by Defiance Games
Oh well live and learn;I was dealing with a prolonged Illness in 2014 so this project slipped my mind. I recommend sticking with the larger with the larger retail and production sites for KS projects.
This is really bad. No sound no news. I hope KS will look into this and give some advice to us
Well I'm wondering if the new kickstarter rules are in effect for this and there is a snowballs chance in hell of either getting a finished product or my money back.
I knew this KS would be a risk given Defiance Games' already bad rep, so I'm not entirely suprised that it turns out to have been a scam.
I trust Tony Reidy got enough money out of it, because he won't be able to show his face in the tabletop wargaming industry ever again, that's for sure.
And anyone get the feeling saying John Morse as CEO is just a cover up by them? I mean unless he himself has stated?
Well this is, dissapointing...So that means Defiance games up and vanished?
I'm in the UK, fortunately I didn't invest heavily in this project, though its still a loss. This is the first time I've had a KS go bad, I've supported about 10 other projects so its good odds so far. I'll have to chalk this one up to live and learn. I really don't know what other action we can take. Individually we have little chance... I think I'll just back away quietly form KS or only back projects by companies that have proved they can deliver, though that defeats the purpose of KS.
Offical KS word is basically "sucked in, we got our money"...
*I may have changed the wording a bit, but the message still comes through the same.
@Thomas, check the main comment thread. We're pretty much on our own.
Should we report them to Kickstarter since we have not heard from them in many months?
Glad I only threw in seventeen bucks. They changed the size, material, and manufacturer for their stuff from what they advertised to me.
This is the first one to go bad by the developers own choices, though - live and learn, I guess!
This is the 2nd kickstarter that has let me down. Living in Australia this limits my lawsuit options. But I do agree that this should be done by KS... KS should have a way to help us out... We are the poor, the few, but we are the people who make this site work well for those who actually deliver. I will be looking further into this. The law is behind us 100%
THAT's the problem, KS should be the ones suing, not us. It's their company, web-service, and it's their busyness model on the line (-ish)
I didn't put much on this project, as such, a lawyer is out of the question; and that is what they are banking on, no-one will drag them to court for 100$. There's also a lot of ppl from outside of the states that have pledge, they won't be able to sue either.
If you really want to effe them over, just to be spiteful/ vengeful/ want justice ... a case could be made for fraud, if it can be established that they took the money knowing it was not to make the minis, but to pay outstanding debts. (if i recall correctly, they used some other projects money to cover some of the cost or debt from this project)
There's a form I filled which was mentioned on the comments part, no idea what it will do but I urge ppl to fill it too.
I backed 75$, not much comparing it to other ppl, but it's money i could have used for projects that do come through on their promises. And i am pretty sure that as a non-US resident, i'll never be reimbursed.
It's a pity, this has made me weary of projects from first time KS and small companies... sucks for them I guess (and i would suppose KS does lose out too, cuz just like me, other ppl have been burned on KS .... 689 from this project alone.)
"Is a creator legally obligated to fulfill the promises of their project?
Any one know any good lawyers?
It's almost June now, could you at least provide an update?
Well if any of you are in Washington state call the AG up to sue them http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140504/07153727119/washington-state-files-first-consumer-protection-lawsuit-against-kickstarter-project-that-failed-to-deliver.shtml
@Heath, I'm guessing you won't be getting updates anytime soon :(
best bet, is to checkout the KS/DG KS contract and see if it is legally binding and what are they bound to do. Since the project reached their goal (many times over), we might be able to get some legal action through KS and their lawyers; this is not good publicity for KS who gets a cut of the "pledge pie" ... and if word spreads that KS offers no semblance of protection from getting burned, their bottom-line might get a little sting which might make them sympathetic to our case...
Update! I put a fair bit of money into this to turn around and get nothing for it.
Well no updates for 3 months I guess this KS just failed and once again DG has duped the community, Please DG prove me wrong I would hate to think that you just used KS as a means to line your pockets
Well, I guess this KS will be my first backed to fail and where I lose my money. Too bad since I really was looking forward to the minis...
It's been quiet for updates for a while. Could we get any kind of update about how the project is moving along?
Am I correct in thinking that Defiance haven't said anything about this project since they whole fiasco with Torn Armor?
Where they told the Torn people they weren't going to either do the work they'd been hired to or return the funds paid them since they'd invested the funds in making sure this project happened on time?
Ya I'm sorry that this happen to all of us. This is the risk of KS. But DG is likely never to never get another KS again. I think the Whole gamer community is now against them.
Whelp. Kissing my whole $17 goodbye. This is the first of many Kickstarter projects I've backed that has gone bad. Had to happen sooner or later I guess.
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Ok, I am a bit confused. Just went to the website and saw this statement at the bottom:
"All Defiance Games Products are Proudly Designed and Made in the USA"
Yet this update is talking about stuff being made in China. Please remove this statement from your webpage. It is false and misleading. Oh, and an update would be cool. thanks.
@Sam, I don't think so. Given that we haven't gotten any word for a bit, and given that DFG had some problems with the TS kickstarter, I am beginning to think that we may be watching a repeat of April 15, 1912. Maybe the Carpathia will arrive in time, and save the day- but I think that the smoke signals and rockets signaling a serious problem have been missed. Smith, however, seems to have gotten on the first lifeboat in the water leaving his crew to figure out the rest.
havent received anything will it still be shipped by the april schedule as promised
Anyone near enough tk their offices to swing by? I would be interested in some investigative research. I would hassle them myself but I'm on the left half of the country. This will be my last defiance purchase. The treatment of the sponsors, the delays, the lack of updates. I'm done with them.
I only hope for my suits before I ship out in aug, this was sortof a last gaming purchase before I leave the area. I won't be doing kickstarter anymore either. A motnth ago it was simply a flawed system, now ir seems like its acticely supporting shady business.
I gope to be proven wrong. We will see
It's been nearly a month. Time to see some progress.
I second the update request. Some info would be great.
Thanks for the update. As commented below, a regular update in future would be most appreciated by all.
Thanks for finally updating... I'm not going to lie, though - this update does very little to instill confidence to me as a backer.
Your first update in months is to let us know you are already changing production material from what you originally had in the kickstarter listing (spun plastic) to restic. I don't have a ton of fault with restic, but you're already "cutting corners," which does not resonate with an audience who is very uncertain of your ability to fulfill this.
You'd better start firming up dates, showing photos, and keeping things VERY TRANSPARENT, since we paid for this production. You do, in fact, owe us that.
If you wish to succeed as a company, you have a lot of damage control to do. This is a start... but it's only a band-aid at this point.
Thanks for the update.
Can't wait to see some mech prototype pic.
I agree with Matt
You need to keep up communication with us. Even if it is bad news. No communications is the wrong policy to handle a problem. Now I am willing to accept that your not trying to lead us on. But will need you to keep in touch with us and get us some real answers to our questions. We gave you some faith in your company by investing our money in your project. I hope that you do the honorable thing and fulfill your role in this project. Thank you.
And still no response to my refund question...
The bugs were not easy to put together, however even painted the little legs can be bent. I am still not slod on the material. The suits were sold as plastic, and I too would prefer made in Boston.
Thanks for the update, would be good to get more regular updates, even if 'Morning, still working on stuff' every few weeks. Still good to see your still going on and will be intersting to see the companies take on Resnic as everyone has a slightly different version.
So, I looked up the plastic that the suits will be made out of- and I have to ask. You told us that the Trollforge plastic was great stuff because it was light weight (not that it matters with minis- not like I'm humping out in the boonies with a pack full of the little guys). that plastic is light, but the worm that I got as a free bonus with my bug order fell off my work bench and lost half his teeth. I dropped a Marine from that height as a test, and he survived with some scuffs- nothing major. The Restic stuff I have very limited experience with, and it is some hard stuff (almost like the Mongoose publishing Starship Troopers models of days past). The Trollforge plastic at least was soft enough to carve for the purposes of converting. What's the advantage of this Restic stuff? It doesn't bond with Testors, and its hard to cut with a simple hobby knife (getting the circle tabs off my ten ranger bodies to merry them up with 25mm bases was a real chore). What prompted this change? Are the rest of your mini's going to be made out of this stuff? Or is it just going to be the infantry figures- with vehicles being made out of standard modeling plastic?
Thanks for the update.