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Received 0$! ...
This isn't a simple "tried and failed" project though.
Terrible communications, never fulfilled promises to even keep everyone informed of progress, and then they drop off the radar, with almost £100,000 of other people's money and they are getting away scott free.
That isn't OK. That is why people are pissed off.
Kickstarter could care less they have our money. Well their share anyway
Adam then scammers like this cunt eould just donate to 5 and then start their rich cow fraudster campaign
I personally think Kickstarter should institute a policy that if you haven’t backed at least 5 campaigns you can’t even create one. Put your money where your mouth is and understand the process and the delays that often happen before you create your own campaign, and maybe you will understand the disappointment that backers feel when projects fail.
This is the second time this happened for me and honestly, I’m not mad. Kickstarters are always a risk, and when they don’t pan out you’re not entitled to anything as frustrating as it can be. Reporting it as a scam or trying to rally together a class action in the comments section is pointless. I’m surprised bakers are getting anything refunded at all since it’s so rare. Don’t be a dick and harass the creators now that it’s over either.
Daniel Edwards, you are an abject cunt. You'll get your karma payback one day.
Fuck Kickstarter, I'm done with scams!
Sounds more like a con.
Even Kickstarter need to revisit their own policies to address these kind of projects and so. Money is gone for sure
No transparency from Kickstart to act tough on such actors...
Need to find a better platform which can offer more pro-activeness from their end or no investment and buy the product directly from the retail.
I see some really cool projects but after this and no further statement from Kickstarter to convince, I would rather wait till the product enters retail and pay 20% more to cover the risk of having money down the drain
Paid 99£, got nothing back. :(
I notice Daniel has added a comment to his last update noting that the first round of refunds has been processed.
SCAM! I paid 75 GBP (99 USD) for this, and waited for three years. And now I hear they are refunding their backers measly 15 bucks? WTF?
Yes 15. But this shouldn't be done with it. Still waiting for the other 60!
Yay? Got a partial refund of 15 out of the 75 I put in... Anyone else?
@alexander: thx to you. hope that will give us some new info. should we all inform uk about that fraud here?
they wrote me back after I reported this as fraud, and they will investigate it, let's see what happens
Kickstarter won't lift a finger since they've collected their fees. The backers are on their own now. Take the loss or start a civil fraud process locally in the UK. Below in this section, there are comments regarding filing a fraud complaint online at the UK Police.
£82,000 minus kickstarter fees, could buy a new house with that. A car, a business which we won't know about.
You won't get a refund from Daniels he's spent that money living the life.
@Lars. I would tend to agree with you based on the track record thus far. If at the end of March there is no update to demonstrate refunds then it would be additional evidence to give to Kickstarter or someone.
KickStarter couldn't give a fuck all they say is:
"I’d encourage you to keep reaching out to the creator to ask for an update, and stress that even a short note that they’re still working on it would be preferable to silence. If you’ve already tried that and haven’t received a response through Kickstarter messaging, you might want to consider reaching out through other channels such as a creator’s own website, where available. Thanks for being a thoughtful backer and part of the Kickstarter community. I hope you hear more from this creator soon."
Scummy bastards just as bad as this creator
@Brendan, yes that's the theoretical maths, although looking at the track record of this creator I have my doubts it applies.
@Lars. 928 backers at 18 months would average 51 a month. Hopefully one of the first 51 backers is active in the comment section and can confirm at the end of May whether a refund happened.
As far as I'm concerned, Kickstarter are also accountable as they've dodged every query we have raised. I shall be leaving poor reviews of the Kickstarter service wherever I can.
So even the bottle cutters which were apparently already made and ready to ship are not being shipped. Daniel ignored my email threatening legal action, which I am not surprised about.
I have not used Kickstarter since this scam became a success (incidentally I totally resent Kickstarter maintaining the "successful" label against this scam) and I will never use Kickstarter again after this.
I wonder if we can raise a dispute through PayPal to get our money back or is there no hope as we have all gone through kickstarter?
Is someone pressing charges on them? I really would like to bring a hell of lawyers over this guy's. This is roubary at it finest.
2nd of May 2018, how many backers will you refund each week/month Daniel Edwards?
There should be a "scam" option for the "I got it" section... instead of a green checkmark, it would be a red "x"
Is there anyone organizing a lawyer to get this done. KS is not even taking notice from us and I really could need my money back. :/
Did you press charges on them?
Does anyone have links to that Daniel Edward's social media/other profiles? I think I want to talk to him:) Like... I want my money back, right now.
Any plans to join forces and take legal actions against the scammer?
full law ?
Because you don't use full law
This small device has a backup from indiegogo too and a lot of money is in there. I don't know why officials are not going against him..
@Mike, they should give us atkeast chupa cut, as they told it was already done
I still want my chupa cut which is allegedly complete, and I paid shipping in backerkit, so I should be all set, right?
What a scammer
Said of that, I will also contribute for the charges to pay for the expenses.
I will provide a reward to the one who initiates the legal proceedings and it should come in the news channels. I'm ready to reward 2000 USD for this. Others who want to contribute can also contribute for the person who is taking this effort. I will provide my complete support. Nobody is willing to initiate, I wish I could, but I'm from a different location. There should be a lot of people from the same location where this can be reported.
They won't do anything, because this was a pre-planned fraud even on other indiegogo campaign. David never worried about anything, as they are already going to cheat.
(Note on math: 75k/95k isn't 25k, I know: All projects are expected to assume a £20% margin when asking for investment)
£95,322 pledged, when the initial goal was £25,000 meant a margin for error of £75,322!! That should have been more than enough leeway for the creators to identify imminent problems. They ought to have pulled the plug, or at least asked us if we wanted a refund at the point when they passed £30k, not waited until they had spent most of OUR money on a pipe dream.
Where is your BUSINESS INSURANCE?? Normally in these cases, a judge will order repayment in full to all defrauded investors.
I want a full refund 100%
Reported on action fraud.
Someone who can get this on bbc??
Shutting down the facebook campaign to bring this cheating before justice. We did not get enough emails messaged to us in facebook to launch the campaign.
Reported to action fraud. Notwithstanding that, any UK backer can file a direct report with the police please? That will help to expedite the matter.
Daniel removed his photo from KS.
Also reported to action fraud.
what about a "bounty hunter" or debt collecting agency ?