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Dungeons & Dragons, a game that changed the world.
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    1. David Jack on August 4

      So what has happened to the money? Surely this should be returned to the backers?

    2. Javier Murillo Sánchez on July 20

      So whatever they wanna call it, someone conned me out of 260 bucks. My last kickstarter, period.

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      John R. Troy on July 16

      TL;DR version.

      This documentary was a partnership by three people. After the Kickstarter was funded, the partnership soured. Two of the people involved created a second doc, "The Great Kingdom", and had a Kickstarter for it. It was funded but a lawsuit was filed around the same time, and an injunction required TGK to take down all their media including their Kickstarter page.

      Since then, it's been in legal ever since. There was an attempt at a settlement back in 2015 but they couldn't work it out. The court also tried to force mediation. But it looks like it is going to trial--slowly. Based on what I can figure out in court docs, this is probably not going before the judge until the end of this year (if that).

    4. Felipe Mascarenhas on July 12

      Can someone give me a tl;dr of the whole legal situation?

    5. Maarten Vander Cruyssen on July 10

      So is this Dungeons & Dragons Documentary by Iconoscope Films/Westpaw Films failed / in endless legal hell / will never be released / scam / ... ?

    6. Thomas Skidmore on July 7

      i never got the t shirt I asked but got no response Id at least like that for the $100 I put in anyone know how to at least it

    7. Terry Demeter on July 2

      Well, at least I got my Diesel print ... I figure that's better than nothing. Too bad ... I was really looking forward to seeing the film.

    8. Aidin Langford on July 2

      "Last login Jan 26 2016"

      Well that's a not a good sign...

    9. Mikel Muxika on July 2

      @John R. Troy you da MVP! :D

      Thanks for giving us more info than the project creators.
      Anyways, I've already written this thing off, I see no future with people who treat their backers this way keeping us in the dark... I have no nice thing to say about this project or the creators anymore.

      I'd like a refund, but I don't think it's gonna happen.

    10. Deane Geiken on June 26

      Hey! Where's the documentary? Got nothing from you guys in well over a year or more. Cough up a documentary or refund our money!

    11. El-Ran of the North - Courser of Valoria on June 21

      Any update? It's been quiet for too long now...

    12. Brian Judd on June 13

      Invested over 4 years ago, no product, no updates.
      I say this is a scam.

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      Jay on June 5

      No updates in over a year is incredibly inconsiderate to say the least. I know they're in litigation but we deserve some kind of respect. I'm done with Kickstarter, my wife got burned recently as well.

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      Jeremy Duerr on June 1

      John R. Troy said: "That's the thing--we are not asking for any details of the project, or anything that would compromise any legal strategy.
      We are simply asking for an update after going almost 16 months without any update. All that could be said would be something like "Sorry this is taking so long, we hope to go to trial by X date, and you're investment with us is safe". Just a paragraph or two to let us know that things are still progressing, etc.
      For me it's not about the money I invested, it's a simple sign of respect to the people who contributed to this project. Being silent and even not answering emails about the project is a real bad sign."

      This! You've got a group of backers that put down over a hundred thousand dollars for this thing, and haven't heard word one in over a year. That's more than just inconsiderate, it's shady. Do the right thing by your backers, and at least drop us a note every six months to say, still here, still working, so we know our money didn't just get sucked up by some scammers.

    15. Jon Ray on May 23

      Being one of the backers, I really hope this project gets completed. Back in film school I did my own take on D&D and tabletop Role Playing games if anyone is curious. "Home Game: RPG Documentary" - https://youtu.be/IzuVdY1oURs

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      John R. Troy on May 7

      Well, in case anybody wants updates, there was a conference between the folks on 4/26/2017. There's some argument over "missing documents", and the next conference is scheduled for June 2, 2017.

      The Notice of Issue is extended to 9/29/17--that is when they decide if everybody is ready to go to trial and then a trial date is set. Something tells me this won't be resolved until 2018.

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      John R. Troy on April 22

      That's the thing--we are not asking for any details of the project, or anything that would compromise any legal strategy.

      We are simply asking for an update after going almost 16 months without any update. All that could be said would be something like "Sorry this is taking so long, we hope to go to trial by X date, and you're investment with us is safe". Just a paragraph or two to let us know that things are still progressing, etc.

      For me it's not about the money I invested, it's a simple sign of respect to the people who contributed to this project. Being silent and even not answering emails about the project is a real bad sign.

    18. Mark Bruce
      Superbacker
      on April 19

      Thanks for the Matlock-level insight into our legal system Kevin. Yes, coming onto Kickstarter and giving the backers an update will give the whole plan up! Very insightful.

    19. Kevin Smith on April 5

      Also, for those wondering why there haven't been a lot of updates on the trial. You have to be really careful while in active litigation what you reveal about the lawsuit. They keep the details close to their chests for a very good reason.

    20. Kevin Smith on April 5

      Folks, I invested $75.00 into this project. As with any Kickstarter I was fully aware that it was an investment that might one day not pay off. This particular project took a crazy turn due to some bad actors (in my opinion at least) and I have a hard time blaming the folks that are still attempting to bring this project to light.

      I personally have a lot of faith that I will one day see something, I've met the remaining team in person and they want to get this made. Here's the thing for anyone still cynical though, when you invest in something you have to remind yourself that your money has become a sunk cost, it is no longer yours. You can certainly be upset, you can vow to never back a project by that individual again, but you aren't getting it back. Nor should you.

    21. Luke Stowell on April 5

      The problem with crowd funding is that you are not paying money for a product or service but are making a micro investment, the courts do not care that you made a bad investment. This seems to be the forth project that has failed to deliver that I have invested in.

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      caelric on March 31

      I wonder what the viability of taking this to small claims court is, to get my money back?

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      John R. Troy on March 17

      @Francis, while I had once had that take, there are a few issues with that right now.

      The key thing is the person in charge of this Kickstarter, Anthony Savini, has not posted anything here in over a year. Not even a single update to let people know the status of the lawsuit (like when he thinks it's going to trial), even if he can't do anything more about the documentary. There's also a facebook page maintained for this documentary and it stopped updating last summer. I believe it is important for him to update the backers--especially since the injunction against his former partners has also prevent them from speaking about this lawsuit from their perspective. He also did not respond to a few emails I sent to him asking for another update.

      I "understand the realities", but there's really no excuse for not communicating with the backers. All parties involved with this lawsuit are on the hook for this and have paid money. One thing I remember is that those who backed the second project have their money in an escrow account preventing anybody from accessing it--so it's just sitting protected from spending--at this point I'd like to see a decision made so those backers can get their money back and they can try for funding later. And I'd also like to think now that maybe this project should get some refunds.

      I am very sympathetic to Kickstarters having risk, but this situation has been dragged on for a while and I think perhaps we should investigate potential options. At the very least, the lack of communication shows a sign of disrespect for the money that was donated and the backers. I have to wonder if the judge of the case knows about the "third party(ies)" involved here.

    24. Mark Bruce
      Superbacker
      on March 15

      I didn't realize you worked for Paizo. What department are you in? Legal?

      Please don't presume to know what companies are doing outside of posting here.

    25. Francis on March 14

      As much as that may irritate us given how long the process is taking. Paizo contributed a hefty sum to see this be made, they have more right to complain than any of us but they are not complaining as they understand the realities of this unfortunate situation.

    26. Francis on March 14

      They can't give you an update until the litigation is concluded. They can't release the film until the litigation is concluded. From what they have said in the past it is essentially ready but cannot be released while the ownership of the film is in contention. A charge-back will fail since the money you spent was to get a film made and then get a copy of it (and some other things for higher level backers all of which have, I believe, already been taken care of). The money was spent on the film, then some of the parties involved decided to use footage made for it to make their own film, it is being determined if this was acceptable and who owns this footage. Once this is done we will get our movie but since the money was spent on exactly what we paid for and the copies of the film will certainly be released to us once they legally can be we just need to wait.

    27. Jamieson Akazawa on March 2

      This was the first Kickstarter that really failed to produce anything for me.... the second was made by Russians... ugh

    28. Lance Lindley on February 24

      First Kickstart I ever backed. Should have been a warning to me.

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      Trevor Chapman on February 24

      It has been almost 4 and half years since you collected the monies for this project, and though I understand you've had some legal and ownership issues, can we, your sponsors, please get an honest comment around the viability of this project. I'd much prefer an honest answer of "unfortunately we won't be able to fulfill" than just more statements about a lawsuit.
      I actually surprised that someone hasn't tried to sue you for breach of contract for this Kickstarter. I'm not advocating it, but rather stating that with a 4 year gap and over $150K invested, this has gone past the point of ridicule.

    30. Scott Sheets on February 16, 2017

      Isn't it about time for our yearly update?

    31. Terry Demeter on February 12, 2017

      You know, I understand that alot of things can't be said due to the court case(s) but it would be great to get even a small acknowledgement from the creators that there are 3584 backers still waiting and wondering what is happening. :/

    32. Robert M. on January 30, 2017

      I don't think this project is ever actually going to be finished.

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      John R. Troy on January 25, 2017

      I did check the legal site, one new doc was printed...all it does is push back end of discovery to July 1st.

      So, I don't think this will get to the court until late this year. :-(

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      Nathan Alvarez on January 22, 2017

      I almost forgot abou this one . Legal issues suck

    35. Mikel Muxika on January 8, 2017

      @John R. Troy thanks for the info, it seems there is no simple way :(

    36. David Culp on January 4, 2017

      With the last update being a year ago I am pretty sure at this point were not getting a movie :(

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      John R. Troy on December 23, 2016

      Well, it's concerning now that I sent an email again to both addresses on file for Anthony a few days ago, no response, as well as just the long silence here and on the Facebook page. The court interface isn't giving out any new details about the progress of this lawsuit as well.

      I think with the docs in litigation it makes it hard to get money back for those asking. You would likely have to file either an Intervention something similar and submit it to the current lawsuit--as the people who backed one (or both) of these lawsuits, we might have a case to get refunded, though that's likely to be a complicated process, and I'd probably just wait for the process to complete rather than spend additional money--I'd rather see something produced.

    38. Mikel Muxika on December 18, 2016

      I don't care anymore about the project, seeing as they don't care enough to update us on its status, so either way I would prefer to have the money back, does anyone know if there's a way to ask for it?

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      John R. Troy on November 9, 2016

      I think it was said early that, at least with The Great Kingdom, the money is in escrow and if they lose all the backers get that money back, since the money wasn't transferred from KS to the defendants.

      I am concerned about this one though. I emailed Anthony suggesting he update this KS and haven't received a response (I've done this in the past and gotten within 48 hours), and I noticed that this project's Facebook page hasn't been doing the Social Media updates since Summer. Maybe I'm worrying for nothing. I do hope we get some kind of update before the end of the year.

    40. Javier Murillo Sánchez on November 8, 2016

      I am in deep shit then as I am a backer both of this documentary and the competing one, so best case scenario one of them wins at court and the other will never see the light so i will lose money yes or yes.

      Moreover, i have already suffered a loss of 300 bucks due to the failed Zano KS drone project (where we were all miserably ripped off while KS kept their fees), so i can tell you that my bet is on NONE of these documentaries ever seeing the light of day.

      Consider the money lost. Bye bye kickstarter.

    41. Corey on October 24, 2016

      Agreed. A "We're still alive" update would be nice.

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      ReidOnly on October 17, 2016

      @John, thank you for taking the time to post updates from the court proceedings. I hope I am representative of some block of backers that are disappointed that the documentary is hostage to civil proceedings but still look forward to a documentary at some point. I have spent all of my life without the documentary and can afford to be patient for a good one to be made.

      My enthusiasm is not a concern--I have already backed the project. The enthusiasm of the producers is a concern. For a project whose rewards come from passion than any lucrative windfall, the heartache and stress implied by the litigation is a greater cause for concern.

      Every update revealing content generated for the documentary has been fun, thrilling, and informative. I am content to wait and only hope to encourage the project team.

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      John R. Troy on October 11, 2016

      There's been one update--it's a short handwritten court note:

      NOI and Discovery extended to 1/31/2017
      Compliance Conference 1/19/2017
      Dispotive Motion Returnable Date 3/1/2017

      So the waiting game continues...

      While I have defended this KS, I also think this long without an update is not good. We should at least get an update from this Kickstarter because it's been really quiet, even if there's nothing much more they can say, just so we know they are still around.

    44. Francis on October 10, 2016

      Kevin has concisely summarized what he and I have already said several times. Additionally, the money was spent on what was outlined in the kick-starter description and it is too late for most forms of charge-back, undermining refund claims on two fronts. This is leaving to one side that the delay is through no fault of the (remaining after the split) creators and we just need to wait until next year at this point.

    45. Kevin Smith on August 24, 2016

      You all realize they are embroiled in active litigation right? They are embroiled in active civil litigation in New. York. City. It is going to take a while.

      I have faith we'll get a Documentary. Calm down, and realize that the update from January is still pretty much the most recent update because court systems move sloooooooow.

    46. RUESTCHMANN on August 19, 2016

      A refund option is becoming more and more necessary considering the lack of communication, and thus, respect toward the backers. We can file a complaint via KS.

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      John R. Troy on August 15, 2016

      Well, as far as updates go, there was one doc published, which can be linked to from here:

      https://goo.gl/EAA8zw

      Basically, seems like is slowly plodding along, but somebody asked for a 3 month delay, so there's not gonna be an actual trial until 2017.

    48. Scott Sheets on August 11, 2016

      Me: I want to find out if there have been any updates

      DM: Roll D20

      [rattle rattle]

      Me: It's a 1....

      DM: You won't get any information for at least 8 months....

    49. Takashi Hasegawa on August 11, 2016

      (Sigh) how come they don't show any sign.
      I'm not gonna be kick any film.

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