Funded! This project was successfully funded on September 22, 2012.

Update #2

We've Surpassed the Bieber Level; 3 Ways to Celebrate!

Thank you so very much, backers!  We've funded the goal on the project, which means you'll have the necessary features to write out a basic song!

We've heard this is the point where Kickstarters become silent, where few updates are given as a mysterious development process happens behind the scenes.  Then, one day, much later than promised, rewards are fulfilled unexpectedly.  There are even horror stories of Kickstarters that never deliver on their promises!

Worry not, backers!  You have chosen well; read on to see 3 things that await you.

1. Transparency in Software Development: The Next Iteration Is Up!

We want to be living proof that software development should be focused first and foremost on the actual user experience.  As the most forward-thinking early adopters, you've literally put your money where your mouth is.  You deserve to see progress.  We invite you to try out Liederboard at any stage in our development process.

In that spirit, we have uploaded our current iteration on Liederboard.  In this version...

--- Pitches! ---

Hold down Q, W, E, R, T, Y, U, I, or O while notes are written.  Those notes will appear at the pitches of E, F, G, A, B, C, D, E, and F on the staff.

Backers, you have earned the first claim to feedback via comments on this Kickstarter project or direct messages to Danny.  Try to write your songs out; we believe you're the best ones to tell us what you need next!

2. We Will Start Fulfilling Rewards!

Congratulations!  You funded our project in less than a week, so we're going to mirror that speed -- not just with the iterations on features, but by putting up your names!  Expect backer-specific messages to obtain the name, website, or picture you want linked.

As our first $1,500, you will be placed toward the top of your respective contribution sections.  Future backers will be listed lower in their respective contribution sections.

That means that if you know friends and musicians who want the higher spots in their respective sections, you may want to tell them to support sooner rather than later.

3. A Cover Photo Is Now Available for You!

I am elated to see this goal fulfilled and excited to see where this project's community will take it next.  Do you realize that you've basically told the software industry: "Hey!  Music creation is worth at least $1,500 a week" -- even with just the promise of an idea from a single developer armed only with his friends and an ambitious vision?  Good job!

Perhaps you're even one of those that has experienced when American schools didn't support the arts as much as you just did.  We've all heard of budget cuts affecting music programs, and high school marching bands talk about high turnover among band directors whose resource requests are constantly rejected.

Even if music is eliminated from our schools, you've taken Liederboard one step closer to keeping music in future musicians' lives.  Thanks to backers Mei Dean Francis and Spencer Hom, we have a way to convey that in a beautiful graphic featuring the Mountain View High School Entertainment Corps in El Monte, California.

This comes just in time for Facebook's forced usage of Timeline or continued G+ usage.  You may download and use this picture freely, as a gift to backers like you.

Do you have some great ideas about how this project could affect your life or those around you?  Are you an artist with similar music problems you've cleverly depicted?  Send it to us!  We love hearing from our community as we continue past the Williams level!

Comments

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      Creator Michael Heiberg on August 31, 2012

      I'm finding the input scheme a little awkward -- every note I drop involves holding down a pitch key while pressing a note-type key. I find myself wanting to set the note-type with a single keypress, and then drop notes with single pitch-key keypresses. This could even work in conjunction with the current scheme, allowing you to either press a pitch-key to drop a note, or hold a pitch-key while pressing a note-type key to drop a note of a specific length.

      It would also be awesome to have some immediate feedback to mode-changing keys. If holding a key sets the pitch of future keypresses, it would be awesome to see some kind of different-colored key previewed on the staff. Or if pressing a key sets the note type, it would be nice to have the current note type displayed someplace in the UI.

      That said, I am perhaps not your target audience. I can barely read sheet music, but I have music in my head and I've always wanted a way to write it down and play it. I just haven't found a composition program that I can understand. :)

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      Creator Daniel Favela on August 31, 2012

      Don't regret it; a part of me is excited that you dug into the software itself before caring about how it was going to be made. Ultimately, I think you've illustrated why this seemingly simple system requires the support from amazing visionaries understanding its potential.

      Thank you very much for the discussion from everyone! Can't wait to put out the next iteration.

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      Creator Chad Smith on August 31, 2012

      Sorry - just found the backlog on the front page - you are already way ahead of me.

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      Creator Chad Smith on August 31, 2012

      Another thought. Kind of like what you were doing with typing the pitches. There wasn't a way to do half-steps (A sharp, C flat, etc.) at least not that I saw. (With brings up putting the song in a key other than C or a timing other than 4/4 also.)

      Then I remembered Garageband. Now, I am not suggesting you steal from Apple. Goodness knows that does not end well. But they did have a way to include over an octave of pitches - including sharps and flats - by mimicing a piano keyboard on the um, QWERTY keyboard. Perhaps something like that maybe?

      I would link you to a screenshot, but I sure that would put the scent of blood in the water to the already frenzied iLawyers.

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      Creator Chad Smith on August 31, 2012

      I see now that the arrows actually already do move from one note to the next. and the up and down change the timing of the note.

      Hmm... I'll have to think about it. I've really never considered how complicated it would be to write music on a computer before.

      One other thought.... Might I suggest defaulting to a rest instead of a B? I realize the B is the middle of the staff, but I can't think of any other reason that it would be "Default pinch" if you aren't selecting one any other way. Unless I am missing some musical significance to that particular note.

      About the "Backlog of features" I'm sure that's pretty big. I mean you've got a whole other staff to deal with, plus things like Guitar Chords, multiple instruments / harmonies, adding words, etc.... Could be daunting.

      Music is HUGE. You're basically trying to get a machine built for one language to speak a completely different one. And one it doesn't even have keys for.

      Another thought would be USB keyboard (as in piano style) support. Then you wouldn't have to worry about translating the input - you would just accept it as it was played.

      This could be the style to input notes on a touchscreen - just put a one-octave keyboard on the screen and they could play away.

      I realize I'm throwing a lot of ideas out. I am not demanding them or even expecting any of them to get used. Just sharing my thoughts.

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      Creator Rick Jones on August 30, 2012

      I know it is still in the early stages. For saving the data, please consider MusicXML.

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      Creator Paul Maloney on August 30, 2012

      Rather than looking at key presses I think an approach that supports tablets is probably better. I'd like to see controls on the side of the score, select a note (or group of notes) then use the controls to alter options such as pitch and length.

      It is getting more and more likely that a site like this will be accessed via an IPad or Android tablet.

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      Creator Rick Skubic on August 30, 2012

      If you use the Shift key and Ctrl key with the arrow keys you can have a lot of functionality to navigate the score. Shift and Ctrl are both on Windows and Mac keyboards. Alt and Option are only on one or the other.
      Left arrow move cursor left to select the previous note
      Right arrow move cursor right to select the next note
      Up arrow increase the pitch of the selected note
      Down arrow decrease the pitch of the selected note
      Shift + Left arrow decrease the length of the note
      Shift + Right arrow increase the length of the note
      Shift + Up arrow increase the pitch of the note by an octave
      Shift + Down arrow decrease the pitch of the note by an octave
      Ctrl + Left arrow move the cursor left by a bar
      Ctrl + Right arrow move the cursor right by a bar
      Ctrl + Up arrow move the cursor up one staff
      Ctrl + Dowm arrow move the cursor down one staff

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      Creator Scott Hernandez on August 29, 2012

      I agree that it's a bit difficult to get used to the numpad as the primary method of input, especially on laptops and tablets. I kind of expected it to work as if you were typing out the actual letters for the notes. To change octaves, you could hold shift or ctrl or use [ and ] or something.

      I could totally see using the entire keyboard (excluding keys that would cause the computer to do certain things, like Alt+Tab or F5, etc.) for input and eventually releasing keyboard covers ala nonlinear editing software (like AVID Media Composer) for reference and use in teaching and production environments.

      Tapping/clicking would also be awesome. Dragging and dropping would be an interesting way of doing it as well, albeit much more difficult to develop.

      Keep it up, Danny!!

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      Creator Daniel Favela on August 29, 2012

      Thanks for the heads up! The build is now be up and you can use pitches as described!

      You're definitely on the right track for input with touchscreens, and thanks for the input about up/down arrows to edit a pitch. As this continues to grow, I'm agreeing with that input more and more. How would you want to edit the duration of a note to go from quarter to dotted quarter, though?

      In case you don't have a numpad, we've also implemented the same number input with the number keys above the QWERTY line. 2,3,4,5, and 6 should all work the same way within and outside of your numpad.

      Mouseclicks sound like a great candidate for the next features after the currently funded three. I'll go ahead and add chords to the backlog of features.

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      Creator Chad Smith on August 29, 2012

      I'm trying it, and it's not working.

      I will also say that it's not the easiest way to do things, especially on a notebook with no dedicated number pad.

      Have you considered maybe letting us click on the staff? This would be crazy useful for touchscreens.

      Or maybe after we pick the type of note, use the arrow keys to move it up or down. This would help if we are trying something out and not happy with how a given note sounds. The up and down would change the pitch of a note, and the left and right could move the cursor from one note to the last or next.

      And what about stretch goals of adding chords?

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