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@Ken Whitman - We're 22 days away from the first day of GenCon, and we haven't had an update regarding this film project in several months. You stated that this film would be ready for delivery in some shape or form by GenCon 2017.
Can you provide us with any form of update regarding the development of the film at this time?
Ignore that last post it was meant for a new Traveller project. Check it out here on Kickstarter and no it's not associated with anyone involved in this production. It's called 'The Great Rift' and offes some great value for those who back high enough.
There's so much I love about Traveller and so much I can't stand as well, the main one being that there are so many variations on the main rules and next to no standard when it comes to say my Traveller universe versus your Traveller universe. So here's my last harrah so to speak to Traveller. Not at all amused by the mess that ended up being T5 and in one last hope that this will provide not just the ultimate rules for Traveller but also an area that all Travellers can have as a 'STANDARD', an area of space where no matter which fellow Travellers I meet, they will go off the work done here and not once again go off re-inventing the wheel and having the own version etc etc. The Spinward Marches is a lost cause because of this, because all Travellers have there version of what this should be So hopefully an area that few have cared to even look at can finally a be a place we can all agree upon.
Finally the biggest trouble with T5 is that it missed the point that this is supposed to be a game at heart and a game should be fun. Number crunching and having so many details for things that you spend more time constructing and working out the roles etc, is simply not fun. The most important aspect of a RPG and the best way to win is for everyone to have fun. White Wolf got this right with there superb line of dark world books and the grand daddy of RPG's done right 'Call Of Cthulhu' is the golden benchmark all RPG's are up against for this fan. Traveller has had way to many years to get it right by delivering a product that doesn't require pages and pages of errata, fixes, error corrections and worse. There's so many great products and adventures for Traveller but let's be honest, the rules are all over the place and no 2 Travellers can even agree upon all of them. So I'm hoping that perhaps this new rule set and brand new realm of properly charted space might finally provide a means to have not just an agreed section of the Traveller universe were all players refer to these guides and agree this is the setup for this area of space but a rule set that doesn't require corrections, is straight forward and manageable by everyone and that above all else promotes fun and adventure for all, with an area of space that can finally be a standard for all to game in and we can share our adventures agreeing on at least this area of space.
All in, backed the max pledge and it is my hope that this becomes a standard of Traveller that finally provides a great method for new Traveller players to get into and not just curios and bits and pieces to once again extract for the older Traveller players.
I'm just curious as to when a physical DVD or hopefully after all this time a Bluray will become available?? The other issue of course is going to be that a lot of the backers will need there shipping addresses updated as I'm certain after all this time there will be many changes of address.
Here's hoping this will eventually come out. I wasn't expecting anything more than a good story and I liked what I saw.
Here's hoping it amounts to more than this: https://www.youtube.com/watch…
This alleged complete movie amounted to 90minutes of green screen. Poor humor by someone.
Jolly Blackburn had this to say last month, over on the Knights of the Dinner Table Kickstarter page: "Well got a group PM from Ken today. First communication from him in 6 months. Looks like he's laying the ground work (as in excuses) for why he won't make the August deadline. Course that's me reading between the lines. Then again I was expecting zip from him in August anyway."
So, no. Not feeling optimistic.
@Ken Whitman - We're almost a month away from GenCon, and we haven't had an update regarding this film project in several months. You stated that this film would be ready for delivery in some shape or form by GenCon 2017.
He'll be too busy because he's filling Pencil Dice pledges...
Only 43 days until Ken kicks the can another year down the line! Who's excited to see what the next lie will be?
Anyone want to guess what it will be? I'm going with... "he's working hard, but he doesn't have the funding to complete the edits unless we buy something".
@Rich Yeah, Ken's a frelling con artist.
Any word about this?
Just anotherther Kickstarter scam.
Well, it's Friday 2 June 2017... Con Caorlinas here at Charlotte is being held, and later in the month of June will be Heroes Con that is one of the largest, oldest and best comics convention, definately gonna get things printed out to show around the two cons and share warnings so that no one else will have to go through this crap. .
I don't care about his pilot quite frankly. I only backed it on the low level because it looked pretty amateurish already. What annoys me is that he tried to supplement this campaign by making follow on sales for models that he didn't deliver. This is probably illegal and certainly unethical, but either way, I'm not prepared to give him anything more.
@Kevin. You sir, define patience and tolerance!
However, I am certain that nothing will ever come of this. His list of failures and fraudulent behavior is well documented now.
"A man's word is his bond. He has until August 20th of this year to demonstrate what his word is worth."
I think he's already done that, more than once. But, if the DVD actually shows up, I'll be glad to publicly apologize.
@Pat Robinson - I'm going to give him this last chance to redeem himself in regards to this Kickstarter. He gave his word about a year ago that a release of this project would made available to backers no later than GenCon 2017.
I will be attending GenCon 2017 this year, and I'll be checking my e-mail Inbox for updates regarding the electronic delivery of the film during the convention, as well as checking in with some booths and other individuals regarding the film.
Should I board my plane to return home on Sunday evening and still not have either a functioning download link for the game, or a confirmation that I will have the download link within seven days of returning home, I will at that time write off this KS project as a bust and avoid any other future endeavor involving Ken Whitman (film or otherwise).
A man's word is his bond. He has until August 20th of this year to demonstrate what his word is worth.
I think we can all agree Ken is a scam artist. He has ripped me off on several Kickstarters...
@Ken Whitman - You stated earlier that this film would be delivered to backers no later than GenCon 2017. It is now March 21st, and GenCon 2017 is five months away.
Can you provide us with an update regarding the post-production work you've done on this film, and demonstrate any advancements you've made towards delivering the final product?
Mr Whitman has been playing around on YouTube overnight. Added seven vids, but nothing for Spinward Traveller. Perhaps ironically, the first was titled Deceptive Heart.
Nobody here or on pencil dice will be surprised to read that.
Um, ouch. Wow
Ken's a bit busy...
Any updates, Ken?
Happy two year anniversary, everyone. In theory, only 210 more days until we see the DVD.
Anyone want to wager on whether or not it happens?
What is going on with this?
I think Marc is very careful about what he says in cases like this. I'm guessing he's had conversations behind the scenes, and is choosing to keep it that way.
Wonder why Mark Miller has not posted anything related to this project. It is his IP that seems to be getting a black eye...
Besides a Kickstarter is predicated on the assumption that one has a viable project, with a viable plan that requires a set amount of finance to bring to completion. The emphasis being on viable, plan and completion within a reasonable time frame. Now, Kickstarters may miss completion dates or encounter unavoidable obstacles but from almost day one D20 Entertainment spent more time and effort trying to sell (and failed to deliver) merchandise to raise more money to complete the project. So the that means the original budget model was lacking. Then there have been excuses that indicate poor resource allocation and time management for failing to process any video footage indicative of progress - movies etc have rough cuts etc released for preview by backers ALL THE TIME, it's part of the business model to prove a project is progressing. Everyone should remember when the rough cut of Wolverine, with all the CGI missing, was pirated: this footage existed as 'proof of concept' so that the producers (ie invested financial backers) could have input before committing further resources to completing the CGI, this is also why so many productions regularly have 're-shoots'. Again, part of the industry business model.
Ken lacks the appropriate basic business sense, he's an enthusiastic amateur lacking the skills and discipline to operate within the field of his choosing. He's like many actors who have looked at producers, directors and editors and thought 'that's easy I can do that' - some talents can successfully cross from one side of the camera to the other, many more cannot (eg: William Shatner's woeful debut directing one of the 'odd numbered' Star Trek movies). Even fewer can juggle roles that are usually performed by separate people ie: director/producer.
There are exceptions, like David Lynch, John Carpenter and Kevin Smith - but those gentlemen sweated blood to complete their projects and Ken is not one of those. Even EraserHead had something in the can to show for it when production was stalled. Ken has produced some cheap looking credits (Ken, try adobe premiere it has a ton of plugins available that will practically do the credits for you in an afternoon) and lifted a shit load of footage from Serenity for his TV promo. Ken, did you not think we couldn't go frame by frame and spot the few seconds of actual Traveller footage with Beowulf in it . . . it was of embarrassingly poor quality, reminding me of the sort of effects BBC used in Blakes 7 and 1980's Dr Who (nb: at the time they were 'great' and the BBC did amazing stuff on a shoestring 30+ years ago).
'You don't send a one legged man into an arse kicking competition', that's another way of saying don't keep trying to be something you just aren't cut out to be. The whole 'follow your dreams no matter the naysayers' bullshit is just that: sentimental bullshit to excuse failure/lack of ability.
The real shame is there are probably truly talented people out there who could direct and edit a Traveller movie to completion but haven't the connections of equipment to realize that talent. While you, Ken, have the equipment and none of talent that's appropriate to the task. Take the raw footage and give it someone who can edit it, get some business advice from a business expert so that concepts like budgets, revenue streams, resource management and project management enter your vocabulary. Finally, for Gods sake, out-source the CGI and 'stop living the dream' - work is just that 'work' and hard work is 'hard'.
PS: spell check your messages . . . the words with the wobbly red line under them are spelled incorrectly
PPS: try using 'grammatik' as well (or whatever is the equivalent in whatever software you use to compose messages).
@Linwood Niles Smith - This is the point isn't it. I'm fortunately not heavily invested in the TV show itself, but did spend significant money on the models he sought to sell outside the campaign. These weren't delivered, and I for one am certainly not going to throw more money after bad.
Wait...You've taken my and my fellow backers' money (to the tune of $49,800) and done .03% more than diddlysquat with it, taking nearly 2 years to produce approximately 30 seconds of a 30 MINUTE product... and now you're wanting even MORE money from us, Ken? We aren't wanting, and neither are we expecting miracles from you Ken... just a finished product in a timely manner. And at this rate, Spinward Traveller will be ready in roughly 88 years, give or take.
Too late for a Traveller TV series - Canadians beat you to it ie: KillJoys, Dark Matter and then there is The Expanse. The opportunity has passed and been grabbed by people who actually finished their product. End Credits? What about something to credit the end of first.
The brass balls of this man. Just had a message asking for $10 to get my name onto the credits. As I said in my reply, Are you insane? If you think I would throw good money after bad you must be deluded!
Good job, Ken! Thank you for the preview of the end credits. Remember, folks, $50K is an incredibly cheap price to produce a pilot, so there are bound to be hiccups and delays. Believe in the reasons why you backed this in the first place. Let's go somewhere!
Time for a class action lawsuit ? Anyone a lawyer on this that would take it for contingent ? 40%
Two days after I posted the prior comment, d20 Entertainment posted the following reply:
"If anyone would like to get ahold of me my email is firstname.lastname@example.org. Thank you for understand that this is best way to resolve any issue you may have. Thank you for your understanding."
And here's my response to that: "Not so much an issue, as questions about the status of the project that I think all backers would benefit from. As such, it seems more appropriate to request the answer here (or in another update) so that all the backers of this project can have the information."
I mean, I'm not actually expecting to see any commentary on his priorities for completing the Kickstarters (because I actually doubt there is any actual intent to complete them), or any update about how much of the film is finished (because I suspect the answer is "none"), or a comment on the 'network trailer' (I think that speaks for itself). But I'd be quite happy to be proven wrong.
I posted this in the latest update as well. Hopefully, we'll see a response.
Clearly, my comments have been... negative. But, equally clearly, I'd love to see this project succeed. I just have concerns, and I'm hoping that Mr. Whitman will be able to address them.
1. The backers for the Knights of the Dinner Table film, the Castles & Crusades film, both Pencil Dice fundraisers, and Deck Dice are all reporting that they have not yet seen delivery of a finished product. With this in mind, and given that you've posted to all of those projects as well on the same date (and presumably with similar news), I'm wondering how you are prioritizing delivery of the finished products? Will you be working on them sequentially or simultaneously? If sequentially, will it be in order of original promised delivery dates (putting Spinward Traveller last)? If simultaneously, how will you balance the demands of producing three different physical products and completing work on three different movies simultaneously?
2. Last August, you had 38 seconds of footage completed (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/d20e/spinward-traveller-tv-pilot/posts/1331314), and indicated that you would be able to complete between 30 seconds and a minute of footage per day. How much of the film is completed as of this latest update? Even if it is not ready for pressing to DVD and Blue Ray, are we able to see any more of the footage? (I feel that this last, in particular, would go a long way towards silencing your more vocal critics.)
3. Could you address the network pitch you told us about in Update 108 (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/d20e/spinward-traveller-tv-pilot/posts/1385797)? Specifically, since you had the raw footage for the film, why was it necessary to make use of graphics from other shows? Wouldn't it have been better to show off what the finished product could look like?
Again, I genuinely want to see this project succeed. It would be wonderful if you delivered the cards, and the pencil dice, and the three films, all of them with exceptional quality that will allow you to silence your critics once and for all. I simply feel that greater transparency and more frequent updates (with sample footage) would make everyone more comfortable with the delays.
Agreed, this experience has put me off backing kickstarters. I'm going to stick with companies and individuals who have a proven track record. I'll back anything Reaper Miniatures does. They are honest and deliver on what they promise.
I don't know. I guess we all should have done some better due diligence on this guy.
Lots of us are still rooting for you and Spinward Traveller.
@Craig Wright - I can completely understand your apprehension to back another TV Pilot KS after how this particular KS was handled and executed. But remember that not everyone in the world is Ken Whitman, and that there are other people out there that are passionate and determined to see their project make fruition.
As a side note, I had the pleasure of speaking with a representative of Kenzer while I was at the Origins Game Fair this year. I'll refrain from using the person's name, but assure you that this was a person very high in the company's "Chain of Command".
Although the person stated that they couldn't comment in regards to the Traveller project, the person did state that they were sorry for how the KotDT Fan Series was executed. The person went on to say that that "Ken approached the project with a lot of enthusiasm and energy" and that it started off really good. But that Ken showed a "lack of mental fortitude to follow a project to its completion", and that he at some point "abandons his projects". The person ended the conversation saying that he/she knew that the projects "had been filmed" but are sitting in the "Editing Room Hell" waiting on Mr. Whitman to finish them projects.
Needless to say, this isn't a very complimentary statement about Mr. Whitman. But, keep in mind that there are a multitude of people in this world that have truly inspired ideas that they are determined to see become a reality.
For Mr. Whitman, I can only say this: If you are serious about making these projects happen, then you need to apply yourself to them and make them happen. As a person that's gone through multiple hardships in my life and hit walls that I thought I'd never get through, I can attest to you that putting your nose at the grindstone and keeping at it will get you to where you want to go. In my life, I've put myself through college, built myself up in an industry, changed careers where I had to start all over again, go back to college, got a Master's Degree, and through many years of financial and emotional hardship, I've come back from it all stronger than before. Anything is possible if you apply yourself hard enough towards the task at hand.
If you are honest regarding your commitment to making these films, then the challenge is easily defined. Go finish them, and let nothing stand in your way.
@Rich: I kinda hope your suspicions are wrong too. But that is looking less and less likely, eh? I was tempted to back another TV show kickstarter proposal the other day, then remembered this one, and decided against it. :(
News other than "Ken/Whit Whitman is a thief and a liar", that is. Because that isn't news.
could we get an update please? Any news for us at all?
Anybody heard anything?
I understand there are no DVDs yet, but what about my signed script? That would have been done 2 years ago.
No rewards have been sent as far as I have heard. I know I didn't get my BLU-RAY/DVD, digital download, script or anything else.
Has anyone received any rewards?
@John Roger Morris. I pledged and paid $30 for the pilot:
SPINWARD REGION-FREE BLU-RAY or DVD: with extra features, behind the scenes featurettes and directors commentary. (Includes all previous rewards)
Ships anywhere in the world
Estimated delivery: Dec 2014
Hmmm, only found this today. $660US on the ships plus I can't remember how much for the t.v. pilot
I tried that on March 15th below. Didn't seem to work.