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Ok, This is it, I want a refund. I've backed Neuroon V1 and by a miracle - received it. The V1 was and still is worthless.
I had some hopes for you guys, but well, truth be told - you failed.
I have no idea what you dedicated the time and money from both campaigns, but it definitely wasn't invested as it was supposed to and not with us in mind.
Eh, classic crowdfunding scheme :/
@Neuroon Open - r e f u n d
So are we getting a refund? How can we get a refund? its sad when people take advantage of others.
Please provide a refund.
I WANT A REFUND. THESE PEOPLE ARE SCAMMERS AND STOLE THE MONEY.
Beware of their new scam: http://cardiotechnology.pl/kontakt-z-nami.html
I would like a refund. I also orderd a headset. This has taken to long of a time. This is a trick and you have taken our money. If not atleast give us the heardwhere. I want to have Good Faith in People still.
@Robo. Please join the facebook group and contact me. I would like to give money to you and the Polish backers to hire a lawyer to get the money back from these crooks if they don't refund me.
REFUND MY MONEY...
If i have to stay here, i will contact the European Commission as well as the Polish Academy of Science and inform them of you deceptive methods to grab more and more money.
It is obvious that public money should be withdrawn from your fraudulent hands IMMEDIATELY. Hopefully there will be some jail time too.
Refund my money and I have no reason to keep posting and wont have access to the comments or updates. But until then, we will keep digging and expose all the lies you are telling.
creator wrote: "Kickstarter and Indiegogo campaing is being run by american Inteliclinic INC "
This is EXACTLY the same story like the Kraftwerk disaster: www.kickstarter.com/projects/ezelleron/kraftwerk-highly-innovative-portable-power-plant/posts/1155892/comments
They too had to file for bankruptcy in a November (and then lied to us for half a year) because they had run out of money and told backers not to worry because the campaign was run by an INC (they had only set up to run it in USD). When i urged everyone to file their claims to the main companies bankruptcy i suddenly got a full $298 refund to silence me in the comment section :-(
Of course i read that the main company here is still in operation. Just as it was with the Kraftwerk-disaster. That does not mean that in the process of getting fresh money the company gets converted into a new company. And then the new investors decide what their fresh money is used for.
And @all remember, that they also must have burned $1M of European aid money (read far below) on top of our money.. You only have to file for bankruptcy when you have run out of money.
If we do not file our claims in the current bankruptcy proceedings, the new investor can cheaply buy the intellectual property and the INC that is running this campaign will simply say to us: sorry.
As the proceeding already started in Nov 2017, the deadline might already have passed.
@Thomas Kamil is still alive and as a founder and shareholder still supporting the company. Since the company main focus now is production and managing legal issues I'm the one who coordinates it. Moreover I decided to jump more into communication with you guys. Hopefully little bit more successful than Kamil 😂
@Robo Durden You pasted information about one of the companies in our group. Kickstarter and Indiegogo campaing is being run by american Inteliclinic INC which the restructuring process does not concern. The restructuring process is completely different than bankruptcy. This is a new opportunity for a company that the appointed court supervisor has positively assessed. Please, read the information that is beyond the link that you have pasted. I quote: "The opening of the restructuring proceedings does not adversely affect the operations of Inteliclinic sp. z o.o. The company - as it has been so far - conducts business operations, implements concluded contracts and may conclude new contracts."
@Spencer Patterson , Jean-François Baure is an admin of that facebook group, so joining it to organize an opposition makes no sense at all. Read my posts below.
from the translation: "19 December 2017 (file reference No. X GR 102/17), accelerated arrangement proceedings were opened for the company INTELICLINIC sp. Z oo with its registered office in Warsaw "
As i said, they had run out of money already November last year...
Normally in a bankruptcy proceeding we would have file our claims. Otherwise, the "new Ineliclinic" might no longer be bound to fulfill our pledges.
And of course, i would not trust the "old inteliclinic" who have lied to us for all the past months.
So of course we should contact "Zimmerman Filipiak Restrukturyzacja SA has been appointed as the court overseer for this proceeding".
But with the those active fan-boy backers here i see no chance for any opposition..
Let’s refund our pledges. We couldn’t wait any more
@Jean - thanks much for your persistance & all the effort you are giving into the project. I do really hope Janusz presented us with the genuine state of affairs. He did not mention Kamil at all, nor his new big cardio project, anyways a nice gesture and 'sort of' reassurance for all us waiting and believing that this project is still alive.
A new update is available on Facebook:
It is reassuring about the production: a new investor will help to put the masks into production in a new factory (forget in-house production). But still no news about the IOS/Android mobile app development (beyond production, this is the 2nd hurdle for the completion of this project). If you think this mobile app matters a lot, join us on FB: https://www.facebook.com/groups/255864745162107/
Hi, I am woundering wht is happening to the neuroon I orderd?
When will it be deliverd?
OMG What a chaos
@spencer that’s the message back from Kickstarter after I reported them
Join this group on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/255864745162107/
We are trying to start legal action.
@Robert: This is blatant theft and fraud. They took all our money and ran. Went bankrupt and didn't do anything with the project.
So if you were hoping to hear from these thieves, don't bother. The money has been stolen and I am never backing another project.
If you guys have gone bankrupt, at least send us the headphones and the hardware, working or not.
If bankruptcy is the issue, at least be honest about it, clearly Kamil Adamczyk has gone to start a new company, his linkedin shows this. He now is Co-Founder at Cardio Technology, give us a post, say you ran out of money and apologize. We paid your salary so you can attempt this product, it was a good idea, so be honest about the failure.
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Jul 4, 4:38 PM EDT
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Though I can't assist directly with getting a reimbursement, I am here to help. Hiccups can happen along the way when bringing a creative idea to life, but that shouldn't turn into a bad experience for you as a backer. I hope this matter is resolved soon and am happy to help if you have any other questions or concerns.
Any response from Kickstarter or creators?
EVERYONE WHO BACKED THIS PROJECT... THE DEVELOPERS STOLE YOUR MONEY AND FILED BANKRUPTCY SO NO ONE CAN GET THE MONEY BACK. REPORT THIS PROJECT TO KICKSTARTER ASAP!
Just like you, I am one of the unlucky ones that backed this project. As you have surely noted, the employees and founders of Neuroon have not been active in communicating with us and nobody seems to have any idea how (or if) the project is advancing.
That is why we have created a group in facebook with an aim to improve the situation of all backers. We will discuss our possibilities and perhaps even seek legal action. Feel free to join our discussion and aid our common cause!
@Ragway: yes, Europe has funded both Inteliclinic (1.7 M$) & Cardio Technology. They might be interested to know that Inteliclinic has gone bankrupt despite their large funding. We are going to let them know.
Just reported it.
For what good it will do, I've reported it to kickstarter. Maybe they can help, I know they've investigated things before, but it's still unlikely anyone will get a refund. I ripped the video of the thieving, lying weasel and put it on youtube. https://youtu.be/ArQnB7y2sv4 I can't believe his next venture involves implanting things into peoples brains. That's one project I really hope he fails on
Let's all be honest here. We fell for the hair. Well, that and the stethoscope
Isn't the European agency for SME (which granted 1.7 M€) bothered to see their money go to waste ? I mean the guy got money from public investment (basically money from taxes) not only once but twice ! At one point, they must realize that this guy is selling (lucid ?) dreams and getting away with it...
Full scam. If I don't get a refund, I will never back another kickstarter project. I am ok with losing all my money if an attempt to make the product in good faith was tried and they failed. This was a pure scam.
@Robert. Ok for the risk of crowfunding but on this 2nd project, they were largely reduced by the existence of Neuroon v1 (the hardware & associated basic app) and the experience gained by Inteliclinic to deliver to backers (even if it was plagued by delays). How to explain that 3 months after two fundraisings and a ~2 $ EU funding, the first employees start to leave the company and 5 months later Inteliclinic filed for bankruptcy ? Again: the core of this 2nd project is the IOS/Android mobile app development (I mean the full fledged app) and except screenshots in october 2017, what do we have ? (oh yeah, hardware production problems).
Do not hesitate to leave commentaries at the end of the previous article :
...or even on the Inteliclinic rating on Google:
@Yuriy - you can’t. This is the unfortunate risk of crowdfunding.
Hello! who knows ways how we can refund money from this project??
So in the end, it seems it was a scam ... Founder's new company began in March and he stopped working in Intelliclinic in June. The person recruited for lucid dreaming left the company in November while the communication officer left in October. The company has filed for bankruptcy in January and yet he still made a follow-up in May. From what I gathered, he must have already quitted when he made this facebook live. This is where the scam is really characterized, knowing you will not succeed and still trying to lie about it. Of course, I am still hopeful or dreaming that this backing will have a nice end but I guess I am dreaming . Too bad for my first backing of a Kickstarter project, not a really good incentive to continue backing other projects. So thank you Neuroon, you not only have disappointed backer but you also have made people more reluctant to back other (more honest) companies ...
Here is an article on founder's new project (surprised he got a grant...) :
I’m a Kokoon backer. They will still deliver. Their campaign has no nothing like this shambles. They could at least send us the bits as a self assembly kit, but I guess can’t afford the postage.
I must admit I was naively trapped into thinking they would deliver on this one (lets face it, KS = failure big time) as they had already sold a reasonable volume of version 1 and seemed well on track. That was my last KS for anything besides games. I'm in the same boat with Kokoon and Angee so yeah, 3 out 3 mega failure.
How can Inteliclinic sp. Z oo can be indebted at the end of 2017 ?
...when during this year it made:
- 1 901 104 $ (European Union funds from Horizon 2020)
- 439 143 $ (Indigogo)
- 357 769 $ (Kickstarter)
... nearing 2.7 M$ for the fiscal year 2017.
Well.. that's it guys, money is gone for good. They filed for bankruptcy so.. no going back. As for cancelling the transaction I doubt your credit card would oblige for such a scenario considering the delay since we made payment and the fact that Kickstarter would certainly not be keen to it.
I wonder what we've got left to do but it won't be to recover our funds, it'll be more for therapeutic entertainment value at this point. Failures can happen but the way this has been handled has been above dishonest - there has been plenty of opportunity to communicate that things were going sides ways but instead we got silence and eventually a 'live session' on Facebook that was meant to make us believe there was still something happening.
Don't expect any form of update going on.
From The Poland Bankruptcy Court:
Inteliclinic sp. Z oo
Status: In progress
Court: District Court for the capital city of Warsaw in Warsaw, 10th Commercial Department for bankruptcy and restructuring matters
Dear Sir or Madam,
Please be advised that the decision of the District Court for the Capital City of Warsaw in Warsaw, 10th Commercial Department for Bankruptcy and Restructuring, dated 19 December 2017 (file reference No. X GR 102/17), accelerated arrangement proceedings were opened for the company INTELICLINIC sp. Z oo with its registered office in Warsaw (hereinafter referred to as "Company "). Zimmerman Filipiak Restrukturyzacja SA has been appointed as the court overseer for this proceeding. The function of the judge-commissioner is performed by SSR Piotr Kędzierski.
The opening of the restructuring proceedings does not adversely affect the operations of Inteliclinic sp. Z o.o. The company - as it has done so far - conducts business operations, implements concluded contracts and may conclude new contracts.
The basic change is the protection of the Company against enforcement proceedings (prohibition of initiating enforcement against Inteliclinic sp. Z oo and the fact that debts incurred before 19 December 2017 will be subject to restructuring on the terms specified in the arrangement proposals (arrangement proposals will be delivered to each creditor at its headquarters in the coming weeks).
The creators have filed for bankruptcy and claim that all of our money is gone.
Call your credit card company now as soon as possible and see if you can get your money back.
Any update creators?
Would it mean that Inteliclinic has already sought a sort of chapter 11 bankruptcy procedure ? (which grants a debtor what is known as an automatic stay from the enforcement actions of creditors).
i've asked to join the FB group....
CEO Just quit with our money... Everyone needs to be mad and thinking about legal action.
How do we know what was in those boxes? Could be dildos. The owner of the company changed his linkedin and basically took the money and ran. WHAT A JOKE! Calling my credit card company now. Someone needs to start legal action against this company. No contact, not answering facebook, email, nothing. I sent them a message on facebook asking the status and they blocked me. BACKERS NEED TO BE OUTRAGED RIGHT NOW ABOUT THIS!!!!!!!!!!
So... last update is a picture of boxes being loaded in your car and..nothing for one month again. Come on guys, this is turning in an absolutely insulting joke.