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@Tracey Tayor - great work on driving that article!! I'd like to officially ask for a refund as well, just for the record! :)
Still, pharmac, if he doesn't deliver on the project promise, he is obligated to refund his backers.
NIce article, great that his words have been published. Would make it a better case with the AG that he is willing to refund. Problem is his phrase "as long as it takes" ie., "as soon as I want to". There is no miracle, there is no advanced technology, there is no flash of inspiration. What there is not worth printing here. Next I expect to hear how his plans were stolen, that there was a fire, that the prototype mysteriously disappeared, that he is being hounded by power companies to keep this product suppressed....
I've messaged him on Facebook and through his company contact, no replies.
Good luck in contacting him.
Keep filing complaints through KS, his district attorney and his BBB
Article on page 27: http://pge.post-gazette.com/fullpdf/20150813-POSTGAZETTE.pdf
Does anyone have Tom Joseph's e-mail? He said he's refunding about 25 people who have e-mailed him. I'm sure many more have been contacting him, but I want to try this latest avenue to get my money back from this scam.
One question...... Why isn't Kickstarter the one pushing these things through to the FTC? Why is it left to the backers?
Better head for the Bahamas Tommy........the Feds are coming, the Feds are coming!
@Scott Alan Sumner I'm not aware of anything that has changed fundamentally in the USPO in the last 12 months, and like you, I've searched on ever variation I can think of to find any filings to no avail.
I'm firmly in the "costs me nothing to lie to backers" camp.
Money back or jail
Interesting. Nothing on the USPTO site for this.
It certainly is an approach. However, I'm going to simply ask for my money back. If that is ignored, I think that is telling.
I'm curious is this is Tommy's attempt to keep out of the Fed's cross hairs now that they are taking interest in projects that are scams....
Let's see those patent applications now that you are protected Tommy!
Guys don't let this post get your hopes up, this is just to try and put off action / lawsuit / bringing his other 'projects' at Epiphany into disrepute.
I've made several posts before you can scroll down to in comments, but basically calling Epiphany a 'shirt company' is being kind. They have been doing the "give us money for future projects" rounds since at least 2008, with nothing to show in any area other than one solar demo model the cart around to shows.
Things we know for sure:
- The 'prototype' shown in the video is a battery, with no engine inside at all. I think they may have even said as much, but quick energy density calculations can prove it anyway.
- All of Epiphany's "awards" are just "pay to be given a meal and award" nights.
- People have visited their premises and can see no manufacturing at all, its just an office with a couple guys and a blackboard.
- Filing for patent protection is a common excuse for not publishing details, but a basic 'stirling engine' has been around for 100 years, only 'efficiency tweaks' would be patentable and don't need to be shown in a demonstration . This also does not excuse zero communication.
- All of their 'social media' presence was created with bots, click on any of their 'likes / subscribers' on twitter and such and you'll see they're all random accounts from foreign countries.
- The "retired army general" who said he supports Epiphany has never heard of them and refuses all communication if it's about them.
So whatever legal recourse you plan on taking, don't let this "update" slow you down at all. I wish I was in the USA and could contribute something more to help exposing the fraudsters.
Man, that was one expensive t shirt and sticker. It's a shame too because there are a lot of other KS projects I would support, but now they all look like a scam!
Sign the petition: https://www.change.org/p/tom-joseph-cto-of-epiphany-solar-water-systems-refund-all-your-kickstarter-backers-for-a-product-never-delivered…
CORRECTION to the email address I posted below. Contact me at mysurvey 63 at gmail dot com.
ATTENTION! Anyone interested in speaking with a reporter about this story, please email me at this address: mysurvey at yahoo dot com. I've gotten the attention of a local newspaper. Spread the word!
I had this happen on another kickstarter from Freedompop. they never released the sleeve for the iphone4 which was on kickstarter. After 1.5 years, at least they offered a refund or a replacement product as an option. The same should be done here.
No communication in well over a year...I hope they get arrested or fined.
Will they ever refund my money ?
never got my product. will you send it?
Time to get the Feds involved :
I'd recommend contacting the FTC about fraudulent projects like this - time to get our money back.
looks like some of these wonderful projects are starting to get FED notice... check this out...http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/06/feds-take-first-action-against-a-failed-kickstarter-with-112k-judgment/
this could be a start of a good thing!!!
Hey everyone, I started a Change.org campaign about this. Does anybody have Tom Joseph's email? Every time someone signs the petition, Change.org will send him an email. Ideally this will get some press attention too. Please help me sign it: https://www.change.org/p/tom-joseph-cto-of-epiphany-solar-water-systems-refund-all-your-kickstarter-backers-for-a-product-never-delivered…
I CANNOT BELIEVE THIS COMPANY STOLE $132,739 FROM US AND GOT AWAY WITH IT!!!
They actually just can't properly form an a href link. This is the article URL: http://www.forbes.com/sites/nicolefisher/2015/03/30/water-is-the-core-of-health-sustainable-development-world-water-day-meets-technology/
They also keep deleting my comment below the Forbes article mention on their News page. I keep replacing. DO THE SAME — COMMENT ON THEIR WEBSITE!
They changed the webpage so you can't hotlink directly to that article. http://www.forbes.com/sites/nicolefisher/2015/03/30/water-is-the-core-of-health-sustainable-development-world-water-day-meets-technology/
Call the company at 412-465-0601. You'll likely reach the voicemail of Tom Joseph. I just called and left him a message saying that there were about 365 of us here, writing complaint messages, all of us very unhappy that we've not received what was promised us. I also requested that he refund our money since he was "unable or unwilllng to fulfill the reward." If we all bombard the company with direct complaints, comments on their website, comments to the Forbes article (also mentioned on their website), and also text the founders at the number, perhaps SOMETHING will get noticed as I previously mentioned. I'm commenting on their website now, below the Forbes article mention. I will also visit the Forbes article and comment there. DO SOMETHING! TAKE ACTION. Theft is illegal.
Here is an idea, everyone who is a backer go to the forbes article from the link below, contact the writer Nicole Fisher and tell her about the wonderful product called one PUCK. Tell her about the abandoned project, the lack of good faith, and then ask her "based on this track record, do you believe them?" Ask her to write a folllowup article on the lads and ask them about the future of one puck
I just heard from the PA Attorney General. This does not fall under their purview as a consumer complaint as we weren't buying a product but backing a project.
I guess next steps are small claims or class action.
http://www.epiphanyws.com/news/ Theres their news page with all the businesses they are dealing with too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch… There ya go... There's the fucking scammer with our money still walking scott free. Recent video.
Yeah, we've been pucked.
There are still sites that help promote the name of this T-shirt company (http://gizmodo.com/satellite-dishes-can-turn-toxic-waste-from-fracking-int-1651380272) ; please join me in sending in comments so that these scammers get the publicity they deserve..
I sent an e-mail a couple of months ago to the contact address at Epiphany Labs. Of course, I got no reply. As others have noted, it's now a year since the last update from them on this project. It's clear that they have failed. It's just a shame that they don't have the courage to admit that they have failed.
It's unfortunate that we will likely not get anything for our money, BUT we were warned by Kickstarter that there is no guarantee that a project will succeed even if it is funded.
I would like to know what they did with the $132,739 we kicked in. I guess we are the ones who got kicked in the end, both literally and figuratively.
You know...this really bites the big one. I didn't even get my t-shirt. Thanks a lot! You really did a great job creating a fake product. Actually, I may have to consider opening a criminal case against them because this is literally theft. Granted, petty theft when looking at it from a 1 person situation...but combined, its theft.
Wow, i think we've just been ripped off...No update in a year. This is pathetic.
Epiphany Labs, you should be ashamed. We, your backers, believed in your dream and helped bring it about. You ran from your responsibilities to us and into the arms of large corporate interests. I gave you money I really could've used elsewhere, and now I just feel foolish for having also given you my trust. Shame on you. Shame on you. Shame on you.
You are responsible to do something updates.
If don't update, you will be a scammer.
Kickstarter has not responded to reports on the project. If you go to the "Trust" page and scroll to the bottom then you can "just ask" a question.
Call Tommy here and ask him about an update +1 4124650601 on the project.
Let us not forget about contacting the BBB and filing a complaint. Even though it is for their "sister" company, they have it linked in their profile.
If that does not work, we can request the BBB to open one up for Epiphany Laboratories.
@kenshinjeff Tommy's not logged into Kickstarter for over a year - I think it's safe to assume we have be ripped off.
If you scroll all the way down this page, you are able to report this project to kickstarter.
> Report this project to Kickstarter
> Post-funding Issues
The creator is not communicating and the project status is unclear.
We're into 2015 now, and approaching a year since your expected delivery and coincidentally, your last update. You at least owe this audience an update, everyone else's recourse will be to request refunds.