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Hey won't be long now. Ken's last update here was
We have set a new release date for Summer, 2017. Of course we hope to get your project to you way before that date, but would rater surprise you then disappoint you again.
Can't wait to get my pencil.
Sigh. I suppose I should have clairified my tone. I regret the wording of my previous comment. It's not so much that I genuinely think it will be fulfilled any time soon (if at all), it's just that I am exhausted by this whole thing, and maybe I'm too polite with how I chose to express that. Rather than describing how extremely frustrated I am, I instead expressed how WONDERFUL it would be if Ken was to fulfil his obligations. But I assure you, the polite hints that I am dropping come from a place of major disappointment.
@Deltah: you seriously think that Ken is even interested after all this time to make good on this campaign? How long until you realize that this will never get fulfilled? 5 years? 10 years? 20?
After two years, it's likely that the crew may have to eat the pencils to survive the trip! But in all seriousness, Ken, we're counting on you to make good on your promises and prove our concerns wrong.
Ken how is that ship doing? Has it crossed the Pacific yet? I really hope the crew brought a lot of provisions. I mean, hell — they set sail two years ago with those darn pencils.
Wow. I send Ken one comment on the BossDiva's FB page and he blocks me! The wanker.
Not all that surprised really. I might just make up a new profile and post directly to his page.
listen, he wants to be accurate and thorough in his work. don't bother him. you might piss him off.
The rapid pace of updates and information here from Ken Whitman is blinding.
that's what I love about games. they really help with logistics and planning for the future..
@Pat Fuge - Pencils are never coming, just search for Ken Whitman on google to get an idea of the scale of the frauds (plural) he has been perpetrating.
Well, we are nearing the end of year 2 waiting patiently for our pencils.
Any word as to where the money we sent for these went and why the factory wasn't paid? We have contacted them a few times and their response has been we are waiting for the payment to produce these.
Ken? is there any reason for us to believe that these will still be delivered?
A simple honest yes or no would be appreciated. No BS.
A "I spent the money on makeup and acting lessons would be fine". Just let us close the books.
August 2017...are you sure Ken Whitman didn't mean 2117? Long ago gave up believing this thief will ever deliver on this project, he's a liar a thief and a scum bag and I welcome any desire he has to threaten me with jail time.
IS THIS PIECE OF CRAP STILL SELLING HIS PINCILS? JULY 2017 WAS THE DEAD LINE BUT NOW IT'S AUGUST?? IT'LL SOON BE SEPTEMBER... IT'S A COMPLICATED PROCESS PRINTING UP SOME PINCILS AND KARDS.
FYI this production company is looking to press charges against Ken Whitman. They are looking for other 'victims' who are interested in the same thing. Feel free to contact them. https://www.facebook.com/BossDivaZProductionZ/posts/493586187501735…
Ken just reiterated the August 2017 delivery date to me in a Facebook message. (after he contacted me to threaten me with jail time for a "federal crime" because I sad something snarky about him on the internet) I'm sure that means that everything is on track and that we'll all be deluged with more pencil dice than we know what to do with come August. I'm marking my calendar now.
@ Matt Voss I would support your campaign.
Loving these comments on the ship...which is now a ghost ship filled with containers of Pencil Dice.
Yay! Only 6 months before he signs on and gives us another estimated ship date!
That ship must have taken the scenic route...
Maybe the ship wasn't coming from China, instead, it was a ship heading TO China, with Ken on it....
@Matt Voss: Count me in.
@Jimmy Hudson: We are never going to get the pencil dice. The ship that left China disappeared in the Bermuda Triangle and hasn't been seen since.
So has that ship that Ken claimed left China in May, 2015 been spotted yet? Should we organize a search party?
Just checking in again to see where we are with this project :(
Been a while since I checked in to see if this joke ever got funny.... It hasn't....
I'm a bit confused over this second campaign - are you suggesting we give you more money to get what we already threw our money away on???? I wouldn't touch it.... These pencils would not be worth paying twice for them....
Sorry, it's not that I wouldn't trust someone else to do it - but I don't have money to throw away - Ken robbed me and my son, has no remorse over it..... Not sure how he sleeps, must feel real good about himself.
@Matt Voss: I'd be down to back it.
Still here and still pissed
Sign me up Matt! I'll back it. And I'd be interesting in supporting your nonprofit campaign as well. Thanks!
Matt, I'm still interested in getting these... I'd back you
Love it Matt, I've backed your projects in the past and am willing back a new PD campaign.
I dont know if anyone would be interested but I'm going to do a campaign to get us our Pencil Dice. I'll source them myself, get them printed and delivered to the US and get them shipped if anyone is interested.
I've ran two mildly successful kickstarters for my games, Cockfight and Runecast. I was approached by this creator during the time of the campaign and the RPG Pencil campaign to cross promote to my Runecast backers, which I did because I thought this was awesome!
I didnt think we would all get screwed and be here almost 2 years later with nothing to show for it. As a creator and a backer it's pissed me off. These two campaigns bothered me so much that I am actually working with a group of like minded individuals to create a Kickstarter Fraud Non-Profit to go after these people and hold them accountable.
That being said, I've sourced these pencils, and would like to run a campaign to get them into everyone's hands.
My word is my bond, when there were issues with Runecast shipping that were unexpected I took on over 10k in personal debt to get it sorted. I wont let us down.
Let me know what you think.
Charm City Games
same as Deltah, i rarely leave a comment but in case Ken should ever feel the vibe, the itch of his conscience, to see how his backers feel--here I am Ken...you were my first, hopefully last, Kickstarter screw job.
@Kasey: You can contact your state's attorney general and report Ken for running off with your money. Given the small amount, it is exceedingly unlikely to get any attention whatsoever.
Aside from that... Nada.
Alright, so what's our recourse?
Any update on the trees that were planted for the pencils? Thanks for any details you can share.
Is this "our" Ken Whitman? Great pic, Ken.
I hope Ken is happy with himself, i really do. Someone should get some joy out of this, even if it isnt me
Summer is ending tomorrow, looking for an update...
I don't leave comments often, but that doesn't mean I've forgotten that Ken owes us some pencils (and much more to the folks of his other projects). C'mon Ken, ignoring the projects isn't going to make them disappear! Making the money back legitimately is tough, but you gotta do something to restore the trust of your backers. Being silent or rude to them isn't going very far for that.
I heard a rumor they just planted the trees from which the Pencil Dice will be made. Check back in 10 years.
Ben, our money is gone. Ken spent it on other efforts. It's starting to look like he did that pretty much from day one as soon as Kickstarter transferred the funds to him.
It's really tragic, because all Ken had to do was cut a check to the manufacturer and then ship them once they came in (to be honest, I'm not 100% sure Ken properly budgeted for the shipping, but he never even got to that step, so the point is moot).
It's theoretically possible that Ken is going to work to save up the money that he needs to make pencil dice become a reality. My personal opinion is that at this point it doesn't seem especially likely.
The only recourse is for someone to blow the money to take him to civil court for damages (this is unlikely unless someone has access to free legal services), or for some prosecuting attorney somewhere to bother to pursue charges against Ken. The combination of the relatively low amount of money and the legal weirdness that crowdfunding brings to the equation leaves us not knowing how likely this will be.
Hey been on hiatus,
(With ball now)
I did urge Ken to produce at least pictures of a product.
@Ken, I did vouch for you.
@ Backers, any ideas?
I've been looking online, but I've got goose eggs.
Hit me up @
If you got any ideas,
I'll keep searching.
No. It's not for Kickstarter to refund. In order for them to be culpable, you'd have to be able to show that they knew Ken was never planning to send us pencils before the funding period closed. I don't think much of anyone believed that was the case back then.
Has KS ever refunded anyone's money for people who were scammed? It's only 5$ that I lost so I'm not overly worried. Obviously it's not okay to take people monies and not give them a product. But in the same thought: we are like small investors who take a risk. Some investments pay off and some don't.
PS. Benjamin. It's been a week, no news from Ken on the Pencil Dice. Balls in your court.
Kickstarter doesn't support him Andrew. Ken made a bunch of Kickstarters at the same time before KS got wise and shut him down. Currently Ken is blocked from making another KS under the d20e account. he can still post, he just can't make any more KS to scam people out of money.
How does kickstarter continue to support him: ? Or allow him to post and start projects if he has such a bad record? It makes KS look bad. And makes me not want to use KS. Also at what point does KS take responsibility and pay is back? They do make money at this.
It's called kicking the can down the road, Toren. Everytime it draws close he kicks it again. Now a year at a time.