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Another request from me for a refund
Refund petition: https://www.change.org/p/tom-joseph-cto-of-epiphany-solar-water-systems-refund-all-your-kickstarter-backers-for-a-product-never-delivered/u/13721980
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Some decent honesty would be nice!
What steps have other people taken with this project? I've seen some action from folks in the US. Any backers from Canada have any suggestions on next steps?
Please refund us all; this is getting really sad.
Almost three years later... what's going on guys?
I gave them too much time. I, too, demand a refund.
Funded April 2013... we're coming up on the grand anniversary of one of my all-time worst KS projects. Can't wait to continue to receive no communication, no refund, and no product.
Please refund my money.
Where is my refund ? I signed the petition and this company needs to refund the backers or deal with a a criminal complaint. Do the right thing and refund your backers NOW. https://www.change.org/p/tom-joseph-cto-of-epiphany-solar-water-systems-refund-all-your-kickstarter-backers-for-a-product-never-delivered/u/13721980
I have neither received any reply to my communication nor any refund or even product. This is so sad and annoying! I signed the petitions and responded to the newspaper article. Shame on you at Epiphany.
I have not received a refund either. Signed petition
You have an obligation to respond to the refund. Take the early refund.
Signed the petition, refund please
Signed the petition, I want a refund.
What's your US Patent Office number? Don't mean to be rude, but I really think you are a fellon.
At this point, I would agree, and state that a refund is desired. Sadly, I expect no more than vapor.
For the records: I want a refund as well.
Who has managed to get refunded? Which steps did you take? What can I do to get a refund when I am not an US citizen? I am thankful for all leads. It's been long enough. I want my money back.
Signed the Petition. I want to state here that I need the refund of the money I backed.
Refund for everyone. Nothing to show from this project.
Refund, give me back my money.
Signing the petition. I want a refund.
Signed the petition as well and would also like to state I would like my money back.
Just signed the Petition. I also note here for the record that I want my money back NOW.
Please refund my $130 US$ thanks.
Time for a refund!
Update information if you really develop a product!
Otherwise, you're a cheater.
@Tracey Tayor - great work on driving that article!! I'd like to officially ask for a refund as well, just for the record! :)
Still, pharmac, if he doesn't deliver on the project promise, he is obligated to refund his backers.
NIce article, great that his words have been published. Would make it a better case with the AG that he is willing to refund. Problem is his phrase "as long as it takes" ie., "as soon as I want to". There is no miracle, there is no advanced technology, there is no flash of inspiration. What there is not worth printing here. Next I expect to hear how his plans were stolen, that there was a fire, that the prototype mysteriously disappeared, that he is being hounded by power companies to keep this product suppressed....
I've messaged him on Facebook and through his company contact, no replies.
Good luck in contacting him.
Keep filing complaints through KS, his district attorney and his BBB
Article on page 27: http://pge.post-gazette.com/fullpdf/20150813-POSTGAZETTE.pdf
Does anyone have Tom Joseph's e-mail? He said he's refunding about 25 people who have e-mailed him. I'm sure many more have been contacting him, but I want to try this latest avenue to get my money back from this scam.
One question...... Why isn't Kickstarter the one pushing these things through to the FTC? Why is it left to the backers?
Better head for the Bahamas Tommy........the Feds are coming, the Feds are coming!
@Scott Alan Sumner I'm not aware of anything that has changed fundamentally in the USPO in the last 12 months, and like you, I've searched on ever variation I can think of to find any filings to no avail.
I'm firmly in the "costs me nothing to lie to backers" camp.
Money back or jail
Interesting. Nothing on the USPTO site for this.
It certainly is an approach. However, I'm going to simply ask for my money back. If that is ignored, I think that is telling.
I'm curious is this is Tommy's attempt to keep out of the Fed's cross hairs now that they are taking interest in projects that are scams....
Let's see those patent applications now that you are protected Tommy!
Guys don't let this post get your hopes up, this is just to try and put off action / lawsuit / bringing his other 'projects' at Epiphany into disrepute.
I've made several posts before you can scroll down to in comments, but basically calling Epiphany a 'shirt company' is being kind. They have been doing the "give us money for future projects" rounds since at least 2008, with nothing to show in any area other than one solar demo model the cart around to shows.
Things we know for sure:
- The 'prototype' shown in the video is a battery, with no engine inside at all. I think they may have even said as much, but quick energy density calculations can prove it anyway.
- All of Epiphany's "awards" are just "pay to be given a meal and award" nights.
- People have visited their premises and can see no manufacturing at all, its just an office with a couple guys and a blackboard.
- Filing for patent protection is a common excuse for not publishing details, but a basic 'stirling engine' has been around for 100 years, only 'efficiency tweaks' would be patentable and don't need to be shown in a demonstration . This also does not excuse zero communication.
- All of their 'social media' presence was created with bots, click on any of their 'likes / subscribers' on twitter and such and you'll see they're all random accounts from foreign countries.
- The "retired army general" who said he supports Epiphany has never heard of them and refuses all communication if it's about them.
So whatever legal recourse you plan on taking, don't let this "update" slow you down at all. I wish I was in the USA and could contribute something more to help exposing the fraudsters.