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lol, people still post here?
What a ripoff
How is Line of Defence doing these days ?
Must be galling to see so much effort and finesse and detail in a project,that you could not achieve and your only recourse is to troll and harass another developer and community.
Now if you could actually produce something decent again something like BattleCruiser then you get my attention but it seems you put more effort into vitriolic comments and untruths than anything else,pity you wasted any talent you had on this near insane crusade don't you think. ?
In case you folks haven't heard, as predicted, Squadron 42 isn't coming out in 2016
Desperate times calls for desperate measures eh Derek? :)
Oh btw you have no say here. You can't ban me here like you did on steam and twitter.
Go back to your little irrelevant bubble on twitter and leave the rest of us alone who supported this game to succeed not fail like you want it to.
I can't believe you kept your jealously of Chris Roberts going for the last 26 years ever since Chris beat you to the punch with Wing Commander. So sad. Time to move on old man.
Yeah, because insulting me because you don't like people posting the truth about the project, has worked out so very well thus far. If that's your plan, then this is probably going to sting a bit.
@Derek: Oh you are such a clown. :) I am a happy camper, game will be as promised and I am enjoying it as we speak. You just can't adjust to a crowdfunded game, that is your problem, not the games. Also if I had to list all the contradictions you make, I had to write such a wall of text that this comment section will be too small to name it all.
@Derek Smart, A year ago you were entertaining, but as of late I worry for you. Your arguments are seeming less and less cogent by the day. I would like to urge you to seek mental health experts. Understand, this is not meant as a slam, I just think you're overly obsessed about getting an apology.
@Derek Just wanted to say thanks for those commenting here, about two weeks ago I got my refund after following the suggestions in those posts.
I was an original backer of this project. Back in July 2015, after looking deeper into the project, I came to the conclusion that not only were they way in over their heads, but that the increased scope had ensured that the project, as pitched, could NEVER be built. I still stand by that opinion; even as $120 million and 2 years overdue, the project is still not even 15% completed.
I have written a series of blogs about this project since then.
By all accounts, they are not likely to complete it. Even as Chris is now talking about shipping a Minimal Viable Product, then building on top of that. That is a complete contradiction of the project most of us backed here on Kickstarter.
Since July 2015, the more hardcore fans who are waging a war of attrition across the Internet in an attempt to quash any/all dissent, have taken upon themselves to engage in all manner of attacks and harassment.
Through my efforts, as well as those of others, the June ToS which wiped out two key provisions that us backers had, made it possible for anyone to ask for, and obtain a refund.
If you feel that you were misled, that the project as-is now, is not what you were pitched, or you wish to enforce the promised Nov 2014 ship date; which, even with an 18 months leeway for delays has now come and passed, you SHOULD ask for a refund. They have NO legal excuse to deny it. You won't get refunded for gifted items or subs; but anything else is 100% subject to a refund. It is YOUR right as a consumer. Exercise it.
And whatever you do, try not to engage in any of the discourse that the aforementioned "fans" engage in. It's a losing, time wasting effort. Just get a refund and go spend the money on another game.
CIG doesn't send updates through Kickstarter. They have their own site, and you were instructed around 4 years ago to link your Kickstarter there.
They have weekly updates, video and text, about what's happening. The game is in Alpha and playable. They just shared whats coming in the 3.0 release and it's mind blowing awesome.
Check out their site (robertsspaceindustries.com) and their YouTube channel (Star Citizen) to get up to date.
Very great stuff.
The scope of the game naturally changed when they raised many many millions of dollars.
Years and years and some amount of days. I really wish I could stop having to remind them of this.
THIS will NEVER be FINISHED..
A few days ago, I received an email from CIG stating that they were refunding me my pledge ($37).
Further to your recent communications, we have discussed this internally and decided that it would be mutually beneficial to close your account in accordance with your request.
Your orders are all outside of the time frame that our system allows us to refund, therefore we will need you to provide us with your Paypal email address so that we can return the funds as a manual "Send Money" request, thank you.
Sometime around the beginning of this year, I opened a ticket with CIG to request a refund, pointing out the 2 year clause. It was denied ( see my earlier comments on this page for details ) with their standard bullshit about 'unearned' crap. I gave up for a while, until a few months later, where I filed a complaint to the AG office in WA, based off the template that was provided by Derek Smart.
Some time afterwards ( a few days ago), I got the email from CIG above, and gave them my paypal details, and they have transferred the funds over.
I am not sure what made them change their mind, but they did reply to me via their ticket system, so it looks like filing a complaint was an important step. I also filed complaints to both the BBB and AG, so some pressure there couldn't hurt.
I'm happy to finally get away from this whole train wreck, and wish everyone else the best of luck in getting their rightful refunds as per the TOS.
hahaha it finally starts unravelling for good with the streetroller refund saga
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I could have bought a lot of noodles for $40.
Thankfully it's only 30$ down the toilet for me.
Absolutely do NOT agree to the new ToS if you ever want a refund and/or financial accountability.
what a train wreck
definitely dont go to their website if you can avoid it because their new terms-of-service is incredible
not that it'd hold up in court, but holy lol
@Silver Fox, what @Martin Norland posted isn't exactly a good place to look. Anything vaguely asking a question about release dates, concerns, or anything that isn't "OMG STARCITIZEN YAY" gets removed from the subreddit and robertsspaceindustries forums.
@Silver Fox go here:
@Silver Fox Nothing has happened. They continue to "sell" models of ships and not get anywhere with the game. They have a shitty hanger you can walk around in, and a barely functional flying sim.
Hey uhm... I've only recently even remembered that I backed this project way back in 2012, can someone maybe tell me what the heck's going on? I'm seeing a lot of stuff that just seems kindof confusing.
For clarity I was poking around in my e-mails and the last one relevant to this game is back in 2012 also, update #48 specifically, so... What on earth happened?
bless you, dr. smart
i am not worthy
Today is Star Citizen "GET A REFUND!" day. Scroll to the bottom for the JUNE 1st update.
hahahaha and they just backed out of e3, being held literally ten minutes from their main studio
i wonder if the ten hours of sq42 cutscenes will even make q4 2017
their current TOS expires at midnight tomorrow, so you might wanna try for a refund
it'll be denied, of course, but save all your correspondence with them if you want to take them to court
and be careful about signing into their website, as they may update the TOS and try to get you to click that you agree to a further extension of it
i think you can contact their customer service via zendesk directly, instead of having to sign into anything
Oh, and still no update. ;)
Looks like people are even giving up posting on here. I hope that CIG crashes and burns and it sets a precedent for projects like this in the future.
Another month, still no information.
It amazes me how little CIG has managed to get done with arguably one of the biggest budgets a game has had in years.
This rivals many studios, heck it probably dwarfs some budgets at this point. And here we are with an alpha that is buggy as anything, any number of ships are only hangar ready and apart from a bit of COD in space, there's not a lot to show for the huge investment.
I mean they chose unreal engine which is an amazing decision given the funding at this point would or certainly should mean they could build their own.
Will something ship? Probably. But I do not trust CIG or a single word said. It's a pure money grab at this point. It's like a competition to see just how much money people are stupid enough (really at this point thousands per ship for quite a few ships) to throw at them.
Every other week. It's another hundred's of dollars ship released. More money being soaked from very naive people. And people think this will crush other games.
lol. It might. In 2018. If it doesn't implode under its own stupendous weight and ego. Who knows. But I am out. Not going to buy a thing. No-one should. Ever. Again. Until CIG actually start to deliver.
But a new ship will come out next week and the faithful will fall over themselves to buy yet another ship. Good luck with that.
i wonder if star citizen will be the catalyst to congress stepping in and passing some regulations on non-investment crowdfunding
i accept your surrender
Stop trying to twist my words.
I said its stupid to listen to a carpenter that makes claims about other carpenters when the same carpenter cant build houses himself.
Its not about a deflection, its just common sense.
you dont take advise from a bad carpanter its just that simple.
Annyway, im done spending energy on you
If you want to keep preaching be my guest, i wont respond annymore.
again, derek smart being bad doesnt make star citizen or chris roberts good
but nice try at deflection
Forgot to mention it was
But of course there are other games he havent finnished building as well.
Sure, sure , he only swindled people for promised features and overhyped his own game up.
I quote : In 2003 Gamespy named it the 19th most overrated game of all time due to the hype Derek produced with his extremely ambitious game play promises that he would ultimately be unable to fulfill.
Im not listening to a carpenter that makes claims about other carpenters when the same carpenter cant build houses himself.
Its just stupid.
derek smart didn't swindle $112 million on the back of lies to make his lousy games
i appreciate that you've dropped your ridiculous defense of cig though
this project will go down in history as the worst crowdfunding disaster of all time
Also i dont need to refute anything.
you are not my boss.
I make my own mind up, if i want to write something, and honestly i wont care because it woud probably fall for deaf ears annyway so why shoud i spend energy on it?
It doesnt make sense to spend energy on somone that dont want to see your argument in a better ligth than some certian inviduals have here.
Derek Smart shoud fix his own games first.
Why shoud i listen to his claims when he cant even listen to the people that bougth his game?
He even blames the publisher and refuses to do anything about it himself.
derek smart is many things, few of them good, but he's not wrong about star citizen
try refuting the actual content instead of fixating on one individual you want to discredit
but since much of that is croberts' own conflicting words, i imagine you'll find that hard
Sorry, but you lost all credibility when you involved Derek Smart in your link.
aaaaaand croberts himself today talked about releasing a "minimum viable product" sans many stretch goals, promising to "keep working on the game as long as you guys are supporting us"
though i'm sure stalwart citizens will be along shortly to tell me why this is nothing to worry about
I just want what they promised at the beginning. Single player is what I like as I have little time to spend on multi player. I wonder if we would have the game already if there had not been a constant stream of cash flowing over the years.
Don't get me wrong it sounds nice, looks nice but I would have been happier without a lot of it.
I have backed some projects that simple stuck to the original plan and I could not be happier. I did not think I was really backing a AAA title that would be years in the making and more. I just want the basic game.
I might go buy Elite.