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to be fair the resin pictures you just put up look good, i hope the metal ones are good as well . pledged a fair bit on money and could not afford the resin upgrades as well
Daruma Productions I am truly sorry to hear that about your suppliers for your printers and also for some of the figures too, still you do forge on which is to your credit. Its communications that are the key and lately you have become very good at it but before it was very poor. I say keep at the good work with the communications and the product and all will be fine. Strangely I have gained a bit of interest back
Stephen, sorry I am jaded true, the figures are fine, your paintjob isnt the best, maybe better lighting and picture might of brought the best out of them. Actually I do stand corrected about the detail on the resin castes the detail is good, the material is a bit of a problem at times, being more like Airfix plastic soldiers, but I am assured that has been sorted and a am pleased to hear that. The metal figures are a little shallow on detail and nowhere near the same level of detail as the resin one, again I would expect that but again I am sure as they have had some issues that this has been or is being resolved. As for painting better, well I think you are asking the wrong person there as you know my style of painting and let say its different to your but I would suggest if you havent got it, Masterclass Vol.1 by Angel Giraldez as it has some amazing techniques in it and a very good guide.
We have just put out an update with a closer look at a resin mini (Joe Fade in this case) - again, the photography isn't fantastic as i'm using an iphone and a photobooth. We will take a load of professional shots when the Photographer comes along with the "proper" camera - those are basically just snapshots for now.
We show off the minis wherever we can - not just the "regular" Retail minis but the KS exclusives as well, and always get excellent feedback. Steve's paintjobs are great in "the flesh" as it were and we get many positive comments about both the painting and the miniatures at every show we take them to. Overwhelmingly so, every miniature looks extremely close to Daves original artwork - so if some of them look like 90s designs, thats probably because thats exactly what they are! Although Dave is modernising and updating many of his images, the original art and "look" for Ebons (for example) is unmistakably SLA and hasn't really changed in styling since the early 90's - this is 1 of SLA's strengths and where we have made a few alterations (Wraithen head for example) the old school fans haven't always been happy with those decisions. So, we will continue to make SLA miniatures that look like Daves SLA artwork (albeit the odd piece brought into the 21st century). Thats not to say that they lack detail - quite the contrary, as you can see from my mediocre photos of Joe Fade, that is a sweet miniature and the detailing is crisp, deep and not fuzzy at all. As pretty much all of our miniatures are printed out on the same 3d printer, by the same company, this can be taken as a reasonable example of quality.
Panzerkaput - we are wary of giving specific dates as we have learnt (the hard way) that when we rely on 3rd parties to deliver we actually have little control over them doing so. For example - we paid a printer (and diligently checked into their background first) to print the entire Hunter Sheets 2 RPG supplement, and they promptly took our money and disappeared with it.. leaving us with a huge delay and having to fund a 2nd print run at additional cost. That has, understandably, left us somewhat wary when dealing with 3rd parties.
Jared has started layout and graphics on the Rules section / A5 rulebook already and i'll badger him for a sample when he's ready to let 1 go out - but you can expect this to be printed rapidly as soon as he is finished.
Sorry my paint jobs dont meet your standards Panzerkaput. I was really please with how they turned out, the artist who designed them seemed to like them and I've received a lot of positive feed back at the shows I've been at. The lighting in the pics doesn't show th.off to there best though. taste is an individual thing however and you can't please everyone. If you have suggestions on technique that could help me improve I would love to hear them. As far as detail goes, I have painted dozens of these minis now fir my own collection and friends and I can assure you they have plenty of detail.You certainly seemed happy with the ones you showed off on the fan page. I feel perhaps your comments may be slightly jaded at the moment by your personal issues with the project however.
Guy I think it is the paint job more than the figures but they are not the best. I would be worried as they promise a lot and delivery very little.
PanzerKaput i fell the same as you, its lost it spark. the model they have just shown in the last update look like they was made in 1992 detail wise, i Love Sla but i am getting worried
I feel everything is in a couple of weeks and then a couple of weeks more and than, etc. Its the lack of estimated dates or even a ball park, when it might be ready thats getting to me. Also the lack of communications of the past few months on here and the facebooks pages about this project get me too. Personally I will be shocked if anything turns up as I have that much faith your Daruma, sorry folks but thats my personal feeling about this.
@Iain - the backerkit is still open, you can log back in and make address changes right up until the point of packing.
@lonedirtydog - not all of the miniatures are ready, as of next month there will be a large amount of them finished and ready to ship. Some of yours will be ready, some won't. We are happy to part ship what is ready when they are finished being cast.
@Andy - we have more updates coming out regularly now, the A5 rulebook is very close to going to layout / print and a load of the miniatures as well.
@Drew - that is a great idea, and very doable. In fact, if anyone wants to collect any of what is ready so far at any of the events we are attending in coming weeks / months we can make that happen very readily. We would need a week or so notice at least via email from you though to arrange it and ensure your Pledge is picked and the part shipment is noted.
- We are sorry that this Project is running late, and nobody is more frustrated than us as until we get the KS fulfilled we can't bring it to market, and until we can do that - we don't have a full product by any means and cannot move forward with our long term plans. And we do have long term plans to support this game post KS delivery. Please bear with us and you will get more regular updates as well as some very cool SLA goodies in due course.
Any chance to pick up things like the hardback RPG at Dragonmeet UK or other bits of our orders that are complete early?
Minis are looking great guys and I'm really looking forward to the A5 rule book. Don't mind the wait as I know you want every thing spot on. A book full of Dave Alsop art is worth waiting for.
When am I going to see a rule-book, miniatures or anything else? I'm feeling quite negative about this now and that's a shame as SLA Industries was a staple role-play game for us when I was in my teens and I love it.
This KS project is tarnishing those memories and i'm feeling like I want to call it quits and ask for my money back.
So are my miniatures ready to send ? If not can I have a refund as I have lost interest in this now thanks
Since backing this project, I have emigrated from the UK to the US. How do I update my shipping details?
I am still waiting to hear about either the rules booklet or any news of my request for a refund?
Lots going on from the update and I have my Shivers, SKAVS and Carrien ready to go. looking for to playing with the A5 and bedtime reading with the big book. Sounds like lots of new yummy fluff!! Thanks Jared :)
An update (number 101) has been posted. I hope it gives everyone enough information on where we are.
Hi there, we have not had an update since the 19 July and I wonder just have one requests a refund as frankly I lost all my interest in this game
Can we have an updated list of the miniatures that are ready pleaseeeeee, as I have said I am only after the miniatures (don't play have no need for the rule set) if the miniatures I backed for are ready can I have them sent.
Hi, Jared here. I'm the one that is doing the book layout. We will be posting sneak peeks of the book to the SLA Development diary once we have something we can show. Links to it (links to everything, really) will always be shared on the Daruma Facebook page when it pertains to this Kickstarter. Feel free to engage us on the development diary if you have any questions about the book layout/development.
An update would be nice, I'm kinda lost at sea with this now.
There's the beta group, The Daruma page, the SLA industries page & SLA development diary. Which one(s) am I supposed to look at?
The last thing I saw was something about a helicopter, but it looked like they were supporting someone else's kickstarter, nothing to do with this one.
I was enjoying the weekly email that came for a while (was it weekly? I think it was) but that seems to have stopped now. my enthusiasm for this project seemingly gone with it.
I'm not really fussed how long it takes to appear, I'm a patient fellow & I've got plenty of other projects to keep me busy!
I am looking forward to getting my book and a couple of minis (I've forgotten which ones I ordered if I'm honest!), getting that nice surprise package appearing on my doorstep will be lovely to unpack and my enthusiasm will instantly come flooding back!
I love getting a new set of rules and a beautiful book to read through (it was the quality "previs" artwork that made me back this project in the first place), with a new book and a handful of minis that I wasn't fully "expecting" to turn up will kickstart my excitement and I'll probably have them painted, and a game organised in a couple of weeks.
Until then, it'd just be nice to get an email once in a while so that I know that that package IS actually going to turn up at some point ;)
Just personally, and I could be the only one that this interests, but I'd like to see some of the development of the book. No matter the company, there's always pictures of "greens", more frequently 3D prints or renders of figures, but we never get to see the development of the books! I'm a graphic designer who works in a print house (Penrith), so this kind of thing really interests me, so it would be nice to see a bit more of that stuff! Unfortunately I haven't had the pleasure of working on a wargames project (yet?), which I'd LOVE to do, as it's obviously my hobby, and who doesn't like combining work with hobby! it'd just feel like hobby! But seeing behind the scenes a bit more on a project I've backed would be a good substitute :) .
All the best.
looking forward to seeing the next update.
Hi all, we owe you an update here and one will be posted soon, bringing you up to date with what's been posted to Facebook, but in the meantime, here's a quick précis: Everything is still going ahead. We had an open day in Doncaster where the last version of the rules were demoed and played. The rules are getting their final polish before they head off to Scotland where Nightfall will be doing the preproduction on the small version of the book, the "A5 Mini Rulebook" in the pledges, to get a playable version of the game into your hands so you can field your miniatures.
In non-kickstarter news, the RPG book Hunter Sheets Issue 2 has been printed and is available alongside the main rulebook reprint in your local games store.
tl;dr: Everything is going ahead. Dave has under sixty paintings left from the list of over two hundred he started with and we will have a sneak preview of something soon. If you can't wait for the email, go find us on Facebook where you can be reassured by our progress.
Everything seems to be progressing on their Facebook page. But as we all backed through this kick starter it would be nice to keep it updated on a regular basis
I guess this is not a good sign. :(
Not a lot
Hey Team, It's been 2 months since the last update! How are things going?
If my minis are ready I'll have them sent out thanks as I don't play so don't want the rules anyway, so if you can send me all my models you can call it complete without the rules thanks.
Gosh that comment was for a different game
I wonder how does one request a refund? I guess it is way too late now
Hey there, I need to change the address on my backer stuff. Where can I do that?
Hi Guys - we are working on a couple of important update messages - but want to ensure that everything is in place before doing so.
Firstly, yes - as Jared has said we are going to miss the deadline on the book for November. There are reasons for this that we will go into in detail shortly.
However.. we have shedloads (or a really big roomload) of the KS stuff already prepared and ready to go. 9 or 10 sculpts are complete, the resin runs of those are finished and awaiting dispatch. We have a standing order for several dozen diggers a month, all the dice are done, the tee shirts are well underway (and we print those inhouse), most of the bags are done, pin badges are done.. loads is finished with a lot due very soon. I.e. by late September / october we will have the first 9 or 10 designs also ready in metal. So.. broad terms - if any backer wanted us to part ship as we go, we could. We cannot afford to cover part shipping postage though - please let me make that very clear!
However.. if you place an order for any other items (regular store items - or have an order awaiting dispatch), meet us at a show and want to collect in person, etc - we would be happy to put the processes in place to carefully log this and part ship much of the KS, as we go. This would require a bit of logistics at our end, but is fairly reasonable for us to do; with the remainder (book and cards, plus additional sculpts) coming out later. There are also, a number of pledges for items and miniatures that we already have (a small number of) that we could pretty much fulfill in entirety immediately.
As i've said, we want to put a bit of polish on this, and some logistics back work but in theory - iif everybody was happy with this, we can make this happen very soon.
We haven't yet put this up as an update as I;ve been mad busy with a newborn, and we have the Open day next weekend. Once the Open day is past, we will have time to plan this a little more and roll it out. So.. you could have yer Diggers and many of the minis, plus a load of other stuff - right quick.
@Jospeh as I said in the previous comment Daruma are going to miss their November Deadline and it will not be before Christmas. No new deadline has been set.
(Wonders if it is time for a refund? but Digger)
How much longer for the shipment for Kansas?
Here is an update from Daruma Facebook page
+++ CS1 ART UPDATE +++
Dave is hard at work painting over two hundred and eight one pieces of art for the Cannibal Sector One book. He is three quarters of the way through, much like this is three quarters of a head.
While it's almost a certainty that we will miss our November deadline for the book, we will not stop working to bring you the book we feel you deserve, as opposed to the bare minimum to meet the Kickstarter promises.
We will deliver.
+++ A GOOD OPERATIVE IS A LOYAL OPERATIVE +++
Sad news in a way but to me it shows someone who loves and is interested in the produce enough to make sure the book is a good one.
Sorry Drew is right there is an add on for the RPG
Well I added a copy of the old RPG in backer kit so it was available as an add on.
Christopher no there wasnt but there is the Hunter Sheets collected in print coming out soon
Was there an RPG add on ?
Please ignore that last post ... Added PDF to my search ... and voila ... https://cdn.23x.me/Factions.pdf
I just received my "dice only" reward for this project and I am trying to find the list of the symbols on the dice ... I know some of them are factions ... Would someone be so kind as to point me to either a graphic ... or rule PDF so I can identify these dice for my database? (http://www.dicecollector.com/SEARCH/index.php…)
Thank you very much for any help you can provide
@Panzerkaput THANKS !
Thanks PanzerKaput! We have also put that link into todays update, so it is in a few places now. We hope you'll all head over and download the pdf's, and enjoy them!
or @weirdcollector you can get them here https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B7dwbqdRO_jtUEgya0Vzc0ZmbU0 without joining the facebook page
@weirdcollector this update should answer your questions, https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/darumaproductions/sla-industries-cannibal-sector-1/posts/1875299, but basically its not to November 17 but maybe longer
Hi there ! Any news ?
i mean the original SLA rule book art btw
Stellar Chaos™ on KS atm. i dont know if it is just me but the art looks a lot like SLA, are they related? or the same artiest or something? or am i just imagining it
What's the state of the rulebook? Still on target for the June release?