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Oh good David has backed The Inventors Guide to Everything: A Time Travellers Guide...is this so he can time travel back & actually make this game on time??!!
I mean for godsake there has even been an offer from another game company to produce it which has been ignored. Supposedly we were so close to this actually being ready so where is it & why yet again are we being ignored for months.
It's not the money its the principle that someone thinks its ok to take the money & treat people like this and have no conscience or consequences.
Kinda sad... the art and humor on the page that helped me decide to KS it still looks interesting. Sigh... hoping this is one of those games that finally appears in the mailbox like a surprise bonus check when someone discovers they made an error and fixed it.
Hey don't give up yet! The longest kickstarter I waited on was over 4 years. And it was the first one I backed. I've had plenty work out on time and as projected, but I've never had one fail to deliver yet. Even if it did take 4 years. :) I have faith he'll get it out eventually.
I've not heard back on my offer to takeover the project. There are much bigger issues than the $15 I am out, but I do believe the 850+ backers deserve an update.
Hey David, can you send me a DM? If you have the art print ready, I'd like to discuss taking over manufacturing and getting the backers their games. Thanks.
So an update was promised by the end of May with printing & shipping information and yet still nothing and back to just ignoring backers. Don't we deserve some honesty as to when or if this game is ever going to appear.
Lol @creator. I don’t really care that you’re that late with the game, simply because of how little I invested in it, and how unexcited I am about receiving it after this nonsense that has been your campaign... but your (mostly non-)communications?!?! Unreal. Grow the F up and find the courtesy to communicate with the folks that you took money from.
I'm just happy to hear from David. I'm okay with it being late; I would even survive not getting it. I just want to know what the situation is, rather than radio silence. So even if all you say is "nothing to share, but I'm here" every month, I'd be okay with that. Though I would love to see some photos of something new...
David, thank you for the update. Looking forward to playing this game at my weekly game night soon!
@Jimmy Thank you for the acknowledgement. I'm trying to remember that even in frustration, that ultimately it is about a product that is meant to spark joy!
Was happy to hear the latest update. Fantastic news indeed. And @Christopher Doornbos, thanks for contacting Simon and shedding some more light on this situation. Your final paragraph was probably the most relevant comment I've read on this thread. It's nice to remind the makers that many of us feel this way. Having backed my share of wobbly kickstarters, I understand that it's not all easy sailing for the makers, and having to read the Comments section, riddled with emotional tirades, it must gouge away at those makers. Perhaps, as those particular backers who get quite emotional, support more projects, they will become more streetwise to how this all works and they will take more time to weigh up the risks involved. Because, with any investment there are these kinds of risks.
Thanks for the update David. Still very much looking forward to playing and sharing Yukon Salon at game nights when it comes out. There is a massive silent majority rooting for you and excited to get a copy of this fun game.
I got a quick reply from Simon, and permission to share his response here.
"I appreciate your concerns but I have not been involved with Yukon Salon since the end of the Kickstarter campaign—I was contracted to advise on the creation and marketing of the campaign and have never been involved in production or the post-campaign. That said I have passed along a number of notes along these lines to David when I've seen him and advised him to share updates on his progress. I understand this is a frustrating situation for the backers and wish I had more information for you. For what it's worth, I do believe David will make good on his promises when he's able. "
Although Simon is not able to directly help in the production of the game, or in getting David to respond, it was nice to have questions, and get a quick and informative response. Also, as I later replied to Simon, I would have been leery of backing projects with his name attached to them in the future, but his responses and professionalism have helped to assuage those fears.
Thank you again Simon.
On a continuing note, David the majority of us truly just want communication from you (even if it is nothing new to report) and the games that we invested in. We were all excited to play your game, and the majority of us would still like that chance.
I found a way to contact Simon Berman who is listed as collaborator on this project. I did my best to politely communicate that we are all quite disappointed with how this campaign has been handled, and that if he has any way to contact David to find out the status of this project, to please contact me. I have no guess on whether he will reply, but if I get a response, I will be sure to pass it along here.
I guess I don't understand how someone could expect to continue to have a future in the game industry after doing this, which clearly he does. I do still hold out hope that something will come of this at some point in the future. I don't understand how dealing with this mess is somehow easier than just producing the game in the first place?
On the one hand, i'm holding out hope that he gets this done-atleast our run to have copies of the game. But, i'm also realistic to the fact that it honestly looks like he's basically washed his hands of this whole project. Which is sad, because this looked like a really fun game.
In all seriousness, what’s the point? The only way to go after the guy is to sue, which I’m not going to do for my $15. All the grumbling in the world isn’t bringing him back.
I still hope one of us actually runs into him at a convention or show. I’d love to hear his explanation - not of what went wrong, or how it’s coming Real Soon Now, but why he couldn’t be bothered to update us for eight months when we can all see he’s still checking Kickstarter with some regularity.
Perhaps he himself will give a lecture there: "How to create 891 angry game customers!?" That's something he is quiet experienced in.
Or he attends the creative workshop "How to deal with 891 ungrateful customers that wouldn't stop pestering me for stuff that they paid for or at least some information while I go on vacation learning more about creating games that I wouldn't deliver."
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Show older commentsMatt Larson 2 days ago
Yeah - it’s quite obvious the creator doesn’t have much regard for his backers.
Ahh well. Hopefully he did something fun with my particular $15. I have no faith any of us will ever see a physical copy of the game.
Lucia Hedderley
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Oh good David has backed The Inventors Guide to Everything: A Time Travellers Guide...is this so he can time travel back & actually make this game on time??!!
I mean for godsake there has even been an offer from another game company to produce it which has been ignored. Supposedly we were so close to this actually being ready so where is it & why yet again are we being ignored for months.
It's not the money its the principle that someone thinks its ok to take the money & treat people like this and have no conscience or consequences.
Zach Dominguez on
Oh great, David just backed another project, too bad he can't finish this one.
Naomiooooo on
Kinda sad... the art and humor on the page that helped me decide to KS it still looks interesting. Sigh... hoping this is one of those games that finally appears in the mailbox like a surprise bonus check when someone discovers they made an error and fixed it.
Laura Thomas on
Hey don't give up yet! The longest kickstarter I waited on was over 4 years. And it was the first one I backed. I've had plenty work out on time and as projected, but I've never had one fail to deliver yet. Even if it did take 4 years. :) I have faith he'll get it out eventually.
Zach Dominguez on
@GutShotGames, thanks for offering but I don't think this is ever coming out and we all just wasted $15 and a year waiting.
Gut Shot Games on
I've not heard back on my offer to takeover the project. There are much bigger issues than the $15 I am out, but I do believe the 850+ backers deserve an update.
EH Gaming on
Loving that I backed this and The Terminator Board Game by Space Goat Productions...yay Kickstarter. *sigh* This one looked a dead cert
😫
Tiralie on
Wahoo, someone to the rescue.
Gut Shot Games on
Hey David, can you send me a DM? If you have the art print ready, I'd like to discuss taking over manufacturing and getting the backers their games. Thanks.
Lucia Hedderley
Superbacker
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So an update was promised by the end of May with printing & shipping information and yet still nothing and back to just ignoring backers. Don't we deserve some honesty as to when or if this game is ever going to appear.
Rommel Johnson
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Coming up on a year past due. What is the status?
Rennie on
Daniel.... Christmas what year?
Daniel Rojas Arboleda on
I hope my game comes for Christmas!
Jeffrey Schotanus on
@kevin. Thieves and hustlers usually don't communicate with their victims.
Kevin Remington
Superbacker
on
Lol @creator. I don’t really care that you’re that late with the game, simply because of how little I invested in it, and how unexcited I am about receiving it after this nonsense that has been your campaign... but your (mostly non-)communications?!?! Unreal. Grow the F up and find the courtesy to communicate with the folks that you took money from.
Ken
Superbacker
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At least I'm only out $15 for this. Unlike Evil Dead 2. Ugh.
Edward Farkhiev on
I got a similar update from another long dead KS, Don't hold your breath.
Zach Dominguez on
So are we getting an update once a year now that just states that this is still on but not actually getting the game?
Daniel Rojas Arboleda on
Shipping date?
Mickos on
So whats going on here? is this game being made or not????
Axel Karlsson on
Okay, so it is being printed right about now then?
Phil Chen
Superbacker
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David, thank you for the update. Great to hear from you!
Steven Paradise
Superbacker
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I'm just happy to hear from David. I'm okay with it being late; I would even survive not getting it. I just want to know what the situation is, rather than radio silence. So even if all you say is "nothing to share, but I'm here" every month, I'd be okay with that. Though I would love to see some photos of something new...
Christopher Doornbos
Superbacker
on
David, thank you for the update. Looking forward to playing this game at my weekly game night soon!
@Jimmy Thank you for the acknowledgement. I'm trying to remember that even in frustration, that ultimately it is about a product that is meant to spark joy!
Rennie on
I'm glad to see the update, faith restored!
How do I go about changing my shipping address though?
Jimmy Trinket
Superbacker
on
Was happy to hear the latest update. Fantastic news indeed. And @Christopher Doornbos, thanks for contacting Simon and shedding some more light on this situation. Your final paragraph was probably the most relevant comment I've read on this thread. It's nice to remind the makers that many of us feel this way. Having backed my share of wobbly kickstarters, I understand that it's not all easy sailing for the makers, and having to read the Comments section, riddled with emotional tirades, it must gouge away at those makers. Perhaps, as those particular backers who get quite emotional, support more projects, they will become more streetwise to how this all works and they will take more time to weigh up the risks involved. Because, with any investment there are these kinds of risks.
Ken
Superbacker
on
Really hope this gets finished. Have been waiting for this game, like we all have, for awhile.
Axel Karlsson on
Printing by the end of the month? I’ll be damned.
Rhonda A.
Superbacker
on
I am glad to see it is still alive, I looked forward to playing it with my daughter. 😁
Nick Ryan
Superbacker
on
What about the people who backed for a custom card?
Mike Vander Veen on
Thanks for the update David. Still very much looking forward to playing and sharing Yukon Salon at game nights when it comes out. There is a massive silent majority rooting for you and excited to get a copy of this fun game.
Matt Larson on
Progress? An update?!?
My mind is reeling.
Christopher Doornbos
Superbacker
on
I got a quick reply from Simon, and permission to share his response here.
"I appreciate your concerns but I have not been involved with Yukon Salon since the end of the Kickstarter campaign—I was contracted to advise on the creation and marketing of the campaign and have never been involved in production or the post-campaign. That said I have passed along a number of notes along these lines to David when I've seen him and advised him to share updates on his progress. I understand this is a frustrating situation for the backers and wish I had more information for you. For what it's worth, I do believe David will make good on his promises when he's able. "
Although Simon is not able to directly help in the production of the game, or in getting David to respond, it was nice to have questions, and get a quick and informative response. Also, as I later replied to Simon, I would have been leery of backing projects with his name attached to them in the future, but his responses and professionalism have helped to assuage those fears.
Thank you again Simon.
On a continuing note, David the majority of us truly just want communication from you (even if it is nothing new to report) and the games that we invested in. We were all excited to play your game, and the majority of us would still like that chance.
Christopher Doornbos
Superbacker
on
I found a way to contact Simon Berman who is listed as collaborator on this project. I did my best to politely communicate that we are all quite disappointed with how this campaign has been handled, and that if he has any way to contact David to find out the status of this project, to please contact me. I have no guess on whether he will reply, but if I get a response, I will be sure to pass it along here.
Alexandre Abrão
Superbacker
on
So David still using our money with booze, strip clubs and drugs? Geez, the least he could do its invite us....
Daniel Rojas Arboleda on
Ok. I'm done. Enjoy our money Foolen. Wish you the "best" in this industry.
Matt Larson on
He isn’t dealing with it. He’s ignoring it. That makes it easier.
Rhonda A.
Superbacker
on
I guess I don't understand how someone could expect to continue to have a future in the game industry after doing this, which clearly he does. I do still hold out hope that something will come of this at some point in the future. I don't understand how dealing with this mess is somehow easier than just producing the game in the first place?
mike on
On the one hand, i'm holding out hope that he gets this done-atleast our run to have copies of the game. But, i'm also realistic to the fact that it honestly looks like he's basically washed his hands of this whole project. Which is sad, because this looked like a really fun game.
Matt Larson on
In all seriousness, what’s the point? The only way to go after the guy is to sue, which I’m not going to do for my $15. All the grumbling in the world isn’t bringing him back.
I still hope one of us actually runs into him at a convention or show. I’d love to hear his explanation - not of what went wrong, or how it’s coming Real Soon Now, but why he couldn’t be bothered to update us for eight months when we can all see he’s still checking Kickstarter with some regularity.
Monsterrod Von Hugenstien on
That's the sound of defeat. Kickstarter doesn't care if backers get ripped off and clearly David has abandoned the project. It's a bummer.
Jeffrey Schotanus on
It's all so quiet around here....
Diane Godfrey on
Yassss @Johannes... you are totally my spirit animal.
Steve Beeman on
@Johannes +1
Johannes on
Perhaps he himself will give a lecture there: "How to create 891 angry game customers!?" That's something he is quiet experienced in.
Or he attends the creative workshop "How to deal with 891 ungrateful customers that wouldn't stop pestering me for stuff that they paid for or at least some information while I go on vacation learning more about creating games that I wouldn't deliver."
Tiralie on
To backers*
Tiralie on
Because David apparently needs a retreat from not getting his games to creators?
Jordan on
While we all wait for an update/response/sign of life, David, in the meantime, backed another Kickstarter to attend a board game designer's retreat.
Cubical Games on
Too long since any communication. I want a refund. This is bordering on theft.