by inXile entertainment
Where is Linux version? I can only see Win and Mac on steam - good try, but no.
bumped my pledge for the beta, but more to help out with a bit more funding for this and Torment, cant wait to get my hands on it guys!
Excellent, can't wait to try it on OS X!
Oh well, I could have gotten the $50 level + $10 beta instead of the $75 level and saved $15.
Last time I checked participating in the Kickstarter meant that the backer was looking to be involved in a meaningful way in the development of the game. I am not sure what is more fundamental than Beta testing. Even better, you don't have to participate if you don't want to, but you can reap the benefits of your fellow backers' hard work.
Not going in for beta. Normally I'd be all for helping, but I'll just end up burning myself out on while testing and finding everything, so that when the game's actually out, I won't feel like playing through again. :p
It's like with Starbound. I tested the thing inside and out, and I really don't feel like playing it now. I'm not going to touch it again until they've finalized it.
@Bruce - no, you have to wait longer because they want to put out a quality product. They estimated. They estimated low unfortunately. I paid $20 back in the Tides of Numenera Kickstarter for early access to the Beta. Other people are paying $10 now so, yeah, I'd be pretty pissed if they just handed people the beta because they were unreasonably ticked. I paid money to play early. Why should you get for free what i paid $20 for??? Oh yeah.....they're 'late'. Whatever Bruce. These guys are producing some quality gaming from what I've seen in the 30 hours I've played. They keep us up-to-date, and there is light at the end of the tunnel. This is WAY better than other kickstarters I've backed. I'm thinking that maybe kickstarter isn't for you. You should just wait until the game comes out and buy it in the future I think.
@Brian Fargo - so are you ready to go back to publishers? I'm not sure if all this "great user feedback" is really as cool as you think it is. :)
Typical kickstarter tomfoolery. I really thought out of inixile and doubelfine, one of them might get it right. I guess I was wrong. No more backing projects for me.
Sounds like a pretty good deal to me. Only $10 for a preview of a game I've already bought? Sign me up!
Seems like a good deal to me. And I'd gladly jump on it, but I don't see a Tux icon on the Steam page. Oh well, guess I'll keep waiting - and my ten bucks.
@Bruce: You don't work in software development, do you?
@Tyler: Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
@inXile: Keep up the good work, guys.
@Aaron prices depend on a region in Steam. It's $30 in mine.
When can we expect to bet keys for the beta after payment. Just paid today for beta access and would like to start playing :).
wow, that's a long list of tweaks and fixes, kudos and well done to the team!!
@ragnarok now - at the 50USD level you don't get the second novella :)
lol! I have to actually pay to give comments on beta? How low can you go...
@sismis You don'tneed to pay to comment on a beta, but you do need to have access to Steam Early Access to play the Beta, which if you do not have, you need to pay 10 USD for. I paid for Steam Early Access, others who paid minimum should not have access until later.
Called it. :D
Still don't understand why people are up in arms for getting access to the Beta (which their current tier totally doesn't entitle them too which they knew at the time of backing) for much cheaper then what the rest of us paid for it, or it's steam price...
Bit of a bargain really, especially if you're on the cheap $15 tier.
Guess people just like being angry at the world even when there's no reason to be. /shrug
Some people don't like paying to work for a company. Really, no one should like the idea, but here we are, paying to perform unskilled labor.
I dont see anyone up in arms, theres 60000 Backers and heres like ten complaining? Worse things have happend, even within updates of this particual kickstarter.
@Someone: You don't work for them. You are not expected to report a single bug. You get to play a early version of the game, have fun and if you feel like it report bugs. Or tell the devs what could be improved and see them possible implement your suggestions. Stances and other combat stuff in this update were implemented because of beta access players asking for them. You can be that guy.
Or you can just play the game and have fun.
Or you can leave stupid comments here...
why do you feel that these commentes are stupid? I feel that additional PAYING for already PAID product (in advance!) to get unfinished preview is just nonsense. Not that I request to see what they have done. I don't care. Just wanted to give some good old free advice if I see anything wrong. However, to have to PAY for it..lol..
Beta is not playing for fun. Beta is testing and is far from enjoying it, if you want to make it any good.
Where will this end? Will I need to pay to access gameplay videos? Lol :)
@Archangel - very well said.
@sismis: Why didn't you complain about this when this KS was still ongoing and you could see Beta tiers that offered beta access for more $?
You could have said "I don't agree with this practice" and not support it. It is not like inExile hidden this information from us. We all knew how it would be from 1st day Pledge tiers were up on KS.
If you feel entitled to anything at this point, that is your own fault, not inExile.
didn't see it. I don't feel entitled at all. I just think it's stupid to pay to be able to run buggy code and give feedback..
Well in that case you really have no case. It would be like drinking poison from a bottle clearly labeled Poison and then suing the people that make that poison.
Next time be sure to read things before you give money for them...
Im shock. Complaint from backers using KS as a preorder...
Never seen that before.
Thanks for the update!
@sismis: You should have backed a tier that included the beta. Only beta testers can do official bug reports and suggestions. You can still use the forums, though. Oh, and playing the beta is super fun. Hahahahahahahahahahahaha
@Archangel - again, very well stated.
@simis - "I just think it's stupid to pay to be able to run buggy code and give feedback." As Archangel said, you don't have to give any feedback if you don't want to. You don't even have to buy it just to play it. But for a lot of us, we're having a really fun time getting to play it...even buggy. One of the things I'm enjoying is watching it evolve. User interfaces, interactions with NPC's, new NPC's that weren't there before, etc. It's insight that I've never really got to see first hand. It's not just bugs.
Now, having said that, there is a sacrifice to that insight. The game is definitely going to lose much of the "release day magic". Not just that I have to replay the first parts of the game that I've already played to death...but knowing "oh, there used to be a bug here" or "this character used to say this but now they've completely changed what they're all about" is sort of like watching "the making of X movie" video. It spoils some of the magic. I don't know if I'll take part in the Pillars of Eternity or Tides betas because of that. I'm torn.
I'm interested in the beta but don't use Steam. There another way to get in?
Disappointing that 4 months after the initial suggested date, you choose to reward your already backing costumers by offering other people the game to play first and a chance to give you more money, good to see loyalty means something to inxile.
Don't bother defending the project people, I'm just sharing how I feel, save your terrible analogies and smug gloating about playing for someone else, I'm don't doubt this will have no effect of meaning at the end of the day and it's their right to have gone about it the way they have, especially when people will jump on any non positive opinion, good to see crowd sourcing means little more then money these days.
Guess it was worth the lesson to be much more discerning when backing anything, if I do again on here, and a project like this that would obviously be successful I'd simply be better off, or at least no difference, in waiting for the prebeta deluxe steam edition.
Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
People like you are the ones the make the comments on KS so toxic.
Maybe you should buy games when they are released if you dont understand the difference between supporting a project and a preorder.
Always baffles me when people expect to get something for free that others have paid for (i.e. beta access). I'm an original KS backer too....and never expected "free beta access". I paid extra for it. Would never have expected to get it for free when it was never promised to me in the original kickstarter project. Just busted thinking.
I love all these people complaining about getting early access to the game. You know, you don't have to play it yet, right?
beta access should *not* be charged. I thought it is a common sense that, if you can have playable beta, just release it for people who already paid (shareholders) to see -without charging. If you can't have it, then no problem. Beta access should not be in any pledge level whatsoever in the first place.
Oh wait, how about a triple alpha - if you paid 20$ more, you can get access to code rendering a static scene? And first-early artistic pledge - for a 15$ more, you will see wallpaper a weeks before the others!
Get this? Or has the world come to an end with selfies and people camping the night to get the product first..I must be too old..
@all complaining about beta-access
There were projects that offered instant access to a pre-alpha which I backed and: it was worth it. The possibility to influence a game in a direction I would like it to go was a real interesting experience. And I was quite happy that I paid more to do so.
And even IF they were offering a pledge level that gives you access to wallpapers one week in advance...If someone WANTS to pay for that, why not? I would not back a project like that, but I would FIRST read the terms and the pledge level and THEN decide if I want to support these guys. Reading, what you support does not seem very common with you (or you do and decide to complain later... that tells a story as well).
Look, listen, choose, act. It's always that simple.
This isn't 'working for them' or 'unskilled labor' if there are bugs, and it crashes, I would assume a bug report would be filed and they can fix it. Better than, say, Bethesda releasing a buggy game and reporting it to them, to hopefully get a patch a few months down the line.
You are getting to play in the beta, if you dont want to, then dont pay the coin, or if it was part of another package, just dont download the bloody thing. Dont try and soap box an option that has no impact on the bigger picture 'someone'
This isn't the final release, this isn't forced, this isn't even misleading, it says it's a beta early access. And not one of those 'the game launches next week, here's the beta' kinda crap, this is one that will be unfinished, it will have bugs, but if you want to, you can still play it, it just wont be perfect.
Unlike a lot of games that fully release just broken and unfinished, like Aliens: Colonial Marines, or that crap Rambo game that just launched.
As for others, this isn't an open beta, it's an option for backers, and the steam early access folk. so yes, you 'paid' to comment on a beta, but what you really did was back the game, something you are going to be getting at a reduced price (Kickstarter, their website) or for a digital collectors edition (Steam) that just happen to have closed beta options.
Complaining that coin is involved is just foolish, smells more of troll than anything.
This whole beta access has this thread thrown into two camps it seems. Having backed a number of projects that grant beta/alpha access at higher tiers I have backed at these higher tiers to play the early alpha/betas, but in the end I rarely played them due to my limited time. Whether they are worth it or not is for each individual to say. With that said, I can see how people feel jaded. Being early backers, people will feel jaded when they backed a project and allowed it to gain traction and in no small part allowed that project to become reality. They feel a certain entitlement. Now, is that entitlement justified is the question. Obviously, for those that are expressing their concerns for being left out, the answer is, yes. For those that don't see kickstarter as a pre-order, then you view point is you feel a sense of pride and honor in helping a project become fruition. Who is correct? Well, both are. People who have paid money are entitled to their opinion and should be respected whether you agree with it or not. For those that feel jaded, this will be a learning experience that can be applied in the future and they will vote for a project with their future pledge or no pledge.
With regards to the estimate delivery date. Having been in engineering for a great number of years, I can attest to dates slipping all the time. Should I expect it or be happy with it, of course not. When I go to my boss and tell him my estimate date of Oct 2013 is not going to be met and the real ship date is Oct 2014, my boss isn't going to be happy with me. Matter of fact, my boss may fire me for being so late. When I go to the mechanic to fix my car and his estimate is $1000, but I return after a day and the bill is $2000, should I just accept it and pay for it? I highly doubt anyone would. Yes, this is a simplified analogy, but the basic premise still holds. Now, with that said, I don't mind the project date slipping and I know the estimate was done in good faith, but the development team still needs to be held accountable to some standards. I am fine so long as the project completes by the end of the year.
"People like you are the ones the make the comments on KS so toxic."
*Shares how he feels, is attacked for it* Yes clearly it's people like me that has made KS so toxic, a place where criticisms of a project or how it was handled are not welcome and attacked by groups of people jumping to defend them no matter what.
Nice strawman arguement (something so popular round here it seems, to the point people are willing to throw money at people talking about them and attack anyone who dare point it out) Dungeoncrawl. I didn't say I expected it for free and last I checked money left my back account and went to inxile. Nor was it even the basis of my issue, if this was on time, or they offered beta because they where so behind the deadline they set it'd be something else, but at least 32 000 original backers where step over so they could provide other people the chance to place or ask for more money (which only recently did they think to offer a split the difference price for those people).
"the difference between supporting a project and a preorder." and "Don't let the door hit you on the way out." vs "Guess it was worth the lesson to be much more discerning when backing anything" and "good to see loyalty means something to inxile."....again clearly it's me being toxic here, not you.
But whatever that was left for inxile (not that I believe it matters or would make a difference to them) not for you to judge, surprisingly doesn't seem all that relevant, certainly not enough to affect my opinion on how I feel this company has treated it's backers and the value they put in loyalty (which shockingly will likely affect any future purchases with thier name attached, even on full proper release titles).
Well, "save your terrible analogies and smug gloating", as you posted, seems a little more offending than just "sharing how you feel", isn't it? So, in the first place you came along and attacked people because you don't share their opinion, but now point fingers at people who treat you the same way? Really?
@Sam - you DO want the beta access for free. You paid for the completed game...you didn't pay for beta access and somehow are disappointed. It's like you purchased a meal and are mad that other people purchased an appetizer that you didn't get. If you want an appetizer, BUY the appetizer. Don't voice your disappointment to everyone about how unfair the restaurant was.
@sismis - if people will pay extra for it, by all means companies should charge for it. If they can charge $100 for beta access and the market will bare it, they should. If people don't buy it, they'll mark it down or give it away for free. It's capitalism at work.
At first I was aggravated that my beta access wasn't showing. Then I went back, checked my tier and remembered, "Oh yeah, I didn't opt for that." She how easy that was.
Beta saves won't transfer to the completed game, correct?
Did you all change your minds about disabling tier upgrades for good after update 39?
Oops. Looks like it never actually said that, just some add-ons. What were the add-ons that were removed?
My beta key is still sitting cobwebbed and blue in its corner due to the lack of Linux support so far. Any updates on that?
Maybe an option to beta test the beta? ;)
What is the timeframe to get released on OS X? Can't wait to get my hands on release version!