Where does the pimp weapon appear from when you kill the last of a set of VIPs?
Crows should be harder to hit with a melee weapon than a walker.
@Oliver Lutz yeh.... I know what you mean... its interesting that they've scrapped all the weird and wonderful pledges like design your own survivor options - like, there's no magic about it at all - it really is exactly what everyone knows KS is - a pre-ordering system.
I'm intrigued to see how they can spin this out another 3 weeks - honestly, I'm bored... yet more stretch goals, a few more zombies, the occasional left field SG, a new survivor, oo look more zombies animals... maybe we'll see zombivor SGs of the 12 RM survivors kill a few days of SGs... but really? I'm just not that excited by it all... sure, still looking forward to the game to arrive on my door sometime mid next year, but as far as a KS campaign goes, it's just 28 days of pre-planned reveals.
I would love to see the season 2 as optional as i missed on that one in kickstarter and it is far too expensive in my country to buy it in the shops
@ Andy since you are going to use Zombivores as VIP's Oksana isn't useless anymore. ;)
Putting them in a bag isn't a bad idea but i think it would be a great addon or SG to see a card deck of all Zombivores and VIP's so you can randomly draw cards to see which one spawns.
I think it's twelve cards.
How many crow spawning cards are included in the stretch goal? Three, twelve?
The Crowz cards in the Stretch Goal are the same that will be included in the Murder of Crowz box. If you're only using the Stretch Goal Crowz you can easily tweak the difficulty by using more or less Crowz spawn cards.
@Andy Marshall and C: No doubt about that! :)
I think my problem ist that the Stretch Goals in question kind of ruin the magic. I know most Kickstarter campaigns are all about getting as much money out of us as possible, but a good campaign makes me forget about it and gets me thrilled. I don't feel that kind of thrill when I look at those goals. It's like they lift the curtain and let me take a look at the money-generating machinery behind.
Anyway, I'm sure there's still a lot of stuff to look forward to. We'll see what the next goals bring. :)
@C exactly - to everyone complaining about getting some *free* crowz that you might not be able to use unless you pay out $15 for a box of them, "in the end, we're getting a buttload of mini's for a good price, and it's a great deal for the new players."
@Andy et al. : Works for me! (: I know RAFM miniatures has Elvis impersonators, so you can now make a custom Elvis survivor complete with Zombivore! :D
Also, spot on about SGs and KS. Still, in the end, we're getting a buttload of mini's for a good price, and it's a great deal for the new players.
@C - I was thinking about just going along the box trays to try and get as much variety as possible... or put em in a opaque bag and draw them randomly like in scrabble?!
Whoa - long reply - sorry.
@Edouard - a Michael Jackson thriller VIP would be awesome!!
@Jurgen - I was planning to use some unused zombivors as VIPs too... I might throw a couple ultrared weapons in the stack of pimp weapons as I don't have S1.
@Oliver Lutz - yeh - I know what you mean... tbh, these KSs aren't really what KSs were made for - fair enough they've become what they've become in the wargames / board games industry, pre-ordering systems without the Paypal fees or bank loans, and they work very well for that... call my cynical, but this idea of SGs being there to try and eek out a little more cash is kinda ludicrous - a campaign like this (or any other well run, highly successful campaign) will have been planned out meticulously, of course they knew Oksana would get produced along with her zombivor, of course they knew the crowz boxset would get released - this whole SG process is purely about keeping the game in the minds of backers - it's all about momentum, making us backers feel like we're backing a winning game, a part of the excitement at seeing more and more stuff added to the basic game to help us feel like we're backing a once in a lifetime product and to miss out on this would be awful, and credit to CMON, they play this game very well... of course they want us to buy more stuff, of course they want us to keep chipping in on new survivors and addon boxsets of crowz... so what if there's a few SGs that some people think they get nothing out of (whether that cause it utilizes something from a previous zombicide KS (eg pimp weapons and survivor cards) or requires you to buy something else to use (eg oksana or crowz)... there's still plenty of SGs that are "have something usable for free" (eg another 2 VIPs, more pimp weapons, another survivor and zombivor)... if they do have a SG that is inly useful to a limited number of poeple, then yeh, it's a bit of a useless SG and accordingly won't be that effective at pushing up the total, but it's hardly any skin of our noses - thats CMONs issue to deal with.
Personally, I doubt I will be buying anything but the Infected RM box and something to make use of my $10 credit, probably the S1 cards to use with my toxic city mall missions or a survivor... but even still I'll still be getting loads for my money, so really can't complain, even tho i might get a few crowz that a re a bit useless, or watched a few SGs sail on by that have no use to me (oksana zombivor).
Would be nice to have a mechanic to determine which VIP to spawn. Unless they are all unique sculpts of course.
@donnbobhardy & @Eli
To counter the extra activations you could just take out enough crow cards to balance it out :)
They would be rarer but they are not actually meant to be part of the core game anyway so a small crow surprize might be fun too :)
Stupid question, but how do you choose *which* VIP monster to spawn on the board? I've only found the VIP rules on the Home FAQ, so may have missed this info somewhere.
And after posting it i find the Vip spawn cards in the SG... :) So you COULD use the Zombivores as extra VIP's.
Hi, this might have come up in another section but it would be cool if the Zombivores from the chars you are not playing could show up as VIP's.I don't know what spawn-cards the VIP's have but that would make them more usefull.
The question of what cards are in the Crowz card stretch has been asked and unanswered many times. Here is my theory on why:
By not answering the question, they leave it open to change. Maybe they will indeed have another stretch for another 5 free Crowz (or even several!). They can quietly up the number of cards each time that happens to correspond to the number of free Crowz given.
Are the cards from the 1100K stretch goal the exact same cards that come in the Murder of Crowz zombie box (same amount, same ID numbers, etc.)?
With all the strech golas with VIP can we get a recap on all the models? We have the 20 from the box and 12 SG, but can we see the drawings of them all?
@donnbobhardy you have a good point about the extra activations. And with extreme distances, that could be brutal.
@Neelz - Probably not. If you don't buy the add-on Crowz you will either never see them (buried in all of the other zombie types) or you will have extra activations like crazy.
@wargamer70:the 1,150k stretch is Oksana zombivor,it maybe come soon !
Love the crowz idea! I also think they should only be killed with ranged weapon. This would be more realistic and add more challenge! :)
Ratz would be cool too...
It does seem like we have enough time to have another set or two of the crowz thrown in before the end of the KS. I'm at least hoping that we get enough for a full set by the time it's over.
So are 5 crows and their spawn cards enough for a game to test them out?
I Know we already have loads of survivor models but I would like to see some more resident evil based survivor models from the computer games, maybe some more survivors that resemble characters from other zombie based computer games like left for dead
@Thiago, I had to scroll back the updates to find that 1150 SG. I guess I was confused when the latest announcement basically showed the 1100 and the 1200 and left the 1150 out.
It's just an idea,it will be fun to have a Mickael Jackson survivor inspired Thriller clip !
@Oliver:if you want to see basic game rules of game,you can see it on Zombicide.com.
I agree to you and it's not the end of the SG !
Stretch goals (and exclusives) are artificial scarcity, anyway, and did anyone really think the campaign would end before reaching 1100K? CMON could have just as easily made the crow mini and cards at 1100K and nothing 1050K. The gaps between free miniatures went from 90K to 150K. We already have 50+ free miniatures as it is.
I'm guessing that CMON has blown through the free stuff and add-ons faster than they though they would, and wanted to slow down the campaign, which has definitely happened. See KickSpy and KickTraq for the daily pledges.
... and sorry for the typos. Just finished my workout for today and now there's not enough oxygen reaching the brain, it seems ... ^^
@Andy Marshall: I'h happy with what I get for my money, just not with some of the SG's. I saddens me that they didn't make them add-ons right away. SG's should be for all backers in my opinion, not only for those who pay extra money. For the latter we have add-ons.
Nevertheless I'm really looking forward to this game and think overall it's a good deal. But considering the SG's previous cmon kickstarters were an even better deal. ;)
So do the crawlers get extra activations if you roll 1s and don't have enough models to spawn more crawlers?
Seriously folks, "pressure people into paying more money"?! Have some willpower!
If you don't want the crows, don't pay for em... I'm not bothered about using them, and certainly won't pay more money to use something they gave me for free that I didn't ask for. That's my choice, no one's pressuring me.
Also, don't forget that all these kickstarters, esp cmon ones are all designed to make them as much money as possible, which of course means making the deals as attractive as possible to try convince you to part with money... If you don't like something, don't pay for it. Just the $100 set alone has so much stuff in it even without another 21 days of stretch goals, I'm really not sure how anyone can complain about it all.
Just to be clear, i am not saying the ks is a bad deal. I just don't like how some of the goals make me feel. I was expecting to pay for the crows but the way they revealed them made me feel wrong. "Ooo they're giving the crows for free... Who cares that they're using up 2 goals.... Next day, wait a minute, i DO have to pay for the crows... Ok... But lame..." That's what i don't like.
@Jason: "I really don't like how starting with zombicide 2 and now arcadia quest and season 3, you've been having stretch goals that don't provide enough components to be useable to pressure people into paying more money. "
Absolutely agree with you.
We should be able to make use of the stretchgoals. But the crows and the minis we only get if we buy their counterparts feel like dupery to me.
It's like cmon said: "Look what we give you! Just add a bit to your pledge and you will have so much fun with it."
Though those SG's may technically be free, practically they are not.Sorry, but that has a bad taste.
Maybe my calculations are off, but we already have about $150 worth of free stuff via stretch goals, and 21 days to go. I may not love every stretch goal, but over allit's still great value for money with more to come.
People think it's a 100k gap because there has been 2 "non-goals" in a row. Crow cards and a goal for an add-on :)
I thought the same thing because i block the crappy goals out apparently, lol. It's still 50k goals though!
GUYS, THERE'S A STRETCH GOAL AT $1,150k.
A gap of 100k$ SG It's not fair!
I've been waiting a week for tactical info on the new zombies, thanks for the great update.
I'd love to see an update that shows us the new tiles for season 3 and info and pictures for the new survivors. I like many others, am also wondering about the lack of zombivors in the RM box. An update about this would be greatly appreciated.
I really like the feeling about the crawlers, seekers and crowz. I just hope there will be tactical counters like the overwatch rule I suggested below.
I love cmon but man, i hate the way their recent kickstarter projects make me feel... New marketing strategy?
I really don't like how starting with zombicide 2 and now arcadia quest and season 3, you've been having stretch goals that don't provide enough components to be useable to pressure people into paying more money.
Since i don't like to complain without offering suggestions, it would be great in the future if the goals were revealed in a different order. The issue with crows (beyond stretching them into 2 goals) is that you provide the crows and then a day or two later let us know that we won't get enough to use in a game. If you let us know that when the goal was announced and at the same time had the add-on for the crows, then it wouldn't create such a roller coaster of feelings.
Also, have less stretch goals and just eliminate the useless goals such as splitting out cards and figures and having stretch goals for add-on items (zombivovrs). Then at least i'd be excited for each new goal instead of having stretches of 150k where i basically think there are no goals.
Just trying to make things better in the future.
@Allan: When different zombies share the same place in the targeting priority, you can choose which one you hit.
@Joshua Leslie: If the Crowz have two target zones in different directions, then yes, they will split (and possibly add an extra figure to balance the groups). What the text meant is that they don't split halfway through a move if there are multiple possible paths.
@Jurgen Volders: The VIP box comes with a few new Pimweapons.
@Frank Wisnes: You can randomize the spawning VIPs however you want.
Some great info.
@Jurgen:yes ,they will be includes in Rue Morgue box !
You can also see basic rules on Zombicide.com.
@ Jurgen. Season 1, Toxic City Mall and Season 2 all included Pimpmobile weapons.
So as well as the three that are in the VIP box, I'd expect some in Rue Morgue and Angry Neighbours.
The Pink M4, Gold AK and Daisho we got at 670k are also pimpmobile weapons.
I'm guessing that zombie is the Leatherman/Biker. Which means the Very Infected Village People are still on... Give us the Big Chief, Cowboy and Soldier please!