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Scam: A fraudulent or deceptive act or operation.
Fraudulent: obtained, done by, or involving deception, especially criminal deception.
Deceptive: Giving an appearance or impression different from the true one; misleading.
I think we have a winner on Deceptive.
Star Citizen is absolutely not a scam.
Chris Roberts has a proven record of superior space game design. Wing Commander I through IV, Privateer, & Freelancer were amazing achievements which brought me and countless others hours of pure enjoyment.
Chris has no history of scams, but to the contrary, has an impressive list of accomplishments. To call Star Citizen a scam is unfounded harrassment, a direct attack, and defamation of this great man’s character.
It's an absolute scam. Get a refund (see link below).
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if the "spirit behind crowdfunding" is "thing you pledged for never materializes in any form" then i wish every publisher was EA
This is my monthly reminder that this project is a huge scam.
I was pumped for Star Citizen for years. So much so that I soon became a concierge level member. I had a couple small issues arrise, but they were overcome by the caring hand of Chelsia, who really made me feel like RSI appreciated me. I kept my support in RSI at full throttle, becoming a six tier conceriege member. (six times the $1000 needed to be concierge) Chelsia left and Alexis happened. Years passed, and I finally made a stupid $20 mistake and melted a package that I had applied a Yellowjacket upgrade to. Dang it. So I contacted concierge for help. Alexis wouldn't even try to help. Said it was her husband Ben's special craft and she would not go against him. Huh? I bought the silly upgrade during the sale and just wanted help restoring it. Forget that, she refused to help me, point blank. I was so dissapointed, and realized that RSI, or certain staff members, didn't really give a crap about me, or my concierge status. All I wanted was a chance to buy back my mistake with cash money. I tols Alexis that her attitude was going to ruin my future sales, but she didn't seem to care. Dang,, I missed Chelsia. Anyway, I guess RSI has gotten too big to care about even the largest backers. From total loyalty to thinkging about getting a refund has been my inner nag since then. I still believe in the Star Citizen Dream, but it's difficult to forget that CIG has so radically changed it's customer appreciation policies. Crap this sucks, but I am not going for a refund. Gonna hold onto the dream, and endure the disregard I was given from a single employee who didn't seem to care about helping me. While my excitement in future funding was crushed, my desire to see the game completed hasn't been.
Lol, this comment section is so toxic and don't know what the spirit behind crowdfunding entails. Please guys, go back to triple A. Just please, do it for the love of crowdfunding.
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/ is the best thing I've found on this site. Got my full refund around a month ago and doubt I'll be looking back. I honestly don't think Squadron 42 is ever going to actually happen, and at this point we're looking at a Duke Nukem Forever / No Man's Sky level of disappointment scenario. Figured I needed to get out while I still could.
I apologize for not being able to post anything for a while. This project is a scam. Please anyone seeing this, do not fund it anymore.
that was tragic
i can't even laugh at this trainwreck anymore
their display at gamescom is beyond embarrassing
150 million dollar scam
"game is not going to be pay to win" what a joke cant believe I backed this
@Joel in your Kickstarter Package is included Squadron 42 and the MMO. In February 2016 they devided SC in two packages. But thats only for new pledges. Not for the old ones.
So, wait. I haven't booted up the client in three years, but looking now it seems like you have to pledge for Squadron 42 separately?
All I wanted out of this project was another Wing Commander, and that was what I pledged for, now it looks like all I'm getting is some kind of overambitious MMO which I have little interest in, but not the Wing Commander part?
lol, now 3.0 is gonna be a year later than they promised, with none of the features it was supposed to have, and they admit that the game will "ship" with 95% less content than promised, and the stalwarts applaud it
star citizen is funny as hell
get help here. my refund was pretty painless
i've asked them for a refund multiple times over a period of prob 2 years and they always have told me to go pound sand. they're thieves, as far as i'm concerned and i really expected more from Chris Roberts.
Hyperbole and speculation does not a coherent argument make.
But nothing about you is coherent.
"a little extra money?" what happened to the $153+ million backers already gave them?
and you think a broken test bed with no features and ships/characters that constantly jitter through walls, which craps out when more than five players are together in an instance resembles a game? lol
What risk? If they can't deliver they lose the IP, yeah. But if they can't deliver there isn't a game so the IP is worthless to them anyway.
They wanted to dump a little extra money into "Squadron 42" and took the equivalent of a payday advance - NOT a payday loan.
If the game goes POOF! before the date when they'd get the tax rebate from the UK government normally, they lose the IP. If that doesn't happen, well, nothing changes. They keep getting the tax rebate like usual and the IP is no longer collateral.
As for "nothing resembling a game" you're completely full of it and you know it.
You hate "Star Citizen," I get it. But you're peddling a nothingburger story.
CIG took an advance on a tax rebate THEY WERE ALREADY GOING TO RECEIVE.
Hell, you don't even know what the definition of 'loan' is because a 'loan' implies the thing being loan would be returned. Or else it's not a loan.
Like this is not a loan. But an advance.
yeah, it's totally normal to risk your entire company for the equivalent of a payday loan
they couldn't possibly be in dire financial straits after six years and a burn rate of 3-4 million a month, with nothing resembling a game on the horizon
Nevermind, SavageHenry, I found it. And it's much ado about nothing.
The relevant portion:
"In a statement posted on the game's official forum, CIG co-founder Ortwin Freyermuth stepped up to explain the financial issue. Freyermuth's explanation? It was simply an advance on the UK government tax rebate CIG receives every month for the development of sister project Squadron 42."
I pulled my money because of slow development and my own personal financial issues. But there's no sense in blowing things out of proportion.
"i'd advise anyone on the fence to get a refund asap. they just had to secure a loan by putting the entire company and the star citizen ip up as collateral."
derek smart was right. about everything. and chris roberts will never live it down.
i'd advise anyone on the fence to get a refund asap. they just had to secure a loan by putting the entire company and the star citizen ip up as collateral.
if by some improbable miracle a game ever comes out, you can always buy it at that time. your chances of getting your money back for this farce are rapidly diminishing, however.
"I am thankful that CIG is not pushing back on refunds. It proves Derek Smart is wrong; a company short on cash doesn't return money without a fight."
in most countries they are required to give refunds because no product has been delivered. all a refund proves is that they have the cash to cover it and consider the cost of the refund to be lest than the cost of defending a lawsuit.
I contacted CIG customer service and they facilitated my refund efficiently. I'm now just waiting for the funds to get deposited in PayPal.
I don't wish the game ill (as some seem to), but I feel it has been long enough. The project turned into something I'm not interested in as time went on and funding grew. I wanted a new "Wing Commander", not a new "Privateer".
I am thankful that CIG is not pushing back on refunds. It proves Derek Smart is wrong; a company short on cash doesn't return money without a fight.
Especially not the amount a concierge member commits.
Arrakisdef No scam here, you're just not looking in the right place for updates. http://www.robertspaceindustries.com and https://www.youtube.com/user/RobertsSpaceInd and https://twitter.com/RobertsSpaceInd all have updates on daily and weekly basis.
I backed this game in October 2012, I am backer #9,907. The estimated release date at that time was November 2014. I am writing this in May 2017.
I only wanted to show where somebody who is interested in the project can find the updates
I don't know what you are referring to @Torsten Straeten, but Kickstarter has a contractual obligation to hold its creators to its Terms of Service.
Updates can be found at www.robertsspaceindustries.com.
Kickstarter is always not interested in solving problems with scam.
I wanted to continue to remind everyone that this is a scam. And Kickstarter will take no responsibility or acceptance in its part in the role.
Maybe the game will come out. Maybe it won't. I doubt it was a scam. I think everyone had great intentions but maybe not a realistic plan.
Despite insisting that feature creep was not a contributing factor to the game's lateness, it sure seems that way.
I honestly think that if the game comes out, if ever, it will come out at a point where I will no longer care to play it. My memories of Freelancer have faded and I'm not a pirate so I have no access to a copy of the game I once loved so dearly.
It was a nice dream, and even if it becomes a reality to everyone else, for me it will likely remain just a dream.
Yes, I get that it is a big, involved game with lots of design and tech. It would just be nice to get an update to confirm that it is actually still happening. 4 years between updates is not really understandable.
This project is the most monumental effort of modern game design. I honestly think it will take 2 more years for Star Citizen the MMORPG to reach a truly complete stage. Yes alot longer than expected but if you compare to MMORPGs of the past, it takes years to balance a game even after release.
Star Citizen crosses more technical challenges than five of those games on its own. Its fidelity, game mechanics, intricacy and complexity are shaping up to be something history will remember.
This is the most high fidelity virtual space ever created, and as someone who does research in simulation learning & VR technology I can tell you this is worth the massive investment of time we are all making, to push forward human technology in VR.
- Original backer #28,000 Nov 2012.
Another month is out with no updates.
Another month has passed. Just another drop in the sea of the time that the game will not come out.
Hi there, just wondering what the process would be for me to get a key at this point?
I backed the game during it's kickstarter and then sort of forgot about it in the mean time, but since it's now playable I'd like to mess around with it.
>>Just get a refund...
You got a refund, as I recall. ;-)
>>The game is never coming out. They're going to run out of money; downsize, then close up shop.
You've been claiming that for HOW long now? A broken clock is correct more often than you have been.
>>It was due to be delivered Nov 2014. It's now Jan 2017
We had a vote due to the surprising success of the funding (that still keeps pouring in!) in which we elected for going for the full game at release rather than taking the E:D "smaller chunk at a time" route. Darn that Chris Roberts for listening to his community! I realize you have never tried to listen to anyone but yourself so this has caused a lot of consternation for you. Banning and living in a hug box has worked so well for you, obviously, which is why you are the... person you are today.
>>even the 3.0 patch which was "coming on or before Dec 19, 2016" when they were making tech demos under the guise of progress, is no longer in the Q1/2017 schedule...
One step at a time. The 2.6.1 schedule is up. https://robertsspaceindustries.com/schedule-report
Next is 2.6.2 and then 3.0. I know you like to do the "wishlist" method for your hobby project that languishes in forgotten purgatory (only how many years overdue now while sprinting through that last mile?), so it isn't surprising you don't appreciate how a real game company handles such things. Or industry practices. Or industry terminology.
I will just leave this here in case anyone makes the mistake of thinking you are someone with actual authority or credibility: https://www.reddit.com/r/DerekSmart/
After all... didn't you die on that little hill you made claiming Star Marine wasn't in 2.6?
Anyway, when 3.0 comes out, I assume you will snap harder than you did over your failed 2.0 claims a year ago. Priceless. If so, well, thanks for over 2 decades of laughs at least! 8-)
Just get a refund. Unless you backed it for an amount that you feel is payment enough for what you have received thus far.
The game is never coming out. They're going to run out of money; downsize, then close up shop.
It was due to be delivered Nov 2014. It's now Jan 2017, and even the 3.0 patch which was "coming on or before Dec 19, 2016" when they were making tech demos under the guise of progress, is no longer in the Q1/2017 schedule.
And no word of Squadron42 either.
More info on how to apply for a refund:
that's pretty much how i see it too Arrakisdef. They will be "working on it" til the cash runs out, then they'll dump whatever they have and call it a day
Obligatory, another year has passed and this game is basically a cash grab scam and will never be released.
hahaha that livestream fucking killed me
they have NOTHING. there is no game.
ret a refund, citizen:
Oh, joy! Another shitty alpha that they refuse to inform their kickstarter backers about. And its only (insert number of years) later then the game was supposed to be released.
Alpha 2.6 due to drop next week. Lots of goodies.
Another day, another... no game.