

      Not supporting the 30-pin adapter violates the Kickstarter terms and conditions.

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      Creator Bill Lisse on December 12

      This is useless to me if it does not support the iPad 2 (30 pin). The iPen 2 was supposed to be designed for the 30 pin adapter. Please, tell me that us, 30 pin connector model users, will receive our iPen 2 at the same time as the lightning connector model users.

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      Creator Rameshor Sangat on December 12

      Now I realise that when I backed iPen 2 for iMac was just a dream. Technologies are ever changing and if you do this kind of delay again and again than you people will never reach your final goal.

      What is the point for making perfection for iPen 2 & ink when we have been waiting for the first promised product that taking 20 months & still not completed, What a funny joke.

      Now just need to know that is it going to ship soon or not ?

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      Creator Evan Mannweiler on December 12

      I also have a hard time believing your development on the iMac model is "mostly" done and yet you have nothing "fit to print".

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      Creator Evan Mannweiler on December 12

      Cregle told me in the beginning of September that they already got more investors. If they've already gone through the $368,000 that Kickstarter pledged, plus whatever the additional investors already put in and STILL can't demonstrate that they have a working product, how and why would they get more investors?

      I was an iPen 1 supporter. It was a terrible product. I told myself that this one would be much better because it wasn't their first attempt and because the iMac version would certainly be easier to produce. I'm not feeling positive towards my experience with these guys.

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      Creator Steve on December 12

      I am a little bit confused... You have spent more time working in the iPad version than the iMac version? Wasn't the main goal the iMac version and the iPad version was 2nd to this? It seems you could have had the iMac version out already and have been working on the iPad version on the side..... Not really happy with this update.

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      Creator Kenneth Kwek on December 12

      Two requests (from an early iPen1 backer): give us clear instructions on how to ...

      1) inform you that one would like to switch from 30-pin version to iPad4 or iPad Air version

      2) request a refund
      2.1) If you can honor the refund request, please do so promptly
      2.2) If you cannot (because of insufficient funds), please say so.

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      Creator Barrett Dent on December 12

      So far you've deviated from the 4-point detector case you sold us all on in your initial iPen2 design and produced a dongle design nobody would have backed - because dongles suck! Not to mention they are incredibly prone to breakage. You've taken so long that you've admitted a huge number of your backers have changed their devices. Launched another project (and marketed it to us) while continuing to delay our project/rewards. Leaving serious questions about whether our funds were utilized to develop a totally different product. You mis-used kickstarter backer updates to market your questionably developed other pen project. You've demonstrated an incredibly inferior looking pen video of your "tests" showing massive lag and terrible dotted line result. We learn you've refused requests for refund from understandably disappointed backers. Now you're admitting you've basically run out of cash and can't complete the project and fulfill our rewards without an infusion of additional cash? And you think that cash infusion is going to come from us? What do you take us for, idiots? You've already ripped us off. We aren't dumb enough to fall for again. Especially not with your crappy inferior substitute product! I no longer consider myself a 'backer' now I'm just a 'victim.' I know that of I ever receive my 'reward' it is likely to be so far-gone from what I backed, it'll likely be little better than trash.

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      Creator Jeff Clendenning on December 12

      Disturbing. This would normally be a non issue for most. Desiring to create the most epic pen in the world is an admirable goal. However, with how fast the tech changes, perhaps you should just finish what you have and ship them out? Then take the extra time to fulfill other orders. At least you will have a somewhat positive and dedicated following with those who receive theirs. That would then generate happiness in at least some of your customers who would go to bat for you. As it stands now, you are just dragging the Cregle name so far through the mud that it's becoming a negative connotation; such as, "you surely Cragled that design", or "you're pulling a Cragle". I was one of your major advocates but as it stands I can no longer allow myself to stick up for you. Just get on with it buddies. What you have is good enough. Stop with the perfectionism and get what you have out the door before it's too late.

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      Creator Daniel Khan on December 12

      How long until iPens iMac models ship out?

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      Creator Evan Mannweiler on December 12

      Two issues I see:

      1. You said, "The iPen 2 tests head and shoulders above other styluses on the market." As far as I can tell the iPen 2 doesn't actually exist. We've seen early stage tests that certainly weren't anywhere near what we should expect for 20 months of development. We've seen product mock ups of the pen, but I don't think we've seen any evidence that your pen is a real product. How could it test better than your competitor's products if it isn't finished?

      2. I'm an iMac user, so this next issue isn't even my problem, but looking at your revised receiver mock up, it looks to me like you the receiver plugs into the ipad and the stylus plugs into the receiver to charge. This makes me think the only way to charge the stylus is from the iPad, which is itself a battery powered device. Is that wise?

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      Creator Dietmar Matzke on December 12

      Did you read the message? Did you get the information in it?

      For me, they run out of money (already or in short term) and as long as they did not get fresh funding there will be nothing in the queue to the customers...

      Instead of speculating about them to deliver different models I personally start to speculate about getting anything (either refund (seems impossible) or iPen2 (idem)) in return for my funds.

      Seems to be "blown in the wind..." - Just my humble opinion.

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      Creator Eng-Jon Ong on December 12

      Oh dear, so my original pledge for the ipen2 for the ipad 2 is not going to be developed without more money?! Because all the money has thus far been used to develop a design for the newer iPads? Sorry, but this is very very frustrating... I have kept up hope, but the above update is making me loose it real fast... I am not one of the "overwhelming majority" that can just buy a new ipad when one comes out..

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      Creator Alejandro Alkhatib on December 12

      With the new design of the attachment mechanism, will I have to remove my iPad case to secure the iPen 2 receiver?

      Also did you receive my request to change to the iPad Air model?

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      Creator Eric Leblanc on December 12

      I have a 30 pin connector and I don't intend on changing my iPad for an iPad Air. Are you saying that you are postponing the release of the 30 pin connector model? Because the iPen 2 was supposed to be designed for that model in the first place. Please, tell me that us, 30 pin connector model users, will receive our iPen 2 at the same time as the lightning connector model users.
      Thank you.

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      Creator Dan Schmitz on December 12

      I am only interested in the iMac/Thunderbolt Display model. If you are in fact done with the stylus design, what is left except to create two points that will aid in orientation and possibly a USB dongle... I don't get it. Why continue working on something that is ever changing with high priority? You have been overtaken by Adobe now, and they are definitely not the fastest reacting company...

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      Creator Howard zelaznik on December 12

      Thus, it seems as though I need to upgrade my ipad to the Ipad Air. Please just tell me directly that the answer is yes or no...

      And, if correct that I need the ipad air, that you will send out an email giving me a chance to switch my order to the lightening connecting ipen2.

      Thanks, Howie

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      Creator Dietmar Matzke on December 12

      Is that the reason for not reacting on refund requests? Not to say "for refrain from paying the refund"?

      Your request for additional funds... Hmmm. I'm suspecting to see neither refund nor iPen2.

      Just my 2ct

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      Creator Lucas Tabachnick on December 12

      Does this mean you are dropping the 30 pin connecter model?

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