@Leon Genking. How did you do on the Israel Policestation? Ariel Shtul is also friend with Efrat Barit (Facebook). She had together with Saar Shai the Kickstarter Ringbow project. that utterly failed as well. What the have in common is that they Tell Kickstarter and heir backer they live in the US. But they don't. The live(d) in Israel + that Saar Shai moved to London. (He backed out of the Ringbow project) to my opinion Kickstarter does little to nothing to verify who their creators realy are and where they are living. It is very easy to obtain an identity. Verified email-adress. For Ariel Shtul he still is active on facebook. Efrat Barit is not. (last FB activity 2012) Good luck for you all and I still want my money back.
He has backed other products on here can't the address that the items are being shipped to be obtain somehow to get a possible lead on this guy can get our money back
@Ariel Shtul. Don't bother to log in. Not on Sept. 9th and not in the future. As long if don't do not refund or deliver, you won't find new customers here. In fact most of the think that you are a liar and a thief!
Yes Leon, thank you! If we were to post a complaint on the Facebook site you supplied, since it's all written in Hebrew which I'm sure many backers are unable to read, perhaps you would supply some of the language in terms of what would be helpful to say in our complaint post.
Thank you,
Andrea
I'm a little late to the comments party. Interesting that his listed website is actually for a weight loss website. It's ironic as I lost a little weight in my bank balance from this project.
שלום לך חמוד , וואלה אני בהליך של הגשת כתב אישום נגדך בארץ אל ההונעה הזאת. ( תשמע בתחלס לא מעניים אותי כל האנשים האלה פה, אם הם יקבלו או לא יקבלו את המוצר. אותי מעניין שאני יקבל!!)
I started the process of filing charges against this Israeli scammer in Israel which I'm from in local police .
Great news!!!! Given that this disreputable dic (Ariel) continues to check in here regularly hopefully he is seeing it. Either way it looks like he is trying to rip more people off under another alias. At least that's what my friend tells me.
I have been following the comment section for a different project where there is a dispute and I have learned some information that is at least interesting if not useful for the backers here.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cloud-guys/plug-the-brain-of-your-devices The similarity to this project is that the deliveries are behind schedule as they are here; but the differences are large. In that project there is still communication with the backers through updates and also a project website and blog, the deliveries are behind by months, and that project was funded for $1.2 million verses $8,600 here.
With that background out of the way here is what I learned.
- Amazon takes payments from your credit card (or your other source) and then distributes them. So if a refund request from the creator fails, and a refund from Amazon fails, you can still go to your credit card for a refund. You can get a refund even if the charge is old. And you need to make the refund (charge-back) from your card company to "Amazon," and make sure the card company representative you talk to understands the unique situation of Amazon being a 3rd party intermediary collecting funds and redistributing them.
The other thing is that there was a court case in Washington where they set a precedent by throwing out the premise that we are investing in a project and said we were purchasing a product. The consequences of this are huge. Kickstarter cases are now in criminal court instead of civil court and creators are subject to criminal penalties under the consumer protection laws.
http://atg.wa.gov/pressrelease.aspx… http://mynorthwest.com/11/2511738/First-ever-lawsuit-filed-over-failed-Kickstarter-campaign Now, it needs to be noted that this is in Washington and does not automatically become a binding precedent in other states; but there is now case law to argue the point. And if there are ever creator(s) that cross state lines it is possible federal court could have jurisdiction and make a national precedent.
Now with the information of the Washington case backers from there can definitely go to their Attorney General; and anyone from a different state could do the same and see if they can convince their State's Attorney to bring suit under their consumer protection laws.
One caveat is that creators who come to the U.S. to start a project and then remove themselves to another country may have effectively removed themselves from the reach of U.S. law. Although -imo- if the person is a U.S. citizen they would still be liable in some way; possibly in the tax system when they file their US taxes and if they ever stepped back in this country they would be subject to arrest (if a criminal case had been filed against them).
So I encourage all backers to file with their card company and to contact their State's Attorney consumer protection office.
AND PLEASE - All backers from Washington, contact the Attorney General and ask that 1) a case be filed against Ariel Shtul and 2) when he misses the court date because he is in Israel, ask to have an arrest warrant issued and distributed to all states and immigration. That way if he steps foot in the US again he will be arrested if not entry then when he is stopped when he so much as rolls through a stop sign.
Unfortunately Maxim, we got swindled. Ariel took off with our money, probably paid for his trip to Israel that he took shortly after the project was funded.
@Tobias - I'm sorry, I take that back. You need to be registered and signed in to see the posting. Didn't know about this site, I'm sure I speak for others when I say thank you for adding Ariel to that site!
I think that the prick keeps checking in to see if we have given up so he can introduce another campaign. He logged in again today. There's no way he feels any guilt for screwing us, he wants more.
Use this space to cheer the creator along, ask questions, and talk to your fellow backers. Please remember to be respectful and considerate. Thanks!
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Show older commentsJeremy Chien on August 3
This was one of the biggest scams. Lol
Victor Leal Garcia on June 27
I'd like a refund. I never got it
Maddie Caballero on March 13, 2016
Never got this ... Wtf
Abe van Beek on November 15, 2015
Never received this either
Chris Becke on October 25, 2015
Me too - Never received my product i backed for...
Frank M. Hoyer on October 10, 2015
Never received my order.
Girish Bhat on October 5, 2015
This is a fraud
Cristiano Nantes on July 24, 2015
It's been 2 years, nothing's being shipped to backers...
Is there an official way to file a complaint to Kickstarter?
Terry Herbert
Superbacker
on June 21, 2015
https://www.mobstub.com/d/iPhone-5-Sound-Amplifiers
W. Laging on April 25, 2015
Growdfunding project going wrong or scams.
ttps://www.facebook.com/groups/1380253912299062/
W. Laging on April 12, 2015
@Leon Genking. How did you do on the Israel Policestation? Ariel Shtul is also friend with Efrat Barit (Facebook). She had together with Saar Shai the Kickstarter Ringbow project. that utterly failed as well. What the have in common is that they Tell Kickstarter and heir backer they live in the US. But they don't. The live(d) in Israel + that Saar Shai moved to London. (He backed out of the Ringbow project) to my opinion Kickstarter does little to nothing to verify who their creators realy are and where they are living. It is very easy to obtain an identity. Verified email-adress. For Ariel Shtul he still is active on facebook. Efrat Barit is not. (last FB activity 2012) Good luck for you all and I still want my money back.
Chris Miller on March 16, 2015
Never received my order.
Daniel RTG on March 8, 2015
He has backed other products on here can't the address that the items are being shipped to be obtain somehow to get a possible lead on this guy can get our money back
Leon Genking on February 23, 2015
hard to believe that it will help but i trying
Leon Genking on February 23, 2015
actually right now I'm in the police station in Israel
Mahmoud Attar on February 15, 2015
I never got mine as well!
Harrison Paul on November 25, 2014
His brother https://www.facebook.com/shtul…
Elaine on October 15, 2014
Am I and other backers going to see the final product or get a refund? Time to update everyone, please!
Ginger Manansala on October 8, 2014
THIS WAS A SCAM. ;(
Brian Chin on September 25, 2014
Time to harass the heck out of him. I wonder if we can get 4Chan folks to help us get a small token measure of justice?
Johnathan Horn on September 21, 2014
He's disconnected his Facebook account from here but you can still get to it on Facebook
https://www.facebook.com/ashtul
Active on there 14th Sept!!
Frank M. Hoyer on September 19, 2014
unfortunately never get.
A lucky that I paid only $ 8 ...
Fail!
Ginger Manansala on September 12, 2014
I NEVER GOT ANYTHING FROM THESE PEOPLE. THEY HAVEN'T GOTTEN BACK TO ME EITHER. THIS IS A SCAM.
W. Laging on September 11, 2014
@Ariel Shtul. Don't bother to log in. Not on Sept. 9th and not in the future. As long if don't do not refund or deliver, you won't find new customers here. In fact most of the think that you are a liar and a thief!
azzrizal on August 22, 2014
BUMP!
Evan (deleted) on August 7, 2014
@W. Laging - Some sadists love to bask in their own glory
W. Laging on July 26, 2014
Just for the records: June 3th and July 23th. He keeps coming back for a peek.
Andrea G.
Superbacker
on July 8, 2014
Yes Leon, thank you! If we were to post a complaint on the Facebook site you supplied, since it's all written in Hebrew which I'm sure many backers are unable to read, perhaps you would supply some of the language in terms of what would be helpful to say in our complaint post.
Thank you,
Andrea
Ken on May 27, 2014
Thank you Leon Genking!!
Steven Baptiste on May 12, 2014
I'm a little late to the comments party. Interesting that his listed website is actually for a weight loss website. It's ironic as I lost a little weight in my bank balance from this project.
Leon Genking on May 11, 2014
שלום לך חמוד , וואלה אני בהליך של הגשת כתב אישום נגדך בארץ אל ההונעה הזאת. ( תשמע בתחלס לא מעניים אותי כל האנשים האלה פה, אם הם יקבלו או לא יקבלו את המוצר. אותי מעניין שאני יקבל!!)
I started the process of filing charges against this Israeli scammer in Israel which I'm from in local police .
https://m.facebook.com/israelpolice maybe if all off you guys start send complains about this guy may the things start move
Ken on May 8, 2014
Great news!!!! Given that this disreputable dic (Ariel) continues to check in here regularly hopefully he is seeing it. Either way it looks like he is trying to rip more people off under another alias. At least that's what my friend tells me.
Joey Natividad on May 5, 2014
And here's link to a Gizmodo article talking about the lawsuit against a Kickstarter project creator: http://gizmodo.com/government-finally-holding-kickstarter-scammers-respons-1571946452…
Bob Allison on May 4, 2014
Addendum - The Washington case has been filed. I don't know of its status, I don't think it has been resolved yet.
Bob Allison on May 4, 2014
I have been following the comment section for a different project where there is a dispute and I have learned some information that is at least interesting if not useful for the backers here.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cloud-guys/plug-the-brain-of-your-devices
The similarity to this project is that the deliveries are behind schedule as they are here; but the differences are large. In that project there is still communication with the backers through updates and also a project website and blog, the deliveries are behind by months, and that project was funded for $1.2 million verses $8,600 here.
With that background out of the way here is what I learned.
- Amazon takes payments from your credit card (or your other source) and then distributes them. So if a refund request from the creator fails, and a refund from Amazon fails, you can still go to your credit card for a refund. You can get a refund even if the charge is old. And you need to make the refund (charge-back) from your card company to "Amazon," and make sure the card company representative you talk to understands the unique situation of Amazon being a 3rd party intermediary collecting funds and redistributing them.
The other thing is that there was a court case in Washington where they set a precedent by throwing out the premise that we are investing in a project and said we were purchasing a product. The consequences of this are huge. Kickstarter cases are now in criminal court instead of civil court and creators are subject to criminal penalties under the consumer protection laws.
http://atg.wa.gov/pressrelease.aspx…
http://mynorthwest.com/11/2511738/First-ever-lawsuit-filed-over-failed-Kickstarter-campaign
Now, it needs to be noted that this is in Washington and does not automatically become a binding precedent in other states; but there is now case law to argue the point. And if there are ever creator(s) that cross state lines it is possible federal court could have jurisdiction and make a national precedent.
Now with the information of the Washington case backers from there can definitely go to their Attorney General; and anyone from a different state could do the same and see if they can convince their State's Attorney to bring suit under their consumer protection laws.
One caveat is that creators who come to the U.S. to start a project and then remove themselves to another country may have effectively removed themselves from the reach of U.S. law. Although -imo- if the person is a U.S. citizen they would still be liable in some way; possibly in the tax system when they file their US taxes and if they ever stepped back in this country they would be subject to arrest (if a criminal case had been filed against them).
So I encourage all backers to file with their card company and to contact their State's Attorney consumer protection office.
AND PLEASE - All backers from Washington, contact the Attorney General and ask that 1) a case be filed against Ariel Shtul and 2) when he misses the court date because he is in Israel, ask to have an arrest warrant issued and distributed to all states and immigration. That way if he steps foot in the US again he will be arrested if not entry then when he is stopped when he so much as rolls through a stop sign.
Evan (deleted) on April 28, 2014
Unfortunately Maxim, we got swindled. Ariel took off with our money, probably paid for his trip to Israel that he took shortly after the project was funded.
Maxim Smirnov on April 28, 2014
Hi! When I will get it or my money back!!!???
Evan (deleted) on April 25, 2014
@Tobias - I'm sorry, I take that back. You need to be registered and signed in to see the posting. Didn't know about this site, I'm sure I speak for others when I say thank you for adding Ariel to that site!
Evan (deleted) on April 25, 2014
@Tobias - Looks like this was pulled off Kickscammed
Roberto on April 19, 2014
What a piece of s. I hope you do not cross my path. All of this to still 8000 dollars
Ken on April 3, 2014
Very likely Wayne or he probably get some sort of perverse pleasure and checking back here.
Above all else he is a disreputable douche bag.
Wayne Swindlehurst on March 31, 2014
I think that the prick keeps checking in to see if we have given up so he can introduce another campaign. He logged in again today. There's no way he feels any guilt for screwing us, he wants more.
Tobias Wehner on March 31, 2014
finally listed on kickscammed » http://kickscammed.com/forums/topic/iplifier-kickstarter/
W. Laging on March 14, 2014
Good idea. But still nothing about iPlifier on kickscammed. Sorry Joey Natividad. I think this project is beyond nagotiation and should be reported.
Ken on March 13, 2014
Good idea but highly unlikely to be successful. Thanks
Joey Natividad on March 12, 2014
http://kickscammed.com
Report this no good scammer!!!
Gordon Thomas on February 16, 2014
Fraud and theif.
Elaine on February 3, 2014
I'm still waiting for this too... what's the update on this??
W. Laging on January 27, 2014
@ Ip, Ting Pong, go find the guy. Complain at the police station so he is listed and will be questioned at your coutries border.
Ip, Ting Pong on January 26, 2014
Doh! I cannot file a complaint at Amazon Payments to get my refund. It states that I always passed 105 days of the transaction...
Anyone knows how can it be settled? Thanks.