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35 years after the first publication of OGRE, we're coming back with a massive new edition, and YOU can make it better.
35 years after the first publication of OGRE, we're coming back with a massive new edition, and YOU can make it better.
35 years after the first publication of OGRE, we're coming back with a massive new edition, and YOU can make it better.
5,512 backers pledged $923,680 to help bring this project to life.

What? 2014 Already?


We had a good holiday, and we're now back in work mode. The Ogre Logistics Facility is closed, its mission having been accomplished. Further Ogre shipments will come straight from our warehouse (which now has solar cells on top, and yes, there will be a Daily Illuminator with pictures). And no, we are not really out of Ogre games. The status was changed to "out of stock" when W23 closed for the holidays, to make sure we didn't accidentally sell more than we have while we were home drinking eggnog. Soon (maybe today, the 13th), we will finish the last bits of year-end inventory and resume regular Ogre sales.

Metal Miniatures

. . . are also listed as out of stock, for a different reason. We weren't making any money on them! We felt obliged to keep offering them till the end of the year, but when they return, the price will include a reasonable profit margin. That price will be significantly higher. Metal's not cheap.

New Ogre Goodies

. . . will be announced soon, and I was going to make this a longer teaser, but really, that's enough right there. You are hereby teased.

We Warned You

The Ogre box is heavy. We keep telling you that. Tiffany Franzoni of Roll2Play sent this picture of a shelf that fell to the Ogre. So to speak. Fortunately, there was no collateral damage. (ObPlug - Tiffany and Roll2Play are running T.A.B.L.E., a Dallas-area gaming event, at the end of March. I will be there. Ogre stuff will happen.)

– Steve Jackson

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    1. Scott K. Ellis on

      Andrew, the Kickstarter edition of Ogre contained 38 counter sheets, the retail edition 32. If you have green Ogres and Vulcans, you got the Kickstarter version (the shipping carton had a red or yellow bar along the top, yellow would have included a copy of pocket ogre).

    2. Andrew on

      I pledged $200.
      I am concerned now that if I didn't get pocket ogre then I might have got a base edition that might be missing other extras. Was there extra counter sheets I should have got at $200 level?

    3. Teodoro Alonso on

      When do you think that the minis will be back? I would like to get my hands on and Ogre Ninja

    4. Mike Malley on

      I hope we can get the rest of the new unit drafts this month. I thought they were going to be posted fairly quickly and then tweaked as time went on.

    5. Don Hawthorne on

      I still don't get why Days of Wonder and Ares and Fantasy Flight can make dozens of different plastic miniatures for so many titles, but OGRE couldn't get into the game with plastic figures instead of paper (which frankly should have at least been printed into the "credit card stock" we saw for various similar efforts in the last ten years or so).
      But what's done is done. I supported the game partially because I have been playing it since it first came out in 197-geez-I'm-old!, but bya far mostly because I have invested so much in its miniatures. I increased my initial support to help push for the return of those miniatures.
      At close to a million dollars raised, I still don't see why the game grew like Topsy into an unwieldy box of near-absurd proportions that didn't _include_ miniatures, certainly I expected it to at least have maps with hexes big enough to hold a whole Ogre. Alas, that was unchanged from OGRE Deluxe, and that's just the way it is.
      Truth be told, there are three types of gamers: Roleplayers, boardgamers and miniatures gamers, and few gamers are all three. I am, and so are most of my gaming friends, but we are an admitted minority. It seems clear that SJG has committed their efforts to the first two elements, but I hope they are getting enough support and interest from miniatures gamers to see that we are a viable market as well.
      But as I said, what's done is done. The cost increase for metal, likewise, is just something we will have to bear, but please be aware that we are more than willing to bear it, so please don't let it mean the return of the miniatures is allowed to fall by the wayside.
      Thanks for listening.

    6. John H. on

      During the Ogre KS, I did a BoE calculation for converting Ogre Minis to plastic. SJG would have needed committed minis revenue of at least $100k USD to cover the basic Paneuro stuff and core Ogres. Adding Combine and exotic units from Shockwave, etc. raises the requirement even higher. Unfortunately, the best window for SJG to do so closed roughly 20 months ago, and they still have their hands full, so it's not happening at SJG.

      That said, when/if SJG digs out of their current commitments, they might revisit things, but that's going to be a long time down the road.

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      linuxgurugamer on

      Ok. When they are available, will you be posting an update here?

    8. Philip Reed

      @John H. - We are working through the Ogre commitments and will continue to do so.

    9. Philip Reed

      @Brian Gilkison - Profit? Uncertain. A mold for metal minis runs anywhere from $30 to $100. Plastics, on the other hand, run into the thousands of dollars for a mold. The only way plastics really become cheaper per unit is when you start running a lot.

      Using very simple numbers, a $10 mini needs to sell ten pieces to cover the $100 mold cost. That same $10 mini, assuming a $1,000 mold for plastic (unrealistically low, but an easy number to use), must sell 100 pieces to cover mold costs. A slightly more realistic number would be $3,000 for the mold, which equals 300 pieces sold to cover the mold. And all of this is before we even look at the raw materials costs. Let alone packaging, shipping, and all of the other bits and pieces that go into operating costs and overhead.

      Plastic minis are not the secret weapon they first look like. Even assuming we reached a very, very high retention rate and could sell 50% of what the ODE sold that's only 6,000 minis sales. A low number of sales relative to the costs of translating the entire line to plastic.

    10. Philip Reed

      @linuxgurugamer - Sorry, but we have no information on those releases. We do not oversee or control the sponsored sheet sales. When we have news we will share.

    11. Philip Reed

      Plastic would be awesome, but tooling on plastic is insanely high relative to molds for metal minis.

    12. John H. on

      @James - We might reasonably ask about Ogre Miniatures getting crowdfund for new plastic minis. In theory, a KS would be the smart way to get the minis digitized, cleaned up, and tooled for mass production. But I'm not sure SJG should start another Ogre KS while the Ogre KS has a lot to finish:
      - the remaining Tom Smith music,
      - the Ogre expansion,
      - the Ogre scenarios that Steve has been working on for the past year plus
      - the Ogre fan scenarios,
      - the Ogre computer game,
      - the Ogre Miniatures relaunch,
      - the Car Wars new edition.

      I wouldn't hold my breath.

      Of course, if SJG were to license Ogre Minis to someone like CMoN, well, that'd be very different. Given that SJG makes zero money on it, why not sell the license to CMoN for a buck, and see what they can do with it?

    13. James Diss on

      @Bob, injection molding had some along leaps and bounds since the day of producing the given model at 64x the size and using a pantograph to mill the first positive, and even prototyping the final miniatures is a lot easier than it used to be with 3d printing and the ability to produce more than a single master positive. Admittedly you still have the mold up-front costs, and amortized over a year you're still going to be fairly expensive due to the installed user-base of people who need inch-long cybertanks.

    14. John H. on

      Didn't Phil make a quick drive over to Reaper to discuss plastic?

      Why aren't Ogre minis made by Reaper?

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      bobrunnicles on

      Brian G, I can't speak for SJG but to do miniatures in plastic requires completely new molds and these are several orders of magnitude more expensive than regular metal molds. I very much doubt SJG want to invest that heavily into new OGRE miniatures molds....

    16. John H. on

      @Matt: You mistyped "Thank you, sir, may I have another?"

    17. John H. on

      If I wanted to pay exorbitant year-over-year price increases, I'd buy my stuff from Games Workshop!

    18. Brian Gilkison on

      You say "Metal's not cheap" – Why not re-do the miniatures in plastic? Plastic holds an insane amount of details these days; you could keep the same price as the originals, and still make a profit...

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      linuxgurugamer on

      Any idea when the "Barbarians at the Gate" and "Uncommon Ogres" will be available?

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      Michael Pressler on

      Maybe they were testing a new gamer gravity dead fall trap!

    22. Glenn Copeland

      Better teased than tased... usually.