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Growdfunding project going wrong or scams.
@Leon Genking. How did you do on the Israel Policestation? Ariel Shtul is also friend with Efrat Barit (Facebook). She had together with Saar Shai the Kickstarter Ringbow project. that utterly failed as well. What the have in common is that they Tell Kickstarter and heir backer they live in the US. But they don't. The live(d) in Israel + that Saar Shai moved to London. (He backed out of the Ringbow project) to my opinion Kickstarter does little to nothing to verify who their creators realy are and where they are living. It is very easy to obtain an identity. Verified email-adress. For Ariel Shtul he still is active on facebook. Efrat Barit is not. (last FB activity 2012) Good luck for you all and I still want my money back.
Never received my order.
He has backed other products on here can't the address that the items are being shipped to be obtain somehow to get a possible lead on this guy can get our money back
hard to believe that it will help but i trying
actually right now I'm in the police station in Israel
I never got mine as well!
His brother https://www.facebook.com/shtul…
Am I and other backers going to see the final product or get a refund? Time to update everyone, please!
THIS WAS A SCAM. ;(
Time to harass the heck out of him. I wonder if we can get 4Chan folks to help us get a small token measure of justice?
He's disconnected his Facebook account from here but you can still get to it on Facebook
Active on there 14th Sept!!
unfortunately never get.
A lucky that I paid only $ 8 ...
I NEVER GOT ANYTHING FROM THESE PEOPLE. THEY HAVEN'T GOTTEN BACK TO ME EITHER. THIS IS A SCAM.
@Ariel Shtul. Don't bother to log in. Not on Sept. 9th and not in the future. As long if don't do not refund or deliver, you won't find new customers here. In fact most of the think that you are a liar and a thief!
@W. Laging - Some sadists love to bask in their own glory
Just for the records: June 3th and July 23th. He keeps coming back for a peek.
Yes Leon, thank you! If we were to post a complaint on the Facebook site you supplied, since it's all written in Hebrew which I'm sure many backers are unable to read, perhaps you would supply some of the language in terms of what would be helpful to say in our complaint post.
Thank you Leon Genking!!
I'm a little late to the comments party. Interesting that his listed website is actually for a weight loss website. It's ironic as I lost a little weight in my bank balance from this project.
שלום לך חמוד , וואלה אני בהליך של הגשת כתב אישום נגדך בארץ אל ההונעה הזאת. ( תשמע בתחלס לא מעניים אותי כל האנשים האלה פה, אם הם יקבלו או לא יקבלו את המוצר. אותי מעניין שאני יקבל!!)
I started the process of filing charges against this Israeli scammer in Israel which I'm from in local police .
https://m.facebook.com/israelpolice maybe if all off you guys start send complains about this guy may the things start move
Great news!!!! Given that this disreputable dic (Ariel) continues to check in here regularly hopefully he is seeing it. Either way it looks like he is trying to rip more people off under another alias. At least that's what my friend tells me.
And here's link to a Gizmodo article talking about the lawsuit against a Kickstarter project creator: http://gizmodo.com/government-finally-holding-kickstarter-scammers-respons-1571946452…
Addendum - The Washington case has been filed. I don't know of its status, I don't think it has been resolved yet.
I have been following the comment section for a different project where there is a dispute and I have learned some information that is at least interesting if not useful for the backers here.
The similarity to this project is that the deliveries are behind schedule as they are here; but the differences are large. In that project there is still communication with the backers through updates and also a project website and blog, the deliveries are behind by months, and that project was funded for $1.2 million verses $8,600 here.
With that background out of the way here is what I learned.
- Amazon takes payments from your credit card (or your other source) and then distributes them. So if a refund request from the creator fails, and a refund from Amazon fails, you can still go to your credit card for a refund. You can get a refund even if the charge is old. And you need to make the refund (charge-back) from your card company to "Amazon," and make sure the card company representative you talk to understands the unique situation of Amazon being a 3rd party intermediary collecting funds and redistributing them.
The other thing is that there was a court case in Washington where they set a precedent by throwing out the premise that we are investing in a project and said we were purchasing a product. The consequences of this are huge. Kickstarter cases are now in criminal court instead of civil court and creators are subject to criminal penalties under the consumer protection laws.
Now, it needs to be noted that this is in Washington and does not automatically become a binding precedent in other states; but there is now case law to argue the point. And if there are ever creator(s) that cross state lines it is possible federal court could have jurisdiction and make a national precedent.
Now with the information of the Washington case backers from there can definitely go to their Attorney General; and anyone from a different state could do the same and see if they can convince their State's Attorney to bring suit under their consumer protection laws.
One caveat is that creators who come to the U.S. to start a project and then remove themselves to another country may have effectively removed themselves from the reach of U.S. law. Although -imo- if the person is a U.S. citizen they would still be liable in some way; possibly in the tax system when they file their US taxes and if they ever stepped back in this country they would be subject to arrest (if a criminal case had been filed against them).
So I encourage all backers to file with their card company and to contact their State's Attorney consumer protection office.
AND PLEASE - All backers from Washington, contact the Attorney General and ask that 1) a case be filed against Ariel Shtul and 2) when he misses the court date because he is in Israel, ask to have an arrest warrant issued and distributed to all states and immigration. That way if he steps foot in the US again he will be arrested if not entry then when he is stopped when he so much as rolls through a stop sign.
Unfortunately Maxim, we got swindled. Ariel took off with our money, probably paid for his trip to Israel that he took shortly after the project was funded.
Hi! When I will get it or my money back!!!???
@Tobias - I'm sorry, I take that back. You need to be registered and signed in to see the posting. Didn't know about this site, I'm sure I speak for others when I say thank you for adding Ariel to that site!
@Tobias - Looks like this was pulled off Kickscammed
What a piece of s. I hope you do not cross my path. All of this to still 8000 dollars
Very likely Wayne or he probably get some sort of perverse pleasure and checking back here.
Above all else he is a disreputable douche bag.
I think that the prick keeps checking in to see if we have given up so he can introduce another campaign. He logged in again today. There's no way he feels any guilt for screwing us, he wants more.
finally listed on kickscammed » http://kickscammed.com/forums/topic/iplifier-kickstarter/
Good idea. But still nothing about iPlifier on kickscammed. Sorry Joey Natividad. I think this project is beyond nagotiation and should be reported.
Good idea but highly unlikely to be successful. Thanks
Report this no good scammer!!!
Fraud and theif.
I'm still waiting for this too... what's the update on this??
@ Ip, Ting Pong, go find the guy. Complain at the police station so he is listed and will be questioned at your coutries border.
Doh! I cannot file a complaint at Amazon Payments to get my refund. It states that I always passed 105 days of the transaction...
Anyone knows how can it be settled? Thanks.
I also never got the product. What a shame.
@Ariel. Need help for shipment or maintaining the backer adresses? I learned that crooks keep coming back at the place/problems!
Ariel Shtul, those actions of yours denigrate the dignity of the Yad Binyamin, People of Israel.
Or you are not Israeli. Shame on you.
lets start a kickstarter campagne to find ariel and...
I backed this and never got one.
He Ariel. Back again today. Why, with what intention. Are you going to send the iPlifier? I wonder, I have seen people like you.
I could care less about my pledge money, but as a frequent KS backer and now successful project creator, poorly run projects like this continue to taint KS and crowd funding in general with stories of scams and inept project management. The only solace I take is that the creators' reputations are shot. Someone should make a website documenting badly run projects and identify creators so if they ever attempt to create new - or in some cases, relaunch - crappy projects on KS or another crowd funding site, the public can easily find their names and avoid supporting them.
It appears that the product has not been produced or sent, and the developer has likely taken our cash and run as such I'd recommend that we contact the guy directly and ask for some answers
Let's get some answers once and for all!