Funded! This project was successfully funded on May 18, 2012.

Update #12

What's Happening Now!

Greetings and salutations, Kickstarter backers! It's been far too long, we know! July has been a month where we've dedicated nearly every waking minute to production. As you probably know from the previous update, shortly after funding we ran into some quality concerns with our original manufacturer. What kind of quality concerns, you ask? Well, without getting into specifics, we found what we were getting to be wildly inconsistent, leaving us with little confidence that our original manufacturer could handle the production numbers - an appalling realization to encounter when you've pledged to send several thousand loyal backers a mask by late July.

Which brings us, as you know, to late July. We've been back and forth with our new manufacturers almost constantly since early June - we're very happy with what we've seen. We're clearly behind schedule, and for that we apologize, but we're happy that we were able to catch potential problems early rather than unknowingly ship out something that would have looked/functioned terribly and possibly fallen apart on your unsuspecting faces. We're still waiting for a few more pieces of information before we can say for certain when we'll be able to start shipping, but right now our best guess is early September. We realize that this is later than you folks expected it, but unfortunately the timeline is now somewhat out of our hands.

And now for some good news. We've been able to fit a couple new features into the code of Remee, namely Signal Wiggle and Light Ramping.

  • Signal Wiggle, a name we're simultaneously proud of and embarrassed by, is a fairly simple feature that allows for the lights on Remee to fire at slightly irregular/randomized intervals. You might set Remee to display every 15 minutes after 5 hours have passed, and then select a 25% Signal Wiggle - this will result in your signals firing at, for instance, 12 minutes, and then 17 minutes later, and then 13 minutes later, and so on. It's a feature designed to help better catch that elusive REM sleep without relying on strict time intervals.
  • Light Ramping, which we're quite excited about, allows for your patterns to slowly ramp up in brightness throughout the night. Your first pattern might be at, for instance, 35% brightness, but as the night goes on it will gradually increase to 60% brightness. We've both had good results using this feature.

Both of these features are optional and designed to help make Remee that much more customizable, so users can find that "sweet spot" to maximize Remee's potential.

Apart from that, we've been hacking away at the customization app, and we're getting close to being able to release it. We're already using it ourselves but there's still a bug or two to work out. The Bit Banging (entering settings into the mask using flashing lights on the screen) works perfectly. It's a very cool, low profile, and rarely seen method of transferring data, but we're big fans. We've already been brainstorming ideas (when we have the rare free moment) for different usages of this retrofuturistic technology.

Now that we (and you) have a better idea where Remee is at, production-wise, we'll work on updating more often with little bits of info we think you'll find enlightening. Priority number one is obviously narrowing down an exact day we can begin shipping. We thank you again for your support, encouragement, and continued patience.

Duncan & Steve
Bitbanger Labs

PS: Backers who selected coin and journal rewards, we will start shipping these soon. Thank you!

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      Creator kolby kayso on August 16, 2012

      If you need to detect REM just look at the Sleep Cycle app on iphone, that thing can detect REM sleep, just reverse engineer that. Yeah it might take longer, but considering it detects REM just using a couple of motion sensors. And these motion sensors aren't new technology, considering they have been in Iphones since the start. It probably won't be that difficult either. And in that way you wouldn't even have to have remee stare at a computer screen to program it.

      PS if you guys use ths, I expect to be brought on as a consultant, salaried consultant that is.

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      Creator Les (deleted) on August 8, 2012

      Response to the above post from the Remee guys via email:
      Hey Les!
      I wanted to reach out to you about your comment regarding REM Detection. No, Remee does not detect REM, and for a very good reason. We don't believe that current methods of REM detection (infrared and accelerometer based) warrant the extra cost and added bulk when compared to the results they offer - infrared detection is pretty hinky - lots of false positives and missed opportunities for a feature that would feasibly double or triple the cost. Accelerometer based detection is simply flawed from the get go. There's simply no reason to believe it would work to begin with, and our many, many tests with various "rem detecting" smart phone apps confirm this. Instead Remee relies on coarse and fine timers, as well as discernible patterns - not to mention wearability. The first of many differences between the $30 unit you linked and Remee is that the one you linked would be practically impossible to sleep with. It could detect REM 100% of the time, walk your dog, and do your taxes, but if you can't wear it while you sleep, what good is it? I hope this clears up our design decision - I apologize for any confusion that arose as a result of this, but I'd like to paste a piece of the copy from our Kickstarter page, lest you think we were being deceptive:
      Below is quote from the Kickstarter main page:
      Sleep stages are divided into two main categories: non-REM sleep and REM (Rapid Eye Movement) sleep, where dreams typically occur. Over the course of the night a sleeper will cycle through the five stages of sleep a number of times with the REM stages lasting longer and longer towards morning. In default mode, Remee targets these long chunks of REM sleep towards the end of the sleep period. Before bed, turn Remee on, fine tune the brightness of the lights (if needed) and then go to sleep. Remee will wait for an initial long delay, usually 4-5 hours, until you're in the heart of the heavy REM stages, before initializing light patterns. After the initial long delay Remee will display light patterns for 15-20 seconds with a second shorter delay, default at 15 minutes, between each signal. During non-REM sleep the lights are unlikely to effect you, but if you're in REM sleep the lights will bleed into your dreams, presenting a perfect chance to become lucid.
      Best,
      Duncan Frazier & Steve McGuigan
      Founders, Bitbanger Labs

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      Creator Les (deleted) on August 8, 2012

      Can Remee detect REM sleep, as promised?
      Quote from Jul 27 update: "It's a feature designed to help better catch that elusive REM sleep without relying on strict time intervals."
      Hang on a second! This product is supposed to be able to DETECT THE PEAK OF REM SLEEP!
      Below is another quote, this time from the video introducing the project.
      "The key to lucid dreaming is recognising when you are dreaming. That's where REMEE comes in. Inside... is a microcontroller that waits until you are at the PEAK OF REM SLEEP and then flashes a series of customisable light patterns."
      If Remee doe not have the promised 'REM detection feature' it's no better than this $30 hack :-
      (http://cre.ations.net/creation/face-mounted-lucid-dreaming-mask)

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      Creator not really Jake on August 6, 2012

      So.. weekly (or at least more frequent) updates. Where are they? I don't care about being late, I wouldn't even mind not getting the product at all. I hate that things get promised over and over and so far the only thing I've seen is a stupid laser cutter that doesn't interest me in the slightest. Get your shit together and show us something cool.

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      Creator Jordan Morales on August 4, 2012

      Thank you for the update, I've been quie serious. As for anyone who is impatient, you didn't have it before it won't kill you to wait a bit longer... And if it does well damn, you have bigger problems. I'm glad we will get a well made product rather than a mediocre product. CAN'T WAIT!! =]

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      Creator Tony Salinas on August 3, 2012

      I think these guys are working hard and being honest, and dwelling to bring a edge cutting product. If Kickstarter doesn't offer refunds is probably a way to back up the production process and seems fair to me. I really prefer to wait 2 months and even for Christmas in order to get some additional research reflected into the product and it seems like while they are sorting the manufacturing problems they are also improving the product and its capabilities. I still do not know if this product is simply has a timer or if it actually reading biofeedback patterns to operate. Could anybody explain a bit more how it works so the community can make suggestions now that the product is being improved.

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      Creator Chris Thomas on August 1, 2012

      I hate that I had to look up the following:

      Kickstarter does not offer refunds. A Project Creator is not required to grant a Backer’s request for a refund unless the Project Creator is unable or unwilling to fulfill the reward.

      Project Creators are required to fulfill all rewards of their successful fundraising campaigns or refund any Backer whose reward they do not or cannot fulfill.

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      Creator Thomas Hosea on July 30, 2012

      What CAN we say? I am ready for this product and hope it works. I am in business my self and have been my whole adult life. I understand what you are going through. I hope you understand how much your performance to date has and will effect the Kickstarter program and all of the people it could benefit in the future. Good luck.............................

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      Creator Alan Hoffman on July 29, 2012

      Gentlemen - I know this technology works as I used the Nova Dreamer from Lucidity.com many years ago, which is why I contributed to your project. With this latest update, however, I am a bit concerned about your financial outlook for actual production just to meet your pre-orders. You obviously lost money with the first manufacturer whose work was substandard. You've made changes with your current manufacturer, which would be extra costs, not to mention that switching to a better manufacturer probably means higher cost per unit. You have purchased new and extra equipment for your own use, and you must obviously need some of the invested funds for living expenses. Do you have enough funds left to meet your current orders?

      Best Regards
      Alan Hoffman

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      Creator Xing on July 28, 2012

      We are your best salesmen , don't disappoint us please.

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      Creator Xing on July 28, 2012

      I appraciate your words, but images would be worth than thousands of words. Not the images 3 months old, but a week new. Thanks

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      Creator Aaron L'Heureux on July 28, 2012

      Someday all the members of kickstarter will understand that it's difficult to produce a consumer product en masse...

      /s -- I can dream right?

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      Creator Jon Daniels on July 28, 2012

      I guess this is karma for all those late undergrad projects I turned in, but that really long gap in communication that just happened did not sit right with me. You guys will make up for it by having a kickass product, but my confidence is shaken, and looking at this comments, looks like I'm not the only one.
      I have a feeling you guys are learning through hard knocks the gritty administration side of this sort of thing, so hang in there!

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      Creator Donna Smith on July 28, 2012

      I did not understand 95 % of that message :/

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      Creator Bitbanger Labs on July 28, 2012

      Thanks, everyone, for the support. It's great to get back to it with redoubled confidence. To the folks saying "More updates!" - you're absolutely correct. Plan on weekly (or more frequent) updates from here on out, even if it's just to check in or share a quick picture.

      If you have to change your shipping address, just drop us a line at bitbangerlabs@gmail.com!

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      Creator ting ting wan on July 28, 2012

      i have a question about changing the shipping address, I think a few other members had the same question. Is that possible and how is it done?

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      Creator Geof Aberhart on July 28, 2012

      Welp, it sucks to have to wait longer, but as long as it's for a quality product, I'm totally cool.

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      Creator PriceTheLibrarian on July 28, 2012

      Look- you did an awesome job devising a great product that I'm grateful for the opportunity to purchase. Thank you. But, you are treading dangerously near to becoming vaporware. I'm losing interest, and that means you're losing free (but irreplaceable) word of mouth advertising. You've justified the delay, but, there's nothing tangible to keep me hyped up. I believe your posts, and I'm happy to see the increased quality, but keep it interesting. Give us some comparison pictures and frequent-but-brief updates. Think of who you're selling to after you ship this batch- we're your best source of advertising for round two, so keep your brand reps happy. Good luck, and thanks.

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      Creator Michael Santos on July 28, 2012

      I am convinced that it will be worth the wait!!

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      Creator Jeff & Richard Gerlitz on July 28, 2012

      Take your time guys! I've got nothing but time!

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      Creator Peter on July 27, 2012

      I am moving in September, can I change shipping address?

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      Creator GPJess on July 27, 2012

      I understand delays can happen, don't mind as long as it's this year :p
      I think I'm going to have to change my address though if September will be the actual ship date.

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      Creator Steve Goodman on July 27, 2012

      Thanks for the update---appreciate it!

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      Creator andrew on July 27, 2012

      thats because you probably saw it on reddit wherever and bought into the hype and not the actual product itself. you got all wet telling your friends that about the product that you forget that is it still the same product if not better , and this is KICKSPARTA ! i dont know why you have lost interest , i still really want the product and even though i want it now , i can live even if it comes in a year.

      :)

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      Creator blackchamber on July 27, 2012

      I agree with you Andrew Landry, vaporware. I've lost interest.

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      Creator Patricia on July 27, 2012

      I've lived without it this long, as in my whole life, so what's a few more months in the scheme of things?
      I really appreciate you guys working so hard. Don't give up on excellence!!! Thanks.

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      Creator Sarah on July 27, 2012

      Thanks for the update. Better late than lame.

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      Creator Mathieu on July 27, 2012

      Guys... If you want pictures of the product, you can check their website... http://bitbangerlabs.com/

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      Creator Morgan on July 27, 2012

      Thank you for the update!

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      Creator Unknown on July 27, 2012

      Didn't you promised some picture of your new area when you moved stock or smt ? Also product photos could be nice...

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      Creator Andrew Landry on July 27, 2012

      This is really starting to sound more and more like vaporware. I really won't be surprised once we hit September, that there will be more set backs to production. I don't want to give people the impression that I'm frantic to the get the device now, but in my view it really seems like vaporware. Now, you can sway my opinion with two items that MANY people have asked for: (1) pics, videos, sketches, etc. (I'm sure others would like to see what is causing the delays like a side-by-side comparison for instance or if there are any cosmetic changes) and (2) More updates (Again, I completely understand with large projects things can get out of hand and time vanishes in the blink of an eye but even just a simple paragraph update every two weeks would definitely make everyone happier). Just my two cents!

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      Creator Thomas Riddell on July 27, 2012

      Thanks for the update! I'd much rather get a 100% working product and patiently wait for that than to be angry with you for shipping too soon to meet a deadline you imposed on yourselves. Things happen, thanks for being forth coming about the whole thing. Looking forward to that polished and finished product!

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      Creator janis on July 27, 2012

      tks for the updates my friend be waiting for mind cant waitttt,
      janis reed

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      Creator Mario Santos Ramos on July 27, 2012

      Thanks a lot for the update guys, really appreciate it. Its totally understandable the shipping delay and its awesome to hear about the new features. Keep up the good work and keep us posted, this will be great and I am sure everyone here is excited for the final product.

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      Creator Colin Vesper on July 27, 2012

      Thanks for the update. Keep up the good work!

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      Creator Scott Thiessen on July 27, 2012

      Thanks for the update!

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      Creator Emanuel Lanager on July 27, 2012

      Great to hear you guys are adding new features right up to the last minute. Just shows how dedicated you guys are.

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      Creator Jeff C. Dragon on July 27, 2012

      Will happilly wait for a superior product! Already have ideas as to who can appreciate a Remee as a gift! I am sooooooooooooooooo excited. What if I can't remember dreaming at all? Nothing just sleep, wake up.
      Keep up the great work!

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      Creator erik g on July 27, 2012

      Thanks for the update! so excited to get my remee

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      Creator Noah Senzel on July 27, 2012

      Better late then never. Thanks for the update, now I don't have to be anxious until September!

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      Creator World on July 27, 2012

      appreciate the update

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      Creator Marina on July 27, 2012

      Thanks for the update! Looking forward to the product very much.

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      Creator Bruce Bacher on July 27, 2012

      Mr. Wieland took the words right outta my mouth. I would prefer a solid product any day. Thanks a million, guys.

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      Creator Jason Wieland on July 27, 2012

      I would rather have delays then a defective product. I think most backers would agree that the timetables are flexible when it comes to quality.

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      Creator fr on July 27, 2012

      can't wait

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      Creator Marcus Frasier on July 27, 2012

      Thanks guys

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