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Those guys show total disrespect for the backers with no communication like this. It's been told on many fora and I expect they won't go anywhere with success on this one (but the money...).
Last we heard much of the interviewing and shooting for the film is done but we are waiting on the rights to everything being secured when the litigation ends, unfortunately until that happens they can't finish the film or really talk about it. Once the rights are secured I am sure finishing any remaining filming, editing and finishing it up will be a priority.
is the film done and they can't release it or was production and post production stopped?
Iconoscope films, could you at least give us an annual update, even if nothing has changed. Just so we know the project isn't dead. Thanks.
Oh! And also interestingly, this is the first time I have looked at the courts' appearance detail for the case and a future appearance has not been listed.
That's different too!
But! Given my lack of familiarity with the courts, this could have the same significance as "this chicken bone lays across this lettuce leaf in an interesting pattern" when staring at my dinner."
Case moved? Maybe???
The appearance on 21 February came and went as the prior 4, with an outcome type of "adjourned". There are lots of "adjourned" given as outcomes in the entire history of the case.
The appearance on 7 March, however, has an outcome type listed as "hearing held". Well, that's different. There's no other outcome type with this value in the history of the case.
Is that progress? Or just temporary? Or nothing to hang any value on? If there are others who traffic in courts and legal systems who can shed insight, go for it.
Seems like the last court date was a bust...so when is the next court date? I expect this to continue... Still there is hope for some update since there is still a case.
Anything on the Feb 21st court date?
Like so many others here, I am sure it's not a scam, I am sure they (the filmmakers) didn't set out to get hung up in court, and so forth and so on. While I too understand they may be limited by what they can say regarding the court proceedings, at the very least a note to let us know they haven't forgotten about us would be appreciated. At this point I almost don't even care about the rewards, just to know my money contributed to something tangible would be nice.
I havent given up hope, but I am pretty close to it. I dont think this was a scam, I honestly believe that one of the producers went rogue and this has resulted in legal problems and issues. I hope they get it sorted out and I hope that the lack of updates is due to them being forbidden to communicate/talk about the project and case.
I definitely do not think this is a scam. I DO think that it could be years before anything else happens, though. I mean, we know they have footage, some of us have even seen it (the D&D Documentary panel at Gen-Con 2015 was reasonably enjoyable). We also know that the Great Kingdom guys ruined everything, even if their product also probably would have been good (I backed it, too, haha).
Next court appearance date is scheduled for 21 February. (But all of at least the last four appearances have simply tread water.)
So...It's 2018.... Nothing????
@John R. Troy,
Thanks for the info and update.
Just so you all know, the link Scott has is an outdated link to the court system--it's an older version. The new one requires authentication and isn't bookmarked, but it does show addition info--basically, it seems like the parties attorney's keep meeting, but it doesn't look like any notes are being taken, or any indication of how close we are to trial.
What a bitter disappointment this one has been. Years and no goods. I'm a patient dude but this is truly ridiculous. It's too bad because the result is that I will probably never give my money to Kickstart anything again. Fool me once...
@Bossman and Lance: My first project was "Nystul's Infinite Dungeon" so I totally feel you. At least this project still has some potential...
Came by to leave my yealry comment xD
@ John R. Troy you da mvp! Thanks for posting some info now and then
I love the "Be respectul and considerate" line below the "Post comment" button, I'd say the creators, or even cough*scammers*cough, of this project do not deserve such a thing...
The case is still moving at a heavily-encumbered speed. For those that didn't see the link to Kevin Smith's blog below, this link should show you the documents in the NY court system:
If the problems are severe enough that the creator can't fulfill their project, creators need to find a resolution. Steps should include offering refunds, detailing exactly how funds were used, and other actions to satisfy backers.
Court appearances continued on 2017-10-12, 2017-11-29, and 2017-12-13.
Appearance outcome of the October meeting is listed as "referred to chambers". Does that mean anything substantive?
The outcome is not (yet?) noted for the December appearance.
What happens if we all group together and sue them?
Is there any legal stand point for this?
I take it then, I have kissed goodbye to my money.
Campaigns like this one are the reason I stopped backing things on Kickstater.
Backing this project I rolled a natural 1, it seems...
Lance - me too!! Should have learnt my lesson then.
@John, thanks for checking.
@Mark, sadly I've been checking but there's no new document--just a meeting that happened in the middle of October with no details.
@ John R. Troy Do you have any links to updates on this? I'd page through the comments but it's difficult on mobile.
I want my copy of the film!
This holds the distinction of being the first KS project I ever backed (had never heard of KS until a friend pointed me to this project) and there it is at the bottom of my list, still unfulfilled.
I would like a refund at this point.
I didn't back this project to follow along through third party sources/not be informed directly about petty infighting among creatives. I'm sorry "the band" broke up, but I'm done with this project.
Can we get an update after the conference on the 12th
Is there anything happening with this Kickstarter or did we just throw money away?
It looks like according to what was just filed in court, there's a status conference that will double as a settlement conference on Oct 12th. So maybe this is about to get resolved and after that we can finally get some answers. Let's cross our fingers.
Looks like the original partners in the project all chose CHA as their lowest stat...
I ask for a refund the documentary has not been filmed
I want my money refunded.
I'm done with Kickstarter. It's a freakin' scam.
Hope you guys had fun with our money!
Some kind of update would be nice...
Status update please or money back
Same question here, what's happend to our pledged money? ʕʘ‿ʘʔ No further update over one year? It sounds lame...
So what has happened to the money? Surely this should be returned to the backers?
So whatever they wanna call it, someone conned me out of 260 bucks. My last kickstarter, period.
This documentary was a partnership by three people. After the Kickstarter was funded, the partnership soured. Two of the people involved created a second doc, "The Great Kingdom", and had a Kickstarter for it. It was funded but a lawsuit was filed around the same time, and an injunction required TGK to take down all their media including their Kickstarter page.
Since then, it's been in legal ever since. There was an attempt at a settlement back in 2015 but they couldn't work it out. The court also tried to force mediation. But it looks like it is going to trial--slowly. Based on what I can figure out in court docs, this is probably not going before the judge until the end of this year (if that).
Can someone give me a tl;dr of the whole legal situation?