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Still no reply, direct email etc.
I know other like me are now pushed over the edge, and only are looking for what was promised.
I also realise that this area is moderated and not recognised to the general public, who will know nothing about our problems.
To expedite this I have purchased a domain, which has not been set up yet, but if enough Backers here feel like me, I will.
Site is http://elite-lies.co.uk/
As a web developer I can assure you that my SEO will make an impact.
I still cannot believe we are waiting, lol its even on the black Friday sale on amazon with free delivery.
As expected, no reply, no update.
The fact that some Backers still have not even had the email is disgusting and so not professional, and continuing the illusion that they know what they are doing.
Without being too defamatory and off the record, its like fraud. !!
I would even have gained a return in interest if I had banked the money..
Lol, not a lot, but every unit now produced, and sold could not have happened without us backers.
We ALL have a stake in each product sold.
Well this isn't good news. I haven't even received an email about it yet either! I personally would want a full refund, as I am far from caring about the product now - I really don't want it any more after all this time. Especially now this has happened. I will be doing all I can to get a full refund and reporting to Kickstarter if I don't! Disgraceful.
I should add that this information was supplied to me by a Kickstarter employee, who also specifically stated on the email...
"These terms outline the responsibilities of backers and creators. This information can serve as a basis for legal recourse if a creator doesn’t fulfill their obligations under the agreement. We hope that backers will consider using this provision only in cases where they feel that a creator has not made a good faith effort to complete the project and fulfill."
So Steve, I submit to you that by not fulfilling your agreement for the limited editions, you in fact are looking at full refunds for each backer.
I should stress that I didn't back the 'basic' unit, I backed a special, limited edition unit and as such, I should be entitled to a full refund.
The last few months smacks of Steve knowing that he wouldn't be able to supply the limited edition units, thats precisely why we were all offered an intermediary basic unit.
"When a project is successfully funded, the creator must complete the project and fulfill each reward. Once a creator has done so, they’ve satisfied their obligation to their backers.
Throughout the process, creators owe their backers a high standard of effort, honest communication, and a dedication to bringing the project to life. At the same time, backers must understand that when they back a project, they’re helping to create something new — not ordering something that already exists. There may be changes or delays, and there’s a chance something could happen that prevents the creator from being able to finish the project as promised.
If a creator is unable to complete their project and fulfill rewards, they’ve failed to live up to the basic obligations of this agreement. To right this, they must make every reasonable effort to find another way of bringing the project to the best possible conclusion for backers. A creator in this position has only remedied the situation and met their obligations to backers if:
they post an update that explains what work has been done, how funds were used, and what prevents them from finishing the project as planned;
they work diligently and in good faith to bring the project to the best possible conclusion in a timeframe that’s communicated to backers;
they’re able to demonstrate that they’ve used funds appropriately and made every reasonable effort to complete the project as promised;
they’ve been honest, and have made no material misrepresentations in their communication to backers; and
*****they offer to return any remaining funds to backers who have not received their reward (in proportion to the amounts pledged), or else explain how those funds will be used to complete the project in some alternate form.*****
The creator is solely responsible for fulfilling the promises made in their project. If they’re unable to satisfy the terms of this agreement, they may be subject to legal action by backers"
Seems to me that Steve has not offered to refund for the rewards he is no longer willing to supply and that his attempt to partially refund, without giving any other option, is an attempt to bypass this aspect of the Kickstarter agreement.
The total way this has been promoted, even after Kick starter was funded seems wrong, and immature as well as direct fraudulent to backers, due to the continued added promises to pledgers.
I for one are not accepting a £30 refund, regardless how much I backed, then added to after that. (Yup I did)
A boycott is not the answer, as backers it does not help us direct.
We need to go legal on this, as I see at the moment, we can claim direct against steve, (sorry, no caps on your name now, you have totally lost my trust in you as an individual)
Kick starter is what it is, and you take your chance, but I know most of us have bullshit replies to questions because of this latest email.
Let me know your views, and I will get the Ball rolling.
His legal team cannot deny what he promised, several times, and will agree a basic refund of £30 is nothing, HIS PRODUCT, would not exist without US..
Its in writing, its legal in any court in the world.
I bet all this is down too is cost, for the amount to produce if Steve ever intended to do the signature editions, joke of this is now we have missed out on any of the limited editions, all I can suggest is everyone boycot elites apps and don't buy them this will hurt his wallet, just use your device on an emulator.
I can only reiterate the disappointment expressed by other backers of the signature edition. I too have sat patiently without complaint (until now) and this is the shoddy result of our faith in the project: an additional two month delay with scant communication from Elite only to be told now that it won't be produced. If you'd been upfront we could have had the basic model in September. You could at least throw in the promised memorabillia/goodies as a sign of good faith to the backers of the signature edition.
Very, very disappointed. I really wanted the special 'signature edition' and have waited patiently. This a real let down. Have already seen the regular machines on Amazon and ebay and on occasions less than the £100.
I like many of the people who helped you out steve. Are disgusted by your actions relating to the £30.00 payoff & the final kick in the nuts. Thanks I really needed that.
Over a hundred people backed this project with +￡100 bids to help Mr. Wilcox set up a business to create these devices. The fact that the keyboards are now commercially available, while those initial backers (myself included) are still waiting for anything makes a mockery of the "be respectful and considerate" Kickstarter standard. If you scroll to the bottom of the page, click support, then awards and raise a ticket with Kickstarter to complain about Mr. Wilcox and his poor business ethics. Best case, he sorts this out properly and if not, maybe he'll get flagged and blocked from using Kickstarter in the future.
Won't be buying any elite games now either.
A very big shame, this could have been so much better the regular keyboard is nice but the whole point was you pick out of the options what you fancy, in this case the limited signature edition, really what's the point of this if you don't deliver what you advertise come on steve you've made people wait 2 years then cancel it? Very very bad show and where are the extra goodies as well? Personally I don't think you intended to make the signature editions lol I don't even have a limited edition founders edition.
"Be respectful and considerate."
Could this be any more relevant than right now?
I would not have backed this project, had I known all this mess would have come out of it. I kept calm, I urged your backers to remain calm and then you drop this bombshell on us.
It's not just that the signature edition is now canned, it's the other stuff, the reproduction photo based on inlays and art, has gone too.
You misled people into upping their pledges.
Just give me my £30 and disappear from my communications, I'm done with you.
I agree, I expected better than a downgrade of the pledge plus refund of £30. If I had known this was going to happen before backing this, I really wouldn't have bothered and just got a normal one from a 3rd party.
Wow... so now we are not getting the signature editions which we were promised but a refund of £30?? so disappointed at this moment. also what happened to this ?
"Includes associated Manic Miner / Matthew Smith goodies / memorabilia - think reproduction of period signed photograph, print based on original cassette inlay and promotional art."
No certificate no signature edition no prints, just a Bluetooth "spectrum" keyboard.
Come on Steve, I would have expected better
Feel at least a little cheated - no Manic Miner signature edition: I wouldn't have bothered backing this without the promised reward. I'll no doubt be pleased with my normal version, but I could have just picked one up 'as normal' some time ago. Bad show.
I still stand by contacting Steve. I don't disagree that comms to the group could have been a bit more frequent, succinct and unambiguous, but each persons situation seems likely a little different so I don't think this unreasonable.
Having said that comms have gone out this morning it seems. Check your inboxes. :(
Steve, are we getting the signature editions this month?
I suppose the estimated date for delivery of the signature edition will pass, still 10 days left in November.
No Chris they should be keeping everyone up to date. We should not need to chase these people. IF you want to be seen as a professional steve get your bloody finger out and let people know what the hell is happening. Its not difficult to be straight with people, unless you have something to hide. Rant over/
Just heard from Steve this evening as I have to unfortunately return my device as the N key stopped working. But he said they still don't have a date yet for the Signature Editions.
As has been said before, backers are best messaging Steve direct. You can contact him via a Kickstarter personal message rather than posting a comment. Steve has not failed to respond to me so far.
Steve, any updates on when we can expect our MANIC MINER edition and associated stuff?
It's been a long wait, I'm sure I'm not alone in just wanting to draw and line under this now. You said November a few updates ago, it's now November and there's still no more information.
Manic miner edition is supposed to be this month, debatable weather it will be here.
I bought "A Bluetooth ZX Spectrum for iOS or selected Android devices - Signature Edition (“The MANIC MINER”)" and still do not know when they will send. some news?
Very happy that folks are getting their ZX Spectrums... but disappointed that it is now widely available and in stock at Argos, Maplin, Amazon, eBuyer etc... yet I pre-ordered 8 months ago, helped this project be a success, just like the other 800+ backers, and have heard nothing since I completed my delivery survey on 29 September :-(
Finally it arrived. :)
Thanks from Estonia!
Anyone had any physical problems with their recreated speccy? My N key stopped working....memories of the "good" old days perhaps ;)
Emails to Steve Wilcox usually work, did here
For those waiting for their units, after the 'drama' I kicked up last week, lo and behold I received an email the next day, my unit was ready to be shipped, I confirmed my address and received it a few days later. I urge you to kick up a fuss and make an issue until you receive what you are due.
I got mine a couple of weeks ago.
No dramas Joe.
No Simon - I totally disagree . I see a list of patient people with unanswered questions, I have contacted Steve and I am totally fed up with being palmed off with lame answers. See my comment below - I have SERIOUS concerns on how the funds for this project have been used and how units are now commercially available while backers are still in the dark. I can and I will blame Steve until my unit or money are in my hands and every other backer of this project has had a satisfactory conclusion to their backing. 821 people backed this project as of today how many have not received what they are due?
Steve, after some consideration it is apparent that you are manufacturing units for commercial sale and profit while backers are still waiting for their units even though you are way beyond the date promised for delivery. Its clear that you have used our backing to fund development of the project, and are now probably using funds as they come in from the commercial channel to supply units 'eventually' over a period of time to the patient backers. I will be contacting Kickstarter to find out what can be done to investigate this project for malpractice and misappropriation of funds.
@Joe , contact Steve directly. You will get it sorted. You cannot blame Steve as its out of his hands with the dispatch side of things. I feel your frustration , but you will be happy in the long run.
Having read the comments below about this being on eBay - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CERATECH-ZX-SPECTRUM-The-Recreated-ZX-Spectrum-FAST-FREE-24-48-HR-DELIVERY-/331671714970…
24 hour delivery WtF? SERIOUSLY? Steve, you have a choice - return my money or deliver my money this week because I am starting a serious campaign with Kickstarter to reveal the charlatan that you are.. ABSOLUTELY APPALLED BY THIS... you will find my rants on a DAILY BASIS until this is resolved and I urge everyone else to speak up instead of being polite about it...
STEVE! If you read through this list of people patiently waiting for information, goods, units ANYTHING from you to confirm that you are taking notice, you'll see a massive list of people being respectful and considerate - you've got their money - you've got MY money - now how about sending stuff out and responding - because I for one am happy to draw as much attention with KickStarter with social media - WHOEVER and WHATEVER it takes for you to start delivering on promises. HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY WAITING FOR STUFF STILL? ANSWER ABOVE PLEASE!
and no - my comment is not respectful or considerate because i am SICK OF WAITING - SORT IT OUT NOW PLEASE !!!! You've had my bloody money for long enough -
Another month gone waiting for my ZX recreated -
Your last email 25 Sept ‘we’ll be in touch’ -
Can you state when I am going to receive this please? Because I am seriously tired of waiting for the goods and about to start the biggest campaign I can on Twitter and FaceBook ANYTHING I can to get my goods despatched to me - really pissed off with waiting now that you are shipping the fucking things and I don’t have mine yet
WHEN DO YOU DESPATCH MINE PLEASE ?
Looking forward to getting mine delivered here to Sweden! Oddly enough, a buddy of mine here in the same city received his already 1-2 weeks ago, while I have received no news about this yet (and yes, survey was completed). Some info regarding these seemingly oddly spaced out deliveries would be appreciated. All good things to those that wait, I suppose, heh!
Mine says True Video.
I emailed Elite to get an update on my Spectrum to get a very rood reply from Steve Wilcox. I have just received the Spectrum today which I was pleased to see and I'm guessing the Founders Edition is one where True is spelt Ture? I suppose it might be worth something in years to come unless there are lots of them out there!!
Yup there are other ture video keys out there
Received my Spectrum yesterday, it looks brilliant...
...does anybody else's say TURE VIDEO instead of TRUE VIDEO above the 3 key?
COULD I HAVE MY SPECTRUM PLEASE OTHER PEOPLE I KNOW HAVE GOT THERES ONLINE AND I A KICKSTARTER PLEDGER AND I SEEMS UNFAIR WE SHOULD HAVE OURS BEFORE THEY GET SOLD ONLINE
I've still not had my Quote "Supplied with Certificate of Authenticity, a Bluetooth ZX Spectrum iOS App or iOS App Store credit for same." Where is it?
Still waiting for mine
Hi, I orginally pledged and then increased my pledge after an email that said we could get additional benefits, a poster I think it was. I have received my Spectrum (which is fab by the way and the kids love it and think it is better than their 360. My youngest wrote her first basic program on it). but have not received any additional item. When can we expect these? Thanks.
Mine finally arrived today - 13th October. No despatch email or tracking etc, just a knock at the door and a nice surprise. Hopefully other people in the same situation get theirs this week to. Currently enjoying staring at the box ( great detail and reference to the original) as it's been awhile coming and will open later tonight!