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Fire Mountain Games, publisher of "Way of the Wicked" launches a subterranean adventure path for the Pathfinder RPG -- Throne of Night
Fire Mountain Games, publisher of "Way of the Wicked" launches a subterranean adventure path for the Pathfinder RPG -- Throne of Night
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    1. Derek Blakely on September 6, 2017

      I agree that Pathfinder is suffering from too many books. You can't find a balanced party anymore because of it. I know because I run the majority of the PFS games in this city. That said, while I like the idea of 5e and enjoying watching it be played by actors and entertainers, I'm too old and way too poor learn a new system, and it's like pulling teeth to get others to go along with you even if you did. At least around here it is. The best I can hope for is someone else learns a system and runs it at a convention. I might eventually end up others here and just retire from gaming altogether.
      In the back of my mind, I can't help but wonder if someone did take over the project if anyone would even care at this point. Yeah, you might have it, but would you ever run it? I know my group's soured and will now only do Paizo adventures because they're guaranteed to be finished by a certain date.

    2. Mirko Hess on September 6, 2017

      Well Pathfinder is a nice system but it suffers under the same problems 3E and 3.5 suffered under - too many rules. Too many options. Slow, static combat that with all the maneuvers and stuff feels like 80s wargaming from time to time. Every new hybrid class unbalances the game more and more. It´s just the way things go with systems. Pathfinder had it´s time and will be played by many for years to come but many more will leave it for fresher, less complicated and faster systems. It´s past its heyday. Imo has to do with the fact that the next gamer generation is around the corner. Long time gamers who started with AD&D 2nd or even D&D 3E are getting older and dropping out. New blood needs to be injected. Try bringing in a new player (new to roleplaying or even new to Pathfinder) into a already playing Pathfinder group and see how it goes. Very, very difficult. Bring in a new player in a already playing D&D 5 or Fantasy Age group and see how that goes. Whole different story.
      I share your feeling about physical copies to some extent but what can I say? I´m a dinosaur that way, a hard-copy-man. For gaming purposes I always owe the pdfs but my library hungers for books too and I can´t put pdfs in the shelfs ^^. So, there you have it. Guess everybody has his own ticks, eh?!
      As for McBride, sure, I share the feeling. But let´s be honest: the guy had chance after chance after chance to do the right thing and prove that he´s a decent sort. Blew em all. He´s a lying, cowardly fraud and he won´t do it. You know it, I know it and everybody with half a brain knows it by now.

    3. Derek Blakely on September 5, 2017

      I still do Pathfinder, but it leaves a sour taste in my mouth as of late. Not because of this project, but just the system in general. I long to try out 5e and personally have zero interest in Starfinder.
      I feel bad for everyone who paid for physical copies. I've been burned too often by buying those so I stopped a long time ago. Too often they got crapped out only to be immediately errata'd within 24 hours of their release. Fewer things aggravate me more than arguing with a player who has a book copy and my pdf has the true write-up.

      Part of me just wishes Gary would forfeit the rights to another company and let them finish it.

    4. Mirko Hess on September 4, 2017

      No surprise there. Half of the people who put money into this trainwreck probably have left Pathfinder as a system by now.
      Anyway....we won´t get an update. Everybody knows by now that this is true. Something will be put out in around 6 months. It will be a stitched together piece of crap. No apology is going to come with it. It will be pdf. People who paid for physical product will be fucked. People who paid for physical product for ToN AND WotW will be fucked even more. The end.

    5. Derek Blakely on September 3, 2017

      It's interesting. I happened upon the Facebook page for FMG again today. The last time I'd been there was September 2016. There's been a couple of posts from unhappy people from here on there since then. The best was the joking comment from David saying "I think I just found a new dungeon. The Lost Tomb Of The Throne Of Night."

      It's insane to think that it's been since June 2013 since that page was last update, and October 2015 since we got an update.

      I honestly wish that Gary would update us and not just support other projects. I saw he gave money to support a comedy AP for Starfinder as well as Cthulhu and 5e adventures. I think he's long since given up on Pathfinder as a system.

    6. Derek Blakely on August 8, 2017

      I was thinking more "Americans". Those of us who live outside the country can't sue, as per the terms of KS.

    7. Mirko Hess on August 8, 2017

      "Certain people"? Right.......namely those people that sue his worthless ass before court. The rest who can´t or won´t will get the finger.

    8. Derek Blakely on August 6, 2017

      Mine was "only" $93, but being Canadian and the the dollar sucking at the time, it was significantly more. We probably have to wait until next year for that, and even then only certain people might see any kind of return.
      I randomly reached out to Gary again, but never got anything back. Doubting I even got through.

    9. William S. on August 6, 2017

      I would really love something for my 150 bucks or you know that money back.

    10. Derek Blakely on July 31, 2017

      You're likely not wrong. I'm just hoping for something, regardless.
      I'm starting to feel burnout from writing, but mine's mainly due to low ratings and reviews. At least his is still selling and being praised. Could have the adverse affect I suppose. Too concerned with rocking an amazing project that can top the previous one.

    11. Mirko Hess on July 27, 2017

      He´ll puke some half-baked shit out around Jan/Feb/March 2018 mark my words

    12. Derek Blakely on July 27, 2017

      Not even a blip. Guess at this point he's probably forgotten all about this.

    13. Derek Blakely on June 20, 2017

      For me it wasn't so much a question of the quality, but rather the year. Being 2017 and still seeing the first two books in the Top 10 blew my mind.

    14. Mirko Hess on June 20, 2017

      The quality of Way of the Wicked was never in question really though I DO think that it get too much praise. It´s a good AP, don´t take me wrong, but hardly as faultless as some paint it. The first two books really shine after that it does need quite a bit of work and polishing. It´s on par with paizo´s APs though and that says a lot.
      What is very much in question is McBrides behavior as a businessman and - as far as I´m concerned - a responsible adult. If I hadn´t been part of this fuckfest he calls a kickstarter campaign (and frankly would now puke at the thought of giving him any money) I still might buy his work when it´s done (or WotW).

    15. Derek Blakely on June 17, 2017

      Don't know if anyone gets the Paizo newsletter or not, but Way of the Wicked has been fiercely clawing its way back up the Top 10 3pp books for the past few months. Mainly just the first two, but still.

    16. Derek Blakely on June 17, 2017

      I would be okay with that. I know of at least one other person brought it up in passing that I should be the new CEO, but keep Gary on as the janitor and have him work his way back up.
      Got three projects on the go at the moment. They're about 99% complete. Just waiting to hear back on whether I need to make any revisions or not. One is a magic item supplement, and two are adventures. See how those go.
      I also got my first 5-star review from End. He enjoyed my "final boss" character I did for a villain supplement that never actually got off the ground. It's in the new Pathways free magazine that came out, if anyone is interested. It's called The Red King.

    17. David Taylor on June 17, 2017

      So...still no word from "Could've Died" McBride? Typical. So when the inevitable lawsuit begins who else thinks the entirety of the rights to Fire Mountain Games should be awarded to Derek? He's certainly done more for this project than McBride ever did.

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      Guild on June 16, 2017

      Ever heard of Karma Gary?

    19. Derek Blakely on June 11, 2017

      So 192 projects backed, but no communication? That's bad form, Gary. Thanks to the KS notifications, I get an email every time you support something. I'm not saying you shouldn't, but at this point you should be saving every penny and completing your own project. Not only that, but there's blood in the water, the sharks are circling, and you may need that for lawyer fees come June 2018. Need you to please think hard on that.

    20. Derek Blakely on June 1, 2017

      It is, but that's their policy. The most they can do tell you that they'll send the person an email saying "hey, you should finish your project." I'm sure they do, but if our emails aren't getting through then guaranteed theirs aren't either.

    21. Newton Philis on June 1, 2017

      That seems very irresponsible of Kickstarter...
      In the very least, you'd think they would 'ban' him from their site, or restrict his account.
      It is a bit of a slap in our faces to see him take our money and then back other projects...

    22. Derek Blakely on June 1, 2017

      We have to wait the year, then we can contact lawyers and see what can be done. Unfortunately, the legalities are very specific that KS doesn't interfere, they can't be held liable even remotely, and cases are supposed to happen in New York. It's possible that a lawyer you talk to has heard of loopholes that can be used in your favour. However, the biggest kicker is you apparently have to be American. No justice for the rest of us, it would seem.

    23. Newton Philis on May 31, 2017

      Is there anything we (the defendants) have to do to get the ball rolling on Legal action? Or is that initiated by Kickstarter automatically after 5 years?

    24. Derek Blakely on May 24, 2017

      If he gave up on writing the other four + extra scenario, and just condensed it into "three books", I'd be alright with it at this point. Just so long as everything he gave us in the cliff notes was still there and none of it removed. Maybe it's fast progression now instead of medium. I'd be fine with that at this point. Other people? No clue. And I wouldn't want to speak on their behave either. Given what I've invested in comparison to others, it's enough.

    25. Mirko Hess on May 24, 2017

      @Derak: Quite true, quite true. Just why I believe he´ll drop some half-baked piece of crap around late March or April 2018 (maybe 3 books but most likely just one stating that he combined the missing three books into this one volume).

    26. Derek Blakely on May 23, 2017

      @Mirko--After this long I don't think even he'd believe releasing Book 3 would grant him a stay of execution. Nothing short of all five books, printed, would dilute the blood in the water at this point.

    27. Mirko Hess on May 23, 2017

      @William: Oh, don´t worry. McBride will probably throw some half-baked "adventure" up within the year to avoid getting his ass handed to him in court after the 5 years are up. Will it be worth the wait and all the stress and anger though? Doubtful.

    28. William S. on May 22, 2017

      @Michael No kidding. I guess I can kiss my 150 goodbye forever.

    29. Michael Black on May 18, 2017

      I'm so happy I paid extra to get my copies autographed.

    30. Derek Blakely on May 17, 2017

      I hadn't thought of that. Guess I'll be using the fork to shovel in more as well. Oh, and we can cook some ground beef and sprinkle that with some other toppings maybe tomatoes, chives, and a few other things. Us foreign boys will try to save some leftovers for everyone else.

    31. Mirko Hess on May 17, 2017 action is for you US boys. Be my guests. You can sue and get some money. Us sinister, obscure foreign types your courts care shit about. So for us it´s just torches and pitchforks (torches are only for melting cheese naturally and pitchforks so we can stuff chips into our mouth faster. Honestly).

    32. Derek Blakely on May 16, 2017

      Depending on the type of chips, you could still bring torches. Make them nacho chips, bring some shredded cheese to melt over them, and maybe a little salsa and sour cream for dipping. Could be fun.

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      Chris Mizanin on May 16, 2017

      Next year is the "5 year anniversary".
      I was under the impression the five-year gift was "Legal Action"?

    35. Mirko Hess on May 16, 2017

      And here I thought next year is the time to finally bring the torches and pitchforks...........but ok, chips might be nice too

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      Thilo on May 12, 2017

      *sigh* And they say that hope dies last...

    38. Mirko Hess on May 8, 2017

      I know what I expected and I got exactly what I expected: nothing.

      See you in 12 month for a second serving of today´s treat.

    39. Derek Blakely on May 8, 2017

      I'm not sure what I expected.

    40. Derek Blakely on May 6, 2017

      Not to get on your case, Gary, but tomorrow is the anniversary. Saying something would be greatly appreciated. Just want to put that out there.

    41. Derek Blakely on April 13, 2017

      Less than a month before the anniversary again.

    42. Derek Blakely on April 4, 2017

      @Mirko: Yeah, I'm not hyped for Starfinder either. I'm not even going to attempt to fun the Starfinder Society that's coming out. I'm content with just regular PFS, but that of course depends on the players too. But yeah, just have to wait and see. I'm prefer Pathfinder if only because my current set of notes only works for that system.

    43. Mirko Hess on April 4, 2017

      @Derek: Ok, I´ll try to post a review soon as I got a chance to play through it. Yes, well, guess it really is fair to let you do some other stuff first to get a better feeling for your work. Can´t blame the guys for that, eh?!
      As for system I do hope for Pathfinder as I don´t intend to get Starfinder (not a big fan of the whole Science Fantasy stuff).

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      Brynjar Sigurðsson on April 3, 2017

      Robert I know how you feel. I put in $300. This is just lost money.

    45. Derek Blakely on April 2, 2017

      I would also like to say that anyone who read or played through the adventure, please a review for it on either Paizo or DriveThruRPG/RPGNow.

    46. Derek Blakely on April 1, 2017

      Funny enough, I backed (which got funded) the "How to Write Adventure Modules That Don't Suck" Kickstarter. I only found out about it because I follow Gary's expenditures, and it seemed like a good idea at the time to support it. You can bet I'll be reading this religiously.

    47. Derek Blakely on March 31, 2017

      @Mirko -- The other concern is Pathfinder vs Starfinder. What's more likely to bring in money, and would it be worth it to do another AP with the basic Pathfinder system or have mine take place in space? That's also fair. Personally I want Pathfinder, but we'll see.

      If I gave Gary money again, I'd have a full contract done up first.

    48. Derek Blakely on March 31, 2017

      @Mirko -- Why thank you. Your comment is very much appreciated. Yes, the AP is still planning on being a thing, but various publishers I've chatted with have all stated they want to get me on other projects to see if I'm just a one-trick pony or not. And you know what? That's absolutely fair. I can't argue with them on that kind of mind set.

    49. Mirko Hess on March 31, 2017

      @Derek: Oh and btw.....very lovely work with Beasts of Bright Mountain. I´m looking forward to your own AP (if it´s still a thing, which I hope).

    50. Mirko Hess on March 31, 2017

      @Robert: And you were. Welcome to my world....

      @Derek: He´d just take that money and blow it on some fun stuff for himself too. If I´d win lottery I´d instead relocate to the US and sue his sorry ass for all it´s worth just for the fun of it.

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