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Update #75

The Secret Costs of Manufacturing a 25 lb. Game

Since the beginning, we’ve said that Ogre Designer’s Edition is Steve’s gift to everyone for the years of support that you have given us. On the Kickstarter page, Steve says:

“We couldn’t sell this for $100 if it weren’t for the cash that Munchkin has brought in (thank you, Munchkin). But it’s something I want to do.”

In this update, we are going to share what it costs to print Ogre. I’d like to thank Steve, our partners at Grand Prix International (and in China), and everyone in the office who listened to my reasons to share this information: I feel that it’s important to peel back the secret veil of game manufacturing just a little.

What‘s Not Included in These Numbers

The costs given below are for manufacturing only: setup and per unit costs. The numbers do not include our in-house (and freelance) development and production costs, or the safety testing. Also not included is shipping, which is significant. (Fourteen 40-foot containers of games are not inexpensive to ship around the world, not to mention shipping thousands of individual games to backers.)

First, though, I again have to thank Grand Prix International for going out of their way to help us make this game and for their generosity that got us a fantastic deal on manufacturing. I still remember the first time I started discussing the game specs with our rep, David, and how many times since then we have both marveled over the size of the game -- a game that kept growing as all of you started supporting the Kickstarter project. Without your help this edition of Ogre wouldn’t be what is.

Have we mentioned how huge this is? (The ruler in the lake is 6".) The maps are handmade prototypes -- the seams and finish will be much better in the final product. There is another GEV map not in this shot!

Setup Costs

Film. Dice tools. Diecut molds. All of these are vital to manufacturing Ogre. All of them cost money -- sometimes a lot of money. At this time, setup is roughly $13,000. If the plastic trays work out well then we should be okay, but if there are issues with the trays then we may find ourselves spending a little more.

Manufacturing Costs

Each copy of Ogre -- the edition going into hobby stores near you -- costs roughly $38 to manufacture and assemble. The Kickstarter edition, which comes with even more goodies, costs slightly more per unit. When we started outlining the project back in 2008, I knew it was going to be expensive to print, but not once did I imagine how much it would be.

Selling Ogre to Stores

We do not sell our games directly to retailers. We prefer to work through our excellent distributors, who buy games from us and sell them to retailers. The hobby game market’s distribution system makes our lives much easier: I hate to think about how many new employees we would need if the distributors weren’t there helping us.

Distributors pay us roughly 35% of the manufacturer’s suggested retail price (MSRP, better known as the price tag printed on the box) for each game they buy. (That 35% is an estimate; the exact percentage varies.)

Retailers provide a valuable service by giving all of us a place to buy (and play!) games. The next time you are in your favorite local game store, please thank your retailer for me. Every game you see in the store got there because the owner was willing to take a chance that you would want to buy it.

Thank You, Munchkin

Hopefully these numbers help you better understand just how big of a project Ogre is and explains what we mean when we say “Thank you, Munchkin.” Munchkin -- and all its wonderful fans -- has been great to us. It’s great to be in a position where we can give Steve’s first game design such an awesome treatment.

-- Phil Reed

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      Creator John H. on March 9, 2013

      On the plus side, initial copies of Zpocalypse have been sighted.

      Like Ogre DE, Zpoc is a big box of paper, and ran 4+ months late...

      From what I see, it seems that new-fangled miniatures production (Zombicide, Sedition Wars, DreamForge, Bones) typically delivers faster than old-fashioned printed paper (Zpocalypse, Ogre DE).

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      Creator Philip Reed on March 1, 2013

      @DutchUncleHAR - Not a problem at all. I was just trying to make things clear for everyone. And thank you for the support!

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      Creator Philip Reed on March 1, 2013

      @David Dodge - "Hopefully you will be able to print extra copies later if there is sufficient demand at stores or conventions."

      We will not be reprinting this edition of the game. It's just too big for anything more than this one run.

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      Creator David Dodge on March 1, 2013

      thanks for the info. That is about what i figured. Adding other expenses like shipping from china, then shipping to us, then paying your employees plus artists etc I can see where this is still a marginal project. Hopefully you will be able to print extra copies later if there is sufficient demand at stores or conventions. etc. At least the dies/tooling etc is done and could presumably be reused? It will rock if you will be able to demo the game at the major late summer early fall conventions.

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      Creator DutchUncleHAR on February 28, 2013

      @Philip Reed, and anyone else who may have gotten the wrong impression from my earlier posting: That was NOT a complaint. Far from it. This is a moon-shot of a project and I'm happy to be part of it.

      Once upon a time SJ was talking about 3000 copies max. Now you're talking about four times that. I'm betting this printing will set records that stand for years, and will become an icon like the Lewis chessmen. I hope bigtime that you guys DO make money on it in the long run, for the most selfish of reasons: there will be more amazing stuff for me to play with.

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      Creator Brian Rayburn on February 27, 2013

      @jonbly I think Phil was referring to the $150 KS version with Pocket Ogre included as a 'separate' version.

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      Creator jonbly on February 27, 2013

      Monstrosity? Just wait for Car Wars 6E - full scale edition! The starter pack alone will take six articulated lorries to deliver...

      Incidentally, how did we end up with three versions of OGRE? Kickstarter, Retail and...?

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      Creator Lee Graham on February 26, 2013

      @phil - I'm always thrilled when companies in the industry are willing to pull back the curtains and talk about this stuff. My back of the envelope calculation was pretty similar to Fred's. Tell Steve and Monica that Lee Graham said 'hi' and ask them about Bobo's if they haven't told you about it yet.

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      Creator Philip Reed on February 26, 2013

      Tom Smith Music - I know Steve has mentioned the music in an earlier update . . . I just can't find that info now. Sorry, but there's no news on music at this time. As soon as there is then we'll share.

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      Creator Philip Reed on February 26, 2013

      @Kelly Overholser - That 25 pound weight is an estimate. Once the trays are 100% final then the factory can create the white mockup of the entire package and we can get an accurate weight. But all of our estimates at the moment are pointing to 25 pounds for the entire package.

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      Creator Kelly Overholser on February 26, 2013

      I think the biggest thing I thought when I read this was..

      "Holy crap... this thing's going to be 25 pounds?"

      That... is one big game. What kind of monstrosity have we created? o_O

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      Creator John H. on February 26, 2013

      @Daryl: As far as I know, there hasn't been a peep about our promised music (and possible ringtone!) since SJG closed the KS. I'm sure that Tom Smith fella has been working away. Presumably, SJG will let us know when he's done, and we can download the MP3s like the e23 PDFs.

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      Creator S.D. on February 26, 2013

      Good point, Daryl... we'd love an update on Tom Smith! His involvement was a small, but very exciting, part of this campaign experience :-)

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      Creator Philip Reed on February 26, 2013

      @Joel B Green - Please keep in mind that the containers include Ogre (all three editions), all of the Ogre dice sets that we are producing, and all of the extra boards, counters, the canvas bags, and the special counter sheets for the $4,500 supporters. Everything that's being manufactured at the same factory for the Ogre project is shipping out together. It's a lot of stuff.

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      Creator Jeffro on February 26, 2013

      I still say this project reminds me of the Simpsons episode where Homer got to design the ultimate car.

      I can just imagine Phil getting a call back from the factory... saying, "I want you to call me back and say the opposite of everything you just said," and then... handing the phone over the Steve.

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      Creator Joel B Green on February 26, 2013

      I owned a gaming store for almost 6 years and of course I look at the numbers for printing as just another game. I am curious about the 14 shipping containers. Doing some quick math, each game taking up 2'x2'x6" (a guess) that's roughly 32 games per pallet, 40 pallets per container for a total of 1,280 games per pallet. My wife was thinking that 14 containers was too many and I was saying it was just about right....

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      Creator Lawrence "Saker" Collins on February 26, 2013

      @John H
      Plus, my name is on the box somewhere. You're right. In the words of Annie Wilkes, sorry for getting all oogey.

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      Creator Daryl McLaurine on February 26, 2013

      In reference to @John H:
      "30 minutes of Tom Smith music (maybe with bonus ringtone!)"

      I forgot about this...where do I find this music?

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      Creator Philip Reed on February 26, 2013

      @DutchUncleHAR - "So the retail distribution copies aren't a loss; rather, they are SJG's total gamble. If nobody buys them beyond the people who already Kickstarted, then they take up warehouse space and gather dust; "

      I almost forgot to tackle this one. Warehouse space and inventory taxes make any product that sits in the warehouse cost money. And when a game is as large as this one that's a lot of warehouse space.

      But I'm not worried about the game sticking around. It's a single printing (approximately 12,000 units total across all three editions) and we have let the distributors and retailers know that once these are gone we will not reprint the game. And even IF (and it's too early to say) we lose some unknown amount of money on every single game sold then we will be okay; my primary job is to take good care of Munchkin and Munchkin will take good care of us. We don't want to lose any money on the project, but if we do then we will survive.

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      Creator Philip Reed on February 26, 2013

      @jonbly - They are a retailer, but they are an online retailer so there's a lot of costs they don't have to deal with. And in the end they buy from the same distributors as any other retailer, at the same costs, and they're free to sell the game for any price they wish. And if any retailer who offers free shipping sees this I strongly suggest they think about the size of the game -- 24" x 20" x undecided depth, approximately 25 pounds -- when deciding how much to sell the game for. Shipping single copies of this out to anyone is going to be pricey.

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      Creator Philip Reed on February 26, 2013

      @DutchUncleHAR - I know that at the time the Kickstarter project launched our in-house costs were already higher than the project's goal, but if you feel that our numbers are dramatically different from some earlier discussion it could be a million (or maybe a dozen) little things that have changed.

      Some examples:

      * Raw materials cost increases. Ogre has been in the works long enough that between the time we started the project and when we signed the final order the basic costs have increased multiple times.

      * Labor costs in China have been rising. This is a good thing for the people working in the factories and a bad thing for the cost of manufacturing goodies for sale. So far the good outweighs the bad, but labor costs in China have already led to some changes in larger companies.

      * The game is bigger than we originally planned. Every extra counter sheet added to the costs. For example, switching to four single-sided boards in place of two double-sided boards added more raw materials to the project.

      * Acrylic dice cost more than urea dice. 19mm dice cost more than 16mm dice. One red and one blue die costs more than two dice of the same color. Why? Because that requires two molds instead of one AND safety testing costs increase; each color of plastic is another test at the lab.

      * In-house costs are higher today than the were the day the project closed. When so many in the office are working on one project for months longer than planned things are going to get expensive.

      But if you have a specific concern where you feel information has been wrong -- either now or in the past -- please point to it and I will see if either I made a mistake (it happens, but I have some great help to correct my mistakes) or there's some piece to the puzzle that you are missing,

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      Creator Philip Reed on February 26, 2013

      @Lawrence "Saker" Collins - What retailers, and online discounters, will sell the game for has come up before (I want to say BGG). We do not control what a retailer charges for the game. And what a retailer charges has no impact on what we earn; we sell to distributors.

      The copies of Kickstarter that are going to stores (other than the stores that backed the Kickstarter project) weigh a little less because they have fewer counter sheets. And every Kickstarter backer who supported at $150 or more gets one copy of Pocket Ogre. I think that the Kickstarter sets have some pretty good extras.

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      Creator jonbly on February 26, 2013

      The disconnect here is that (I'm guessing) Coolstuffinc aren't really a retail store any more. Sure the bricks and mortar are still there, and that makes a handy office location, but the money's driven by the internet sales. Internet sales have lower overheads (ask Amazon), and conventional retail can't compete. The distributor cuts a deal to get bulk sales to them, and for everyone else in the chain the maths starts to break down.

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      Creator Philip Reed on February 26, 2013

      @Fred Hicks - Fred, that 35% does not include shipping to distributors. All of our warehousing and fulfillment is handled by PSI (and there's a lot of warehousing and fulfillment going on). Not to mention the saleswork PSI puts into our line, which definitely has value. I have no complaints with PSI and they help us a lot and have been a large part of our growth.

      @Jeff Vandine - Jeff, until the project is complete we don't know how much we've made or lost. Every day more money is sunk into the project in-house as we work on it. And we're doing okay, but thanks for worrying.

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      Creator John H. on February 26, 2013

      @Larry, sorry, I got cut off.

      If you really don't see the added value in electronic copies of books you probably already bought decades ago, 30 minutes of Tom Smith music (maybe with bonus ringtone!), the Car Wars forum access, a $5 copy of Pocket Ogre, a promise to relaunch Ogre Minis, a promise of an expansion, and so on, then I guess you could let Phil know and see if he'll refund your money.

      Good luck!

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      Creator John H. on February 26, 2013

      @Larry: You're paying $30 extra to get a handful of exclusive sheets and the box some number of days before general release. Sure, in your case, you could have gotten a 4th set for 5 buck less, and not have tied up your money for over a year, but you wouldn't have the personal satisfaction of donating extra money to have Steve's Munchkin-funded project produced in the first place.

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      Creator Lawrence "Saker" Collins on February 26, 2013

      @KevinR
      Thanks for the (slightly churlish) reminder.

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      Creator Kevin Carpenter on February 25, 2013

      Thanks for the update! Looking forward to the game.

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      Creator KevinR on February 25, 2013

      @Lawrence -- as explained in Update #74 (and previously), Kickstarter editions of Ogre have six extra sheets of counters/overlays ("Targets go boom", $350K, $750K).
      See http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/847271320/ogre-designers-edition/posts/411194

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      Creator Lawrence "Saker" Collins on February 25, 2013

      @Rick
      PLEASE tell me those aren't going to have the same stuff as KS edition OGRE6es. I bought 3 copies of OGRE6e (don't ask me why), and if CoolStuff is selling them for $70, I'm going to be SEVERELY irritated.

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      Creator KevinR on February 25, 2013

      @DutchUncle -- what you say makes sense as well. For a print run of some 10,000, SJG is paying about $400K to the factory (including tooling) and maybe another $100K for the shipping containers -- about $500K to get 10,000 games to Austin. Perhaps 5000 of those are being shipped to US Kickstarter backers ($150K shipping) and perhaps 2000 to foreign backers ($100K shipping). $750K plus the Amazon/KS take of 10% or so leaves maybe $100K remaining to buy all the extras (shirts, counter sheets, etc.).
      .
      That would leave SJG with 3000 copies of Ogre DE available for distribution and a bunch of unpaid artists and employees. At about $35 apiece, those copies might sell for $100K -- far below those art and employee costs.

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      Creator Rick Koeppen on February 25, 2013

      @ Lawrence: At CoolStuffInc. Ogre: Designer's Edition is on Pre-Order at $69.99.

      I have been considering getting a second copy at that price...

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      Creator John H. on February 25, 2013

      The real question is the average shipping cost.

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      Creator DutchUncleHAR on February 25, 2013

      Not to sound unappreciative, but some of the math sounds different from earlier postings. I thought the idea was that SJG's profit on this project would essentially be the pile of retail copies.

      We all paid $100; Kickstarter and the credit card companies brought that down to maybe $92, right from the start. Essentially we're getting that $38 box at wholesale. And I'm perfectly happy to have paid for it because it would not be able to exist had we not all gotten together to underwrite it.

      The ONLY reason SJG could afford to print and ship ANY of these is that they had the cash in advance. The copies of the game that were not specifically ordered could only be made because of the mass printing - but in some sense they cost nothing because they are the overrun that fits within the money available. All of the cash money goes into the production and shipping and satisfying the project underwriters, and those extra games represent the profit as investment in inventory.

      So the retail distribution copies aren't a loss; rather, they are SJG's total gamble. If nobody buys them beyond the people who already Kickstarted, then they take up warehouse space and gather dust; OTOH every copy sold is redeeming a piece of the investment.

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      Creator Lawrence "Saker" Collins on February 25, 2013

      Let's hope that means we won't be seeing certain online retailers selling OGRE6E for $78 (free shipping with every order over $100!). That's caused some irritation with KS backers of board games.

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      Creator Jeff Vandine on February 25, 2013

      What Fred said! Seems to me, that you lose your shirt on every copy of the game that goes to a retail store! Especially given that the cost they are paying doesn't cover anything other than most of the production cost. Not sure what the economies are there, but I'm glad I bought mine from the Kickstarter now -- I'd like to see some of the money stay in YOUR pockets!

      Mind you, I love having an FLGS nearby (even though I don't -- the closest one is about 500 miles away nowadays), but at that cost, it's a wonder you can stay in business at all!

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      Creator KevinR on February 25, 2013

      @Fred -- it's probably at least a 10,000 unit run (given probably 6-7K sold here). Still, the $13K probably makes it $40 at the dock in China (ignoring internal shipping). Phil has mentioned elsewhere (BGG) that it's going to be only 900 games per container; it's been several years since I priced a container, but I believe the numbers tended to be thousands of dollars and heavily affected by oil prices -- this might well add another $5-10 per game. Overland from a handy port to Austin or the distributor will add a bit more. I'd be surprised if they can get it to the distribution chain for less than $50, which might mean a $10-15 loss per unit.
      .
      Kickstarter sets are slightly better. $50 to Austin, plus maybe another $30 for US shipping, might leave $20 per domestic KS unit to pay for artists, employees, etc. $100K probably doesn't buy two FTEs with overhead, though. Foreign KS units are probably at a loss now given postage increases since April, but not as bad as the distribution units.
      .
      How do you make a small fortune in the game industry? Start with a large fortune...

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      Creator Fred Hicks / Evil Hat Productions on February 25, 2013

      Just on those numbers alone, it looks like you take a $3 loss whenever you sell one of these $100 games that costs $38 to manufacture at 35% to a distributor. (I'm assuming you probably start more like at 40%, but those distributors love their free shipping, so that's part of how you end up down in the 35% range.)

      Setup costs of $13k probably add a couple bucks more to that $38 per unit cost. And then the shipping and the talent that got the game to happen in the first place.

      Yiiikes, man. So glad you have this Kickstarter full of direct-sales revenue to soak some of that cost, because, dang, that is a rough position to take the product into distribution.

      Thanks for sharing this! As you know, I'm a big fan of transparency. :)

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    For brick-and-mortar retailers ONLY! For $300, you will receive four copies of the Kickstarter edition of Ogre, one T-shirt, and one extra Kickstarter counter sheet so you can show off the constructible Ogres and buildings. Your store name will be in the list of supporters. NOTE that we WILL call, and/or confirm with distributors, and/or send MIBs to your address, to verify that you are a genuine brick-and-mortar store. Any unverified supporters at this level will receive two copies of the game and nothing else! So do NOT choose this level unless you can prove that you are a real, currently operating, brick-and-mortar retailer. NOTE ALSO that this has to ship to an address in the continental US, but the store itself does not have to be in the US.

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    As the $150 level (that is, game plus swag), but you get THREE copies of the game. (US only.)

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    UK x 2! Two copies of Ogre Sixth Edition, shipped FedEx to the UK, plus everything from the $25 level, AND your name on the box (on the side of the box bottom), AND a 4-color “thanks for your support” certificate signed by Steve Jackson. (UK only.)

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    BRAZIL (finally)! One copy of Ogre Sixth Edition, shipped FedEx to Brazil, plus everything from the $25 level, AND your name on the box (on the side of the box bottom), AND a 4-color “thanks for your support” certificate signed by Steve Jackson. Important note: The "small box with certain extras gets free shipping) offer does not apply to Brazil. We will not send a small box to Brazil, because that box cannot be insured, and there have been repeated issues with packages, even insured ones, sent to Brazil. Be aware of all this before you support at this level, please, because you ship to Brazil entirely at your own risk. (Brazil only.)

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    AUSTRALIA/NZ x 2! Two copies of Ogre Sixth Edition, shipped FedEx to Australia or New Zealand, plus everything from the $25 level, AND your name on the box (on the side of the box bottom), AND a 4-color “thanks for your support” certificate signed by Steve Jackson. (Australia and NZ only.)

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    CANADA x 3! Three copies of Ogre Sixth Edition, shipped FedEx to Canada, plus everything from the $25 level, AND your name on the box (on the side of the box bottom), AND a 4-color “thanks for your support” certificate signed by Steve Jackson. (Canada only.)

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    UK x 3! Three copies of Ogre Sixth Edition, shipped FedEx to the UK, plus everything from the $25 level, AND your name on the box (on the side of the box bottom), AND a 4-color “thanks for your support” certificate signed by Steve Jackson. (UK only.)

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    AUSTRALIA/NZ x 3! Three copies of Ogre Sixth Edition, shipped FedEx to Australia or New Zealand, plus everything from the $25 level, AND your name on the box (on the side of the box bottom), AND a 4-color “thanks for your support” certificate signed by Steve Jackson. (Australia or NZ only.)

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    The $150 level, plus one of Steve Jackson’s own unopened archive copies of the FIRST edition of Ogre, with the Winchell Chung cover art. The first-edition copy can be signed, or left unopened - your choice. (US only.)

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    Sponsorship at this level will improve the rulebook by letting us hire a fantastic illustrator to do some character images. The $335 level . . . PLUS our artist, working from your photo, will put you into rulebook illustrations, and your name will appear in the credits. Depending on your own look and your preferences, you might be an officer, a trooper, a tanker, a refugee, a civilian leader, a technician . . . (Okay, at this level we will ship your game anywhere.)

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    You are sponsoring a whole 8" x 10” counter sheet, which will go into every copy of the game. We’ll work with you to determine what goes on the sheet and how it will be colored. The unit design will have to fit Ogre canon (no clown faces on the Superheavy Tanks, no overt advertising on the Ogres . . .) but that still leaves a lot of leeway. Your name will go on the sheet as sponsor, and we’ll send you at least a dozen extra copies of the sheet. This also includes everything at the $100 level. (Again, shipped anywhere.)

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    Your own exclusive 8" x 10” counter sheet. Want an Ogre with your logo on it? Want a squadron of pink GEVs? No problem. We’ll work with you on colors, design, and choice of dies. You’ll also be able to print your logo, name, or other stuff on the margins of the sheet. This could be a promo item for a convention, distributor, or big retail store. These sheets won’t go into the actual game. We will ship you at least 3,000. We’ll own the remaining copies but (unless you wish otherwise) they’ll stay in our warehouse for at least a year after the new Ogre game is released. If you want to resell your sheets, rather than just give them away, you’ll have to sign a licensing agreement to use the Ogre name and images, but that won’t cost you extra. This also includes everything at the $100 level. (Shipping free in the US. You will pay actual shipping costs outside the US.)

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    Your own exclusive 10.5 x 17.125” counter sheet. You must use one of our existing dies; your best choices are Combine armor, Paneuro armor, or a sheet full of Ogres. Time is short, so you must either provide your own art to our specs, or make the "paint" job simple. You’ll still be able to print your logo, name, or other stuff on the margins of the sheet. These sheets won’t go into the actual game. We will ship you at least 3,000. We’ll own the remaining copies but (unless you wish otherwise) they’ll stay in our warehouse for at least a year after the new Ogre game is released. If you want to resell your sheets, rather than just give them away, you’ll have to sign a licensing agreement to use the Ogre name and images, but that won’t cost you extra. This also includes everything at the $100 level. (Shipping free in the US. You will pay actual shipping costs outside the US.)

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    Your Own Ogre Convention. Steve Jackson will attend your 2-day Ogre event anywhere in the US or Canada (you can ask about other locations, but no promises!). You will need to cover Steve’s hotel and travel costs separately, and dates have to fit his existing commitments, so factor that in, and please talk to Steve directly (post a comment with your contact info) before you pledge! You also get four copies of the Kickstarter edition, your choice of $600 worth of Ogre swag or extras, and naming rights to one Ogre in the Designer's Edition as described for the $200 level. Steve will bring a large stack of party favors (including three of our prototype 3-D Ogres which you can use as prizes), run events, talk about upcoming projects, sign things, and other general convention stuff. Or you can do it as a house party and only invite a few people. Your call.

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