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Would it be possible to file a complaint at FTC's web page here: https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov ? I'm not sure if that makes much sense and how to do that properly.
P.S. Idea came from this article: https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/press-releases/2015/06/crowdfunding-project-creator-settles-ftc-charges-deception
Some people just needs to be high fived.
In the face.
With a chair.
прихуели братцы. жизнь накажет пиздюков
It's not happening, and we aren't getting our money back.
any news on this??
I don't think there are many options concerning legal action. The only action you can take is to punch him in the face if you happen to run into him.
Anyone interested in pursuing legal action? Not sure what can be done, but I think its worth investigating.
Bunch of crooks!
This kickstarter is a bad joke - made four times the target and rode off into the sunset. Not impressed.
Bummer.. no.5 in a grand total of 175 projects backed. And in only 1 of those 5 i saw it coming in hinesight.
Dan Hall, I asked the same question about three weeks ago and got no response on here. Just to let you know, I have emailed AmazonPayments and they hide behind the "been too long to care policy." Kickstarter staff did actually email me back but they also did not care too much. Was just given a series of "We're sorry for your bad experience" lines from KickStarter.
anyone got an update on these con artists?
Seems like those without an icon are naive as F.
Concerning this project, has anyone recieved a response from either Kickstarter or AmazonPayments?
As of August, the scum brothers seem to have snuck out of the condo they were squatting in and have never been heard from since. Who cares, I'm out $25 bucks....I've lost more than that in donated pants pockets.
Either way, lesson learned. This whole thing is over.
The only real tragedy (other than the poor woman who had to go through the AirBnB debocle) is that this game looked SOOO cool.
I still want to believe... But that Air bnb thing has really thrown me for a loop.
The picture is "ConEx". Ex-con, or just a con? Scumbag.
deader as dead
Pedro, super unlikely. As far as I know kickstarter is very strict with their "buyer beware" Policy. Refunds can only come from the person running the project.
I believe. I still believe... :D
Ok, so are we getting our money back or what? Kickstarter is taking too long to take a stand on this issue.
So do we know anything new about this project?
I usually dont care too much about deadlines because i still have a lot of backlog to clean but i havent seen any update from this game since July.
So I googled and found... sigh.
So... unlikely we'll get anything guys / girls.
C'mon, some updates please!!!
still no update? i feel like kickstarter should seriously take some responsibility here
Markus Rajala, +1 - absolutely agree!
Well, fairly certain now that I'll never see those ten bucks again or the commodity I paid for. I can only hope this project will brand Pashanin's future works in such a way that he won't be able to work in the industry, with all his credibility down the drain.
Would someone be able to post their communication with amazon that led to a refund? I would like to get a refund, as it is clearly that the creator is a scammer, and kickstarer won't take any responsibility in the issue besides the classic "talk to him" answer.
While I know its not kickstarters problem that Mark is a thief, they still should uphold their terms and agreements. Even if that means taking him to court representing the backers.
I still have faith in this project. Maye this guy is just as lazy as i am xD
The demo was awesome, it really boosted my faith in the game at the time. They actually built an awesome game engine and had a great idea before they bitched out and betrayed 2,386 people.
One thing that still escapes me about this. There was a solid product available, as evidenced by the demo. Whenever I back things, the demo serves as proof of concept, I.E. not gonna get scammed, generally. So my question is, how on earth do you go through the effort to put together a demo that well and then not deliver on any of it?
i want my $35 back!
Please refund me my 10$ hollar. It would be better spent on literally anything else.
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No, it's not time. Don't get me wrong, I'm as sick of this project and especially the man in charge an anyone, but they made the terms now, so I'm not sure you can apply it here. for the project that is long after funding. If you put yout project to kickstarter you have to agree to their terms. And here He didn't agree with these new terms so you can't really sue Him, because of these new terms. That is my opinion as a "civilian". Maybe someone with knowledge of law can back me up ;)
Kickstarter made the terms of service clearer. "If a creator is unable to complete their project and fulfill rewards, they've failed to live up to the basic obligations of this agreement. To right this, they must make every reasonable effort to find another way of bringing the project to the best possible conclusion for backers,"
Time to take these assholes to court!! Who's with me!!!
Im to lasy to even bother for refund for my blody 10$. But im with you guys! Need to be carefull next time :(
Final update: After I bitched about Amazon's "advice", they responded by crediting my Amazon account $10 (the amount of my ConEx pledge) on my next purchase. So there's that.
Update: Amazon hilariously suggested I ask Mr. Pashanin for a refund. The chances of that at this point seem to be low.
Yeah I was told that the transactions were past the time period for filing a dispute. Here's what they said:
Greetings from Amazon Payments,
Thank you for contacting us regarding your transaction x
Dispute for this transaction cannot be filed as the time period to file a dispute for the above transaction has lapsed. Therefore, we kindly request you route the reimbursement for this transaction through your credit card issuing company and file a chargeback. Your credit card issuer will provide more information about reimbursement for this transaction.
Thank you for your understanding in this matter and we apologize for the inconvenience caused.
Unfortunately my bank said they only reimburse on products not received within a 120 day window :(
I am curious as to how those of you who have gotten Amazon Payments to refund you have done it. I had to resort to sending an e-mail to their support because the standard complaint form would not allow me to continue (too much time has passed since the transaction). We'll see if it works.
I got refunded but you have to make a stink. Tell them to change their policy while you're at it.
Lars, thanks for the tip. I'll definitely be contacting Amazon payments. Daniel, don't let it this whole thing sour you. I've backed other projects and got everything that I bought from the crew that made Run, Fight or Die for example.
This is all crazy. Just requested a refund in amazon payments. Anyone been refunded yet??
Lars, agreed 100% but "If there is any dignity left in you" the dude squatted in an air B&B, I think any dignity has been dead & burred for a VERY long time.
I have also requested a refund via Amazon Payments. This whole affair has basically ruined kick-starter for me.
Kickstarter does not offer refunds. A Project Creator is not required to grant a Backer’s request for a refund
[and now comes the important part]
unless the Project Creator is unable or unwilling to fulfill the reward.
Project Creators are required to fulfill all rewards of their successful fundraising campaigns or refund any Backer whose reward they do not or cannot fulfill.
Since there is no further communication on the project and no progress in the last months and the whole sqauttering thing, I think no one can be confident in the project creator to be able or willing to fulfill the rewards.
Therefore I contacted Maksym via Amazon Payments, but haven't received an answer (anyone surprised?). So next step is that I contact Amazon directly and demand a refund. If that does not work I contact my bank.
I will not let any possibility down to get my money back from these... people.