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    1. Major Glitch just now

      @The Avatar - It might be a minor point to your overall argument, but every time you say "with shipping it will be $150" I'm worried people will read that and be scared off by the idea that shipping costs will be so high. I'm not intending to detract from the point you're making, I'd love to see the printed rulebook contain all the official rules for the game, and I'd love for IDW to chime in about the issue regarding the misleading original promise of "everything is included", updated shipping estimates with the add-on, and the reasoning for the small discount (I'm assuming some of it is a set amount Nickelodeon get via the license agreement). So if you're going to continue making the point about cost, saying "at least $113 after shipping" would be more accurate for US backers at it accounts for all available information.

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      The Avatar 7 minutes ago

      Again @Major a minor point of my post that doesn't change the nature of my statement one bit. Your shipping calculations have been noted

    3. Major Glitch 12 minutes ago

      @The Avatar - Again, I believe it will be very unlikely that there will be a completely seperate cost to ship the addon, it will likely be included in the same box as the deluxe edition and therefore only increase shipping costs by a few dollars. It saves us money and it saves them money and time to do it in one package. Since they didn't indicate that the expansion would be fulfilled seperately from the core pledge, they would be crazy to do it as a whole seperate shipment.

    4. Major Glitch 15 minutes ago

      @Azrael - Yes, there will be, and yes, you can add items during the pledge manager (based on their response of "$1 now will let you increase to a full pledge during the PM"). They haven't said how long it will be.

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      The Avatar 18 minutes ago

      Posting again for visibility

      Im seeing a lot of mixed reviews here as a result of this new expansion.

      I think those that are upset by the additional cost have a point - the wording of this campaign did heavily suggest that the addons were included in the cost making this a very appealing deal. Especially since there is basically no incentive to get this second product on the kickstarter level by only saving $5 (which many people pointed out will likely be surpassed in shipping costs vs say ordering from amazon anyway). I would like to say that this is an exception since this expansion does act almost as its own stand alone game, but it would be impossible to play without the core version.

      However, this expansion certainly shouldn't detract people from purchasing the main kickstarter package. Its still a great deal even without the added expansion.

      I will reiterate a main point of mine, and I hope to get a response from @IDW @Jessey @Sen given this new jump in price. At almost $100 (probably closer to $150 with the separate shipping costs) I dont think its unreasonable to ask for the sudden death mechanic to officially be added to the rulebook and get a cardboard/glossy sudden death board rather than just a pdf. This game is certainly an investment for anyone getting the entire set so I expect consistency all the way through - including the quality of all its parts and pieces. Playing on lose pieces of print out paper in an otherwise beautiful game is a huge shame that could easily (and cheaply) be remedied. I would even be willing to pay an extra $5 for that bump in quality to make it an even $100.

      At the very least maybe that upgraded could be given to those supporting both the core kickstarter product and the kickstarter expansion? Anything to make this aspect of the game feel official and not like something I just whipped up at home and printed out

      I look forward to a respo

    6. Azrael, Angel of Death 26 minutes ago

      @IDW Games
      Will there be a pledge manager?
      Can you add addons during it?
      How long will it last?

    7. Paireon, lumberjack of Brimstone
      Superbacker
      about 1 hour ago

      Welp, I'm guessing 250k will be the minimum for this campaign; if the final 48 is good enough we might get over 300k.

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      Nicola Brunoni about 2 hours ago

      @Jessey
      Thanks! The flexibility is definitely something I had not considered. I imagine then that you can copy any Trick as long as it does not produce specific elemental tokens (with rules such as deflect, amplify, ...)?
      The real question then being, how would it work with other Tricks that make you put down/manipulate specific fire or earth tokens (ignite a spark, over the line, and many others)? It's still a Water-bending card after all.

      Maybe a little bit of realism has to be conceded in order to not over-complicate the card?

    9. Jessey Collaborator about 2 hours ago

      @Nicola

      With respect to Mimicry, J K Nyte is correct that it “still in play” means you can’t copy a trick that is one use and your opponent has already used (as that removes it from play). The reason you might pick Mimicry is because it gives you 3 tricks to pick from, AND, notice it doesn’t restrict you to copying a water element trick. Mimicry will allow your water bender to copy any trick (so it has quite a bit of flexibility, at the cost of limiting yourself by your opponent’s choices).

    10. chrisWR about 2 hours ago

      Idea of things to add to Amon's box with a light cost for you : blanck Team board with 3 additional mini (copy of existing one that we could paint with other colors) to create our own team.

    11. chrisWR about 3 hours ago

      "Amon's invasion is expected to retail for $35.00. " => If shipment grows up with this adding, it will cost more than the real value. We take the risk, you take the money ?? Please, at least add something for pledger : Tshirt, additional miniature, poster.....

    12. chrisWR about 3 hours ago

      "Amon's invasion is expected to retail for $35.00. " => If shipment grows up with this adding, it will cost more than the real value. We take the risk, you take the money ?? Please, at least add something for pledger : Tshirt, additional miniature, poster.....

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      Nicola Brunoni about 3 hours ago

      @ H1ghdra
      My guess for the 6th unrevealed Team would be the Platypus Bears since they play against the Fire Ferrets and are featured more than the Lizards.
      Tigerdillos are another option but Korra wasn't part of the FF yet.
      I was hoping to see the Buzzards today because I am so afraid they made a mistake and forgot their Fire Bender is female (according to minis I have seen on Beasts of War)

    14. H1ghdra about 4 hours ago

      Mini silouttes*

    15. H1ghdra about 4 hours ago

      Just alittle observation: day 11's team emblem has a sort of wing outline, and the buzzard wasps are the only canon team left named after a winged animal that I am aware of (using the wiki). And today's team emblem has a pretty long text block so maybe Mongoose Lizards?

      I don't remember enough to make guesstaments off of silouttes.

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      Nicola Brunoni about 5 hours ago

      @J K Nyte
      That seems the most reasonable way to see it for me as well, it would be too limited in scope otherwise.
      It does not look like a great card to me even with this interpretation to be honest. Since you have acess to the same Tricks as your opponent I don't really see why you would give up part of your planning (picking the Tricks you want) just to copy what your opponent has. But maybe there are some nuances I am missing that would benefit copiying your opponent's exact Trick as some sort of nullifying countermeasure.

    17. J K Nyte
      Superbacker
      about 6 hours ago

      @Nicola Brunoni, I take the "still in play" as the tricks still available under the player's team board. Any trick that has the red circle with a slash and has been used are discarded and are no longer in play.

    18. J K Nyte
      Superbacker
      about 6 hours ago

      @Nicola Brunoni, I take the "still in play" as the tricks still available under the player's team board. Any trick that has the red circle with a slash and has been used are discarded and are no longer in play.

    19. J K Nyte
      Superbacker
      about 6 hours ago

      @Peter "Wizball" Wilson, fortunately, the rest of the reveals are all things that will be included as part of your pledge and are not add-ons.

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      Nicola Brunoni about 6 hours ago

      I was re-reading some Tricks that have been revealed so far and a question came up about "Mimicry" (Boar-q-pines update). What does "still in play" mean? Do I get to copy any of the 3 Tricks the opponent still has "at his disposal", or just one that has been played in the previous turn and so is "still in play" in that sense?

    21. Antonio Gerard Arceo about 6 hours ago

      With the current price of the expansion at 30$, I hope they keep the same shipping rate and if the shipping rate is different, I request that they provide us an estimate of how much it would cost to ship the base and the expansion.

    22. Peter "Wizball" Wilson
      Superbacker
      about 7 hours ago

      I have taken the plunge and got the addon but to be honest if we just keep getting addons each day i will just drop out totally this is at the limit of what I will spend on this game.

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      Nicola Brunoni about 7 hours ago

      @Shiro
      Thank you for the clarification! Makes much more sense now!
      I was quickly going through all the comments and must have read Jessey's reply about fans out of context.

    24. Shiro the white wolf
      Superbacker
      about 7 hours ago

      @Nicola the yellow fan limit is only for the coop mode against Amon to counter the fact you don't need to roll the foul die in that game mode. In a normal game there is no limit since the die works as a balance of the techniques

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      Nicola Brunoni about 7 hours ago

      I am not sure I understood the yellow fan limit, that is completely new to me.
      So I can only have a total of 3 fans, be it from tricks or technique cards, and that is it?
      Even with a fouls-heavy team like the Wolfbats then, if I for example just give one technique with a fan to each Bender, I have already run out of allowed fans? So no Tricks. That seems a bit harsh as a limit, but perhaps necessary because fouls are so good?
      I still find it pretty restraining nonetheless

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      Savy Mariettos about 7 hours ago

      The extension Amant is much too expensive. I am sad that it is not in the basic game. I think a $ 65 game with $ 15 shipping is already quite expensive

    27. Immanuel Aquino about 9 hours ago

      +1 to sudden death board included

    28. Major Glitch about 9 hours ago

      Thought: if you're on the fence about the Amon pack & related shipping, just wait until the pledge manager to add it and then you can see if the additional shipping cost is something you're OK paying.

    29. Major Glitch about 10 hours ago

      To be more succinct, the "base" cost to ship something is roughly $7, + size and weight. An add-on should not incur an additional base cost, as the two boxes should easily fit in the same shipping box, meaning the additional size will dictate the cost increase more than weight (since most carriers charge a base rate of under a certain weight, so the number of boxes they can get into a delivery vehicle dictates the most % of cost.)

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      Juan Suzanne about 10 hours ago

      I know we are a really low minority by far, but places in RoW, specially those with custom/post office problems to get things inside the country, the discount is great help (even $5).
      Almost all the KS I participate, end usually going all in since the shipping is nothing compare to try to get them separately

    31. Major Glitch about 10 hours ago

      I'm basing the shipping extra on the fact that they will likely use a larger box instead of a seperate box. Weight is more in paper elements than in minis. The estimated shipping for the main pledge likely included all the extras, not just the core box. I have done plenty of mini-heavy kickstarters, and I would be surprised if the core+add-on tops $25 for US backers.

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      The Avatar about 10 hours ago

      @Ben I completely agree. I havent been on this comment page since the release today and im honestly shocked at the backlash. Nothing about this scenario leads me to believe we were intentionally mislead but I do understand how people were taken back by this given the original wording of the pledge.

      With that being said, if im going to pay this much for a game I want it to all look nice and consistent with each other. For $100 theres no reason the sudden death rules cant be included in the rulebook (or at least a secondary 'expansion' rulebook with all the addons) and a nice looking cardboard/laminated sudden death board rather than a piece of paper I print out. That doesnt feel any different than homebrew rules to me at that point which again at this price, I expect more from

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      The Avatar about 10 hours ago

      Either way thats a very minor point in my statement and my point still stands regardless of the exact shipping

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      The Avatar about 10 hours ago

      @Major the expected shipping of the core game is $15 in the US. Since the expansion is being sold as a separate piece so its actually entirely reasonable to assume the expansion (which ill remind you is its own box separate from the game) would be equal the cost in shipping. Why would someone who buys the 2 separate games pay the same shipping as someone who just buys the 1?

    35. Ben about 10 hours ago

      @major - not the best comparison because Cthulhu wars minis are more like maxis, but one expansion from them adds almost thirty bucks. My shipping went from 30 to 60 with a couple of add ons. So a mini-based expansion costing that much isn't all that crazy depending on the size. I also think about $15 was added onto my green horde pledge for an expansion.

      But no, I don't think we'll jump quite that much here.

    36. Major Glitch about 10 hours ago

      @The Avatar - It's a little hyperbolic to assume the shipping will jump that much with the addon. It is fair to assume the shipping increase will offset the $5 savings off MSRP, but the extra package will in no way add an additional $20-30 in shipping cost.

    37. Ben about 10 hours ago

      @ Avatar

      Honestly the only reason the expansion price / wording upsets me at all (and it's really not that upsetting to me), is because there are no stretch goals.

      The $5 savings doesn't give any incentive to back it now instead of waiting. Like you and I have said, after the extra shipping, that five bucks is not doing anything for us. Amazon is a better option. IDW don't need a funding bump mid campaign if there are no stretch goals.

      This could have been revealed on the last day to make it less upsetting.

      The big thing though is the wording. I hate when things are worded in a way that probably isn't intentionally misleading, but are so close to that line that you just can't tell. It's just frustrating. But it is what it is. Maybe something will be done about it, though I doubt it, and that would be cool. If not... It's not the end of the world, and the base game still looks awesome

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      The Avatar about 10 hours ago

      Im seeing a lot of mixed reviews here as a result of this new expansion.

      I think those that are upset by the additional cost have a point - the wording of this campaign did heavily suggest that the addons were included in the cost making this a very appealing deal. Especially since there is basically no incentive to get this second product on the kickstarter level by only saving $5 (which many people pointed out will likely be surpassed in shipping costs vs say ordering from amazon anyway). I would like to say that this is an exception since this expansion does act almost as its own stand alone game, but it would be impossible to play without the core version.

      However, this expansion certainly shouldn't detract people from purchasing the main kickstarter package. Its still a great deal even without the added expansion.

      I will reiterate a main point of mine, and I hope to get a response from @IDW @Jessey @Sen given this new jump in price. At almost $100 (probably closer to $150 with the separate shipping costs) I dont think its unreasonable to ask for the sudden death mechanic to officially be added to the rulebook and get a cardboard/glossy sudden death board rather than just a pdf. This game is certainly an investment for anyone getting the entire set so I expect consistency all the way through - including the quality of all its parts and pieces. Playing on lose pieces of print out paper in an otherwise beautiful game is a huge shame that could easily (and cheaply) be remedied. I would even be willing to pay an extra $5 for that bump in quality to make it an even $100.

      At the very least maybe that upgraded could be given to those supporting both the core kickstarter product and the kickstarter expansion? Anything to make this aspect of the game feel official and not like something I just whipped up at home and printed out

      I look forward to a response

    39. Ben about 10 hours ago

      Also I'm glad other backers are at least acknowledging the poor wording on this campaign - as I said a few days back, the Cerebria campaign is as bad if not worse. Their video literally says"back now to get your copy of Cerebria with painted minis" - but the minis are another $25 to get them painted. *that's* intentional misleading imo

    40. Ben about 10 hours ago

      No chance they're going to stick an optional paid add on in the same box when it's shown with its own box. The best they'll do is leave room in the main box to move the new minis into it.

      Otherwise it's custom packing based on each order, and that just increases cost and time for shipping

    41. Haris Hamzah about 11 hours ago

      @Glitch I had the same understanding. I think the Amon Expansion is a separate box but it would be nice to have it all in one box. Do hope a response from @IDWGames.

    42. Major Glitch about 12 hours ago

      Wait! With Amon's entrance to pro-bending as a contender, does that make this a ... Bloodsport?! #sorrynotsorry

    43. Major Glitch about 13 hours ago

      @Juan - I hope they are standard size for no reason oTher than convenience.

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      Juan Suzanne about 13 hours ago

      I remember at the start of the campaign there was a comment with the quality of the minis and the cards, but dont recall about the size of the cards, was thinking what kind of sleeves will be a good fit for them

    45. H1ghdra about 13 hours ago

      Though, I will state that with the coop rules you could have 2 X benders and 2 Y benders on the board which could eat into the token pool. So I'm thinking the extra tokens are a situational necessity.

      And before anyone States that the Z bender Tokens not is use could be used as a proxy... Shhhhh

      Secretly I want enough tokens available to make my 2 player Vs 2 player a reality.

    46. H1ghdra about 13 hours ago

      @Glitch

      The goal behind my coop/vs suggestion was to get a couple more players in a match with rules we currently have that won't overwhelm the board state.

      I think a 6 player variant with what we currently have access to will either have players doing too much or too little, with player elimination being a major drawback. With that many people I would just do a vanilla tournament alongside a couple other short 2-4 player games.

    47. Major Glitch about 13 hours ago

      @Haris - My initial understanding was that the box was going to fit everything included in the pledge, so if I am correct in that, then the Amon expansion wouldn't fit in the deluxe box. Hopefully we'll get a blue response on this, because it's important to many gamers.

    48. Haris Hamzah about 13 hours ago

      A quick question, will the box fit everything in? Including the Amon Expansion?

    49. J K Nyte
      Superbacker
      about 13 hours ago

      With the interview with Geek & Sundry, surprised that Janet Varney didn't do an actual video interview since she does videos for Geek & Sundry. For those that don't know, Janet Varney was the voice actress for Korra

    50. hair10
      Superbacker
      about 13 hours ago

      "We will reveal a new item for your pledge... These revealed items are GUARANTEED as part of your pledge."

      False advertising that's been changed now. :-/

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