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@Sam: Light Table has been released as open source software (see updates). Therefore there is no need for a license anymore. Everyone has full access to Light Table.
A very late question. I got looking through my emails I cant seem to find a license for Light Table. I got my shirt, did it arrive with it and I just didnt realise or will I get it when it is finished?
Just wanted to say that the progress of Light Table in the last months has been impressive! Check out the change log (https://github.com/Kodowa/Light-Table-Playground/). Thank you Chris and Robert!
I haven't heard anything from this in quite some time. Is everything still on track?
Will there be support for the Zen Coding now known as Emmet? Also, I tried changing the value of word wrap to on and it didn't seem to do anything
Is there a way to get the OSX build to run on 10.7.4?
Watches is friggin AWESOME. Thank you, thank you- I use println gratuitously for simple testing so this is great.
@Warner Maybe beta refers to version 0.9 onwards or something similar. I got a bit confused with the release terminology of this campaign too, but I'm sure you'll get the beta.
In your latest newsletter you mention the beta for Kickstarter backers but I don't think I've ever gotten an email about testing beta versions (that weren't available to everyone). Just curious.
Hi chris, the LightTable is awesome,
but I'd like you to implement python version selecting via some settings or something, I'm running Archlinux which has Python3 by default and Python2 is under different paths and takes a bit of magic to get running properly...
I've dived into Python plugin sources and tried to do this, but without success ...
Could you include this in next version? maybe some switch or settings with path to python interpreter/ipython
Hi Chris, just wondering if you were still planning on having an official launch around this time or will that wait until v. 1.0 is released?
Ryan, no I just use the term loosely, not in a contractual sense of the word. As in, we invest our faith irregardless of whether the project's completion is certain. But yeah, bit of a fail on my part- I interpreted "out of the gate" wrongly.
I have really been enjoying the alpha releases so far. I can't wait to test LightTable with python tomorrow when I have some time. Great job and keep up the excellent work.
Ron your not an investor, you've backed a project which is not guaranteed to succeed, and as a reward for your early backing you will recieve a free license.
You have no protection that an investor would have, and recieve no equity.
Came here to get some clarification on python as it was asked about in the survey. Looks like I found the answer. keep up the good work Chris, as I'm sure you know, a ton of us are looking forward to python. I don't mind waiting a bit to get it right.
'"Out of the gate" means v1 - originally I hadn't even intended on releasing alphas.'
Thanks for finally coming out and clarifying! I think this is all we wanted. You are right and with the Python situation clarified, your progress and updates have been great. Apologies for misunderstanding.
@Paul Don't let me make Pythonists look bad! I'm just approaching this from a crowdfunding perspective.
Wow... chill out people!! And I'm writing as a Python person (and project supporter) who hasn't tried out the alpha yet. Since when did Pythonists get so shouty and whiny?
I've enjoyed reading the occasional but fascinating blog posts about development. It looks like it's going to be awesome. Maybe that's why folk are so impatient.
"Out of the gate" means v1 - originally I hadn't even intended on releasing alphas. To that end, I've shown nothing but progress since the kickstarter finalized. Each release has been leaps and bounds better than the one previous and in no way have I been disingenuous or hiding any effort I've made.
Perhaps we need a solid comparison to understand the amount of work that goes into creating an IDE/Editor. Let's take emacs as a point of reference, just the core of emacs is over a million lines of elisp. Or how about Visual Studio, which is more than 55 million lines with a core team of about 200 and nearly 2000 total that ship something in the box. In the emacs case, it has taken it just shy of 40 years to get where it is, and VS is almost 20. These things will take time, there's no getting around it.
We're all essentially investors and that means we understand that delays can happen. The difference is that you don't communicate. Can't you just tell us about your family issues, or immense demand for Clojure over Python, or licensing issues, or that you just haven't been in the right frame of mind for it, or you wanted to immerse yourself in Python for 6 months to make sure that support for it would be as flawless as possible? If there are reasons, let us know.
There's a difference between unexpected/overwhelming circumstances and lying- and I think as time has dragged on you have slid towards the latter. In my opinion it's okay to break promises. That is, so long as you intend/intended to keep it. However, in the case of Chris Granger, you put up in BIG, BOLD words headlining the Kickstarter promising that right out of the gate, Python would be there. After that, you then never uttered a word about Python again.
Even if you'd been saying "Sorry guys, Python work is slow, but I haven't abandoned it" all this time, it would be good. Right now, Python is seeming more like a lie and a less of a broken promise with hurdles.
I don't think it's fair that we don't have Python support. Please provide an update on that timeline. We have been extremely patient and deserve communication on why it hasn't happened.
Today I learned: "Python will be the third language to be supported out of the gate." means "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!"
if moreThanNineMonths != "out of the gate":
print("Still waiting on Python, mate. If a baby was conceived when you said it would be supported, it'd be born now. It's been that long, Granger. That baby's waiting. We're all waiting."
print("You can't count.")
Also waiting on Python...
Thanks for the T-Shirt!
Can you once again please adjust my pledge level... Paid 500$, stuck at 130$ from some glitch...
I'm sure you've heard this a million times already, but what are the more major milestones required to be met before we can see some love for us python people?
Appreciated! Just received mine, looks great.
they were shipped friday, so people are *just* starting to receive them :)
Hello, did the tshirts get shipped out? I pledged at the $30 level, sent back the survey, and haven't received my tshirt.
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Another bunch of great ideas in here again; http://worrydream.com/LearnableProgramming/, any plans to include any of these features in Light Table?
@Larry Yeah bit more feedback would be great. And ETA for the 0.2 version as well :)
Chris doesn't seem to be elaborating on only thing..
I hope Chris will soon elaborate about the plugin structure; i'm curious to see how flexible it actually is; if it's flexible as I hope it will, this will definitely be my environment of choice for the years to come. Now if they would finish clojure-in-clojure (is anyone working on that still?), I would be happy sticking with clojure as main language for all development.
Any updates? How is the python version coming along? Has your decision to take funding elsewhere cause more red tape or lack of control?
Hey, maybe I missed it, but was the design for the reward tshirt made public?
Is this going to become an exe at any point in time or is it just going to be a software which has to be installed onto a server in order to run?
Hi Chris, I backed you, but interesting I'm also your competitor.
Check http://liveditor.com and you'll see. But it's less innovative than your ideas though :)
However, it's for web front end coding (live, of course).
Oh man oh man oh man oh man oh man... I can't wait to get my grubby little hands on this.
And then get it to work with Common Lisp. unnggffff.... *fap* *fap* *fap*
@Jussi - I disagree, if it is released open source too quickly, the core of the idea will die in a million opinions. To preserve what Chris wants it to be, he should build the core, then it can be released to the world.
I backed this project for the goodness of the ideas and in the hope this IDE will inspire others as well. I do not use Clojure, but the IDE was told to be quite "easy" to be extended to other languages as well. It would be a killer feature for me to view this IDE applied to Node.js (that I can think being a "cousin" to Clojure). Is there any plan for it?
I second the previous comment. Any time frame on a beta? PS I foretell an apple acquisition.
This might be a bit quick but when does the Beta start? Seeing all these videos makes me want to try out it asap :)
This may be a naive question, but what reason is there not to open source Light Table right away? You'd think that open source community would be a great boost in making better product even faster. ps. Loving the project!
This could be the one IDE to rule them all.
Python :) can't wait!
Well done Chris!
Great, Python. I know it may seem I'm just jumping on the bandwagon, but I can't wait to use it for my favorite language :-)