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Update #28

Followup

Hey guys,

We've quite literally received a flood of messages mainly concerning the new material and a few other points that made a lot of sense. We thought we'd elaborate on our material selection and how it might effect the project in its entirety.

For those backers unfamiliar with the new material, Grivory™ is a co-polymer resin reinforced with either fiberglass or carbon fiber. Though the material is not very common on the market, it was actually developed as an aluminum substitute for high-precision and wear-tolerating properties. For those technically inclined with materials science, kindly view the datasheet here.

The most famous application for Grivory™ right now is for knife blades and various components that require heavy wear tolerance or high stress situations. Surface finishes for Grivory™ are literally endless. We will be going with Grivory™ GC4H which is 40% carbon fiber by volume. Needless to say, the newer parts are actually an upgrade over the previous aluminum and we forgive the confusion.

Tighter tolerance ensure high quality castings and parts with extremely high precision. Though we had originally planned to go with CNC milled aluminum, we have been strongly discouraged the 2nd time around as the sheer time it would take to mill each component is enough of a deterrent. We are extremely confident in our material selection as it offers much higher tolerances and precision as well as a level of wear resistance and shock resistance than originally planned.

A lot of backers might not be aware however that tooling for this process is actually extremely costly. There will be no plans to modify the prices of the units however one backer suggested that backers whom have vouched for a special edition black unit be given an incentive. We are EXTREMELY pro this solution and our team will be discussing the best way to handle this.

Additionally, any backer wishing to switch from a silver unit to a black unit may do so before April 30th (as was pointed out, it is only fair). You may simply send us a message or an email at kickstarter@crypteks.com with your name and your request. A confirmation will be sent upon receipt. 

Note On finishes

A point of note on the finishes by using this new material/process is the level of control we have over finishes. Finishes will quite literally be much more durable and depending on the formulation, finishes will look and feel much better than simple anodizing. Surface finishes are being selected to provide that "pearl-beading" look, as well as the satin-esque feel. 

VERY IMPORTANT:

Tooling begins next week. Your general feedback is something we take very seriously. As the "explosive" commenting has forced our hand (and we do understand the frustration), we'd like from our backers a simple choice:

1) Continue using the new material

2) NO! We want CNC Aluminum

Time to tally this up guys. At the end of the day, we're making these units for you and if it requires a little more effort on our behalf (25 hours our of 24?) or some collaboration with our backers to get you what you deserve, then we're definitely in. 

Let the voting begin!

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      Creator GROUX Stephane on April 13, 2012

      Aluminium or Grivory, i have no preference.

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      Creator lodie nicolas on April 13, 2012

      aluminium ! take care about the delay ...

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      Creator arachnist on April 13, 2012

      Any updates? Please? Also, I'd like to change my vote to aluminum - it actually looks better than Grivory.

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      Creator Christopher Banks on April 12, 2012

      Deliver the product as advertised. Aluminum please.

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      Creator Shantanu Joshi on April 12, 2012

      Aluminum. NO Updates Cryptrade?

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      Creator Mauricio on April 11, 2012

      CNC Aluminum

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      Creator Andy Newson on April 9, 2012

      Continue using the new material

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      Creator Yui on April 7, 2012

      Probably a bit late to the party, but just want to cast my vote on whatever makes the most durable piece of security possible. I backed this project for the security and encryption part, so I will vote for whatever material can withstand the most abuse. That being said however, I'm leaning towards aluminium, especially if you can get it through micro-arc oxidation for the black units.

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      Creator Ekkehard Wohlleben on April 7, 2012

      I don't care what exactly the material is. Why's matters to me is the metal feel and look. Is that the same with the new material??? If yes I am good with doing the new stuff, otherwise I want the aluminum!

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      Creator Daniel A Greenspun on April 5, 2012

      Grivory sounds groovy!

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      Creator Andrew on April 4, 2012

      Use Aluminium.

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      Creator James Brown on April 3, 2012

      I'm funding this project to kickstart a company. I agree with Matt Gold, i'm backing whatever way you decide. Thanks and good luck!

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      Creator Mike on April 3, 2012

      I have a higher confidence in aluminium because I know what its failure limitations are and I'm not certain of Grivory. I imagine that mine will get a fair amount of use and likely to be dropped a few times or at least roughly handled. Would Grivory stand up to impacts as well as aluminum? The whole idea of this is to secure the drive, if i can drop it on the ground and crack the casing is it really that secure?

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      Creator John Burn on April 3, 2012

      Aluminium or another metal but NOT plastic / Grivory.

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      Creator Michael Tughan on April 3, 2012

      So I've been attempting to keep track of sentiments in the comments, and find what way we may be leaning. This doesn't include other contacts to Cryptrade with remarks, but in this thread at least, we've got 72 solid votes for aluminum, and 41 for grivory. That comes out to about 64% for aluminum and 36% for grivory. There have also been indifferent comments, saying they're fine with either material; those comments are not counted here.

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      Creator Chris Worrall on April 2, 2012

      I've been looking into this Grivory stuff, so we ordered some in and ran it through our injection moulder.

      I'd like to stick with the original Aluminium please.

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      Creator Rizal Repin on April 2, 2012

      Grivory or aluminum it doesn't matter to me, it's the Uniqueness of the product design and idea that interested me in the first place.

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      Creator Tom Tuke-Hastings on April 2, 2012

      Aluminium all the way. It was the solid feel I liked from the begining, plastic just cant compete

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      Creator Peter Hofman on April 2, 2012

      I arrived at the point, I just want one... Plastic sounds like beeing cheated when you ordered an black anodised aluminium one. Given the fact blank aluminum users can just switch to black grivory, makes me believe I paid too much... I want value for my money.

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      Creator Paquot Jerome on April 2, 2012

      Yes, Try this Grivory

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      Creator Thomas George Lareau on April 2, 2012

      Grivory sounds intriguing. Yes!

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      Creator Boris Sorochkin on April 2, 2012

      CNC Aluminium.

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      Creator Sam on April 1, 2012

      Grivory. You built this thing; I for one have confidence you're seeing it through. =)

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      Creator Jonathan on April 1, 2012

      Their money situation will only get worse as more and more of us bail. I requested a refund. If, and only if this product actually ever comes to market, I'll buy it a retail price. I've lost three months of interest already..

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      Creator Chris on April 1, 2012

      Aluminium

      If grivory is chosen i will be requesting a refund, the only way i would have backed this project if grivory was being used is if it was 50% cheaper, i have a knife that has a grivory handle and it feels very cheap, i also have the same knife with an aluminium handle and it feels alot stronger, the knife with the aluminium handle was also double the cost even tho the blade and everything else is the same, i know molds cost alot to make, but going with grivory will save you guys alot of money in the long run, which im sure is the only reason for the change, my other question is why have the units not already been made out of aluminium, they all should have already been made, im aware of the whole lawsuit, but the only thing you guys changed is your company name, you did not change your logo, so the only thing that would have to have been changed would be the printing on the usb stick cover, trying to sucker us into changing the material this late leads me to believe that you have not even started with manufacturing our units yet, which there is no excuse for, let me guess the money from us went towards your legal fees, and now you dont have enough money to make all the units owed to us out of aluminium

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      Creator Marc Wollenschlaeger on April 1, 2012

      2) CNC Aluminum

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      Creator Will Scott on April 1, 2012

      2) CNC Aluminium please.

      It's what was advertised and a change like that to a significantly different material shouldn't be made this late in the process.

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      Creator ER on April 1, 2012

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      Creator ER on April 1, 2012

      I think it i time to stop wasting time!! 2 days ago you guys throw another curve ball into this project with a new material "option". This is insane. You guys got funded months ago and the legal issues would not have kept you from securing the tooling and materials needed for the build of the CNC Aluminum drive when you got funded.
      It is clear that nothing had been done on that end.
      It would be interesting to see how many of your current backers would have backed this project if you would have introduced the drives made out of the new material rather than CNC Aluminum. I don't believe you would have gotten nearly as much funding. I know I would not have backed the project.
      For the record I have read all of the materials on Grivory and prefer Aluminum for the drive.
      As patient as we all have been, the least you can do is deliver on what we payed for and stop wasting time. Thanks.

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      Creator Chris Worrall on April 1, 2012

      If the new material has the same quality, and won't leave me feeling like I've been short changed then I'm open to the idea.
      But, it needs to look, feel and hold up just as well as a block of milled aluminium would have.

      However, if there's the remotest chance that I'd be disappointed, I'd rather wait - just give me an honest idea of the timeframe and regular updates.

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      Creator Carly on April 1, 2012

      I just wanna know when it's arriving......don't really mind what it's made of!

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      Creator Kenneth Goins on April 1, 2012

      If the new materials matches the feel and weight of the original CNC version, then New Material it is!
      Otherwise, I'd stick with CNC Aluminium. I ordered the black one...

      Also can you please tell us how much the CNC version weighs and how much the Grivory version weighs...

      Thanks

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      Creator Jim Kelly on April 1, 2012

      I'm OK with Grivory. My concerns were about value. I have to trust Cryptrade that the new material is expensive to create so, I withdraw that concern.

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      Creator Loc on March 31, 2012

      Grivory!

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      Creator Hawyee Auyong on March 31, 2012

      Grivory - I trust your judgement

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      Creator Alan G Trevorrow on March 31, 2012

      Why are we discussing issues of build at such a late stage? In Q4 last year notification was given that this unique super safe USB product was pending imminent distribution for January 2012. We were then advised that Crypteck was an infringement regarding the product / company name and a new fixture of march 2012 was given although 3 months on copyright issues was always wishful thinking.. All ok so far in respect to the process of development and sh*t happens. So when we start taking about manufacturing and material composition issues it sounds like were starting from scratch, makes me concerned and reads like an indefinite target. Quality was offered and I trust nothing has changed. Unless its broken why change it.. Aluminium is just fine, don't get drawn on more complications. Please Team, I really would appreciate a revised deadline of when I can open the box. Be assured that i fully support the process of kickstarter and in particular your concept but surely we have reached the pruduct stage. Regards Alan T from Cornwall. UK

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      Creator Aleksandr on March 31, 2012

      CNC Aluminium CNC Aluminium CNC Aluminium

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      Creator Dave Confessore on March 31, 2012

      I vote for aluminum. It's what I paid for and is one of the main reasons I backed this project.

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      Creator Adrian M. on March 31, 2012

      Actually, this is pretty late, but what would people think about using something like 300-series brass? I think it would cost about the same as the Grivory for raw materials (going by per-foot of rod stock), but tooling for brass is relatively cheap and lasts quite a while. It has excellent heft (three times that of aluminum) and machining characteristics, both for ease and precision, and it ages beautifully.

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      Creator Shantanu Joshi on March 31, 2012

      Aluminum. And not delivered in 10 months. This project has been truly disappointing. Shouldn't the decisions on material have been made in december?

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      Creator Piscator on March 31, 2012

      However there have been a lot of comments regarding heft and feel. I agree they are most important If Givory can't compete on this level I change my vote to CNC ALUMINIUM.

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      Creator Piscator on March 31, 2012

      1 use the new material. Sounds super.

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      Creator Ashley M on March 31, 2012

      Aluminum, as originally stated. I (and I'm sure others) would be interested in how much you guys are saving by not manufacturing the product in aluminum. Most choices in manufacturing come down to cost savings. So just how much of our money will they save by doing this?

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      Creator Alexandr on March 31, 2012

      2) CNC Aluminum

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      Creator Shiroboshi on March 31, 2012

      Looking over the figures, Grivory sounds suitable...

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      Creator IDKU on March 31, 2012

      Prob add to that vote - yes we signed up for aluminium. But ultimately I care about the overall form / function, etc. There are manufacturers who make computer chassis (incl laptops of course), but doesn't make that the right choice AND vice versa.

      If using Grivory means we get an even better piece of kit then I'm up for it... Just so long as it doesn't feel as cheap as the $4 imation drive I've got at home..... ;)

      We've got all things Apple at home these days, and even a IronKey so I do know how nice the CNC aluminium kits feel - but I'm all for what the guys think is the best material for the amount of money we pay. (and better be!)

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      Creator IDKU on March 31, 2012

      +1 for Grivory

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      Creator Moritz on March 31, 2012

      CNC Aluminium (or a different, (more) suitable metal - NOT plastic. Not even if it's fancy plastic, though.)

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      Creator arachnist on March 31, 2012

      +1 for Grivory. That stuff is is used in all kinds of heavy-duty stuff, ranging from automotive parts to military equipment.

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