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For me it wasn't so much a question of the quality, but rather the year. Being 2017 and still seeing the first two books in the Top 10 blew my mind.
The quality of Way of the Wicked was never in question really though I DO think that it get too much praise. It´s a good AP, don´t take me wrong, but hardly as faultless as some paint it. The first two books really shine after that it does need quite a bit of work and polishing. It´s on par with paizo´s APs though and that says a lot.
What is very much in question is McBrides behavior as a businessman and - as far as I´m concerned - a responsible adult. If I hadn´t been part of this fuckfest he calls a kickstarter campaign (and frankly would now puke at the thought of giving him any money) I still might buy his work when it´s done (or WotW).
Don't know if anyone gets the Paizo newsletter or not, but Way of the Wicked has been fiercely clawing its way back up the Top 10 3pp books for the past few months. Mainly just the first two, but still.
I would be okay with that. I know of at least one other person brought it up in passing that I should be the new CEO, but keep Gary on as the janitor and have him work his way back up.
Got three projects on the go at the moment. They're about 99% complete. Just waiting to hear back on whether I need to make any revisions or not. One is a magic item supplement, and two are adventures. See how those go.
I also got my first 5-star review from End. He enjoyed my "final boss" character I did for a villain supplement that never actually got off the ground. It's in the new Pathways free magazine that came out, if anyone is interested. It's called The Red King.
So...still no word from "Could've Died" McBride? Typical. So when the inevitable lawsuit begins who else thinks the entirety of the rights to Fire Mountain Games should be awarded to Derek? He's certainly done more for this project than McBride ever did.
Ever heard of Karma Gary?
So 192 projects backed, but no communication? That's bad form, Gary. Thanks to the KS notifications, I get an email every time you support something. I'm not saying you shouldn't, but at this point you should be saving every penny and completing your own project. Not only that, but there's blood in the water, the sharks are circling, and you may need that for lawyer fees come June 2018. Need you to please think hard on that.
It is, but that's their policy. The most they can do tell you that they'll send the person an email saying "hey, you should finish your project." I'm sure they do, but if our emails aren't getting through then guaranteed theirs aren't either.
That seems very irresponsible of Kickstarter...
In the very least, you'd think they would 'ban' him from their site, or restrict his account.
It is a bit of a slap in our faces to see him take our money and then back other projects...
We have to wait the year, then we can contact lawyers and see what can be done. Unfortunately, the legalities are very specific that KS doesn't interfere, they can't be held liable even remotely, and cases are supposed to happen in New York. It's possible that a lawyer you talk to has heard of loopholes that can be used in your favour. However, the biggest kicker is you apparently have to be American. No justice for the rest of us, it would seem.
Is there anything we (the defendants) have to do to get the ball rolling on Legal action? Or is that initiated by Kickstarter automatically after 5 years?
If he gave up on writing the other four + extra scenario, and just condensed it into "three books", I'd be alright with it at this point. Just so long as everything he gave us in the cliff notes was still there and none of it removed. Maybe it's fast progression now instead of medium. I'd be fine with that at this point. Other people? No clue. And I wouldn't want to speak on their behave either. Given what I've invested in comparison to others, it's enough.
@Derak: Quite true, quite true. Just why I believe he´ll drop some half-baked piece of crap around late March or April 2018 (maybe 3 books but most likely just one stating that he combined the missing three books into this one volume).
@Mirko--After this long I don't think even he'd believe releasing Book 3 would grant him a stay of execution. Nothing short of all five books, printed, would dilute the blood in the water at this point.
@William: Oh, don´t worry. McBride will probably throw some half-baked "adventure" up within the year to avoid getting his ass handed to him in court after the 5 years are up. Will it be worth the wait and all the stress and anger though? Doubtful.
@Michael No kidding. I guess I can kiss my 150 goodbye forever.
I'm so happy I paid extra to get my copies autographed.
I hadn't thought of that. Guess I'll be using the fork to shovel in more as well. Oh, and we can cook some ground beef and sprinkle that with some other toppings maybe tomatoes, chives, and a few other things. Us foreign boys will try to save some leftovers for everyone else.
Yeah....legal action is for you US boys. Be my guests. You can sue and get some money. Us sinister, obscure foreign types your courts care shit about. So for us it´s just torches and pitchforks (torches are only for melting cheese naturally and pitchforks so we can stuff chips into our mouth faster. Honestly).
Depending on the type of chips, you could still bring torches. Make them nacho chips, bring some shredded cheese to melt over them, and maybe a little salsa and sour cream for dipping. Could be fun.
I'm down with legal action too, so long as there's dip, to go with the chips. Nothing says "litigious" like French Onion.
Next year is the "5 year anniversary".
I was under the impression the five-year gift was "Legal Action"?
And here I thought next year is the time to finally bring the torches and pitchforks...........but ok, chips might be nice too
I dunno... that was a pretty good celebration, all things considered. Next year someone has to bring chips though
*sigh* And they say that hope dies last...
I know what I expected and I got exactly what I expected: nothing.
See you in 12 month for a second serving of today´s treat.
I'm not sure what I expected.
Not to get on your case, Gary, but tomorrow is the anniversary. Saying something would be greatly appreciated. Just want to put that out there.
Less than a month before the anniversary again.
@Mirko: Yeah, I'm not hyped for Starfinder either. I'm not even going to attempt to fun the Starfinder Society that's coming out. I'm content with just regular PFS, but that of course depends on the players too. But yeah, just have to wait and see. I'm prefer Pathfinder if only because my current set of notes only works for that system.
@Derek: Ok, I´ll try to post a review soon as I got a chance to play through it. Yes, well, guess it really is fair to let you do some other stuff first to get a better feeling for your work. Can´t blame the guys for that, eh?!
As for system I do hope for Pathfinder as I don´t intend to get Starfinder (not a big fan of the whole Science Fantasy stuff).
Robert I know how you feel. I put in $300. This is just lost money.
I would also like to say that anyone who read or played through the adventure, please a review for it on either Paizo or DriveThruRPG/RPGNow.
Funny enough, I backed (which got funded) the "How to Write Adventure Modules That Don't Suck" Kickstarter. I only found out about it because I follow Gary's expenditures, and it seemed like a good idea at the time to support it. You can bet I'll be reading this religiously.
@Mirko -- The other concern is Pathfinder vs Starfinder. What's more likely to bring in money, and would it be worth it to do another AP with the basic Pathfinder system or have mine take place in space? That's also fair. Personally I want Pathfinder, but we'll see.
If I gave Gary money again, I'd have a full contract done up first.
@Mirko -- Why thank you. Your comment is very much appreciated. Yes, the AP is still planning on being a thing, but various publishers I've chatted with have all stated they want to get me on other projects to see if I'm just a one-trick pony or not. And you know what? That's absolutely fair. I can't argue with them on that kind of mind set.
@Derek: Oh and btw.....very lovely work with Beasts of Bright Mountain. I´m looking forward to your own AP (if it´s still a thing, which I hope).
@Robert: And you were. Welcome to my world....
@Derek: He´d just take that money and blow it on some fun stuff for himself too. If I´d win lottery I´d instead relocate to the US and sue his sorry ass for all it´s worth just for the fun of it.
It only feels worse when you look at the fact he helped back 172 projects. He should be saving every dime to print it all and ship. It's unfortunate that someone would likely have to win the lottery and donate a large portion to him for this to be completed.
Thing that pisses me of is I did an addon for $150 for the 6 way of the wicked books. Kinda feel like I got screwed twice...
@Andrew - I guarantee you that no one expected this to turn out the way it did. At least, not at the beginning when we had managed to receive two of the books.
I'm pretty disappointed that this never shipped....This was not a KS I was expecting to regret.
To those that buy this, I thank you in advance. I hope my adventure lives up to your expectations.
Absolutely. I'm giving the DriveThru link as I get paid that way. I will warn you though that's it's Book 6 of 6, as it was an AP module. I'm promoting it as that way I can show that I can do part of a story without the original author being involved. It's literally what happened. It's very Paizo-like in that regard. Definitely not easy. Just have to make sure the ground work is there and that there's communication between the other authors and publisher. While definitely challenging, it was nice to see that I could pull it off.
It's a 6th level adventure that will take you to 7th level. I did all of the stats, but I can't draw maps for crap. The one in the book was heavily revised from my original. The book was also cut down by a chapter because I went over by a few thousand words. Not exactly something you're supposed to do. ^^; http://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/206069/Beasts-of-Bright-Mountain
Hey Derek, can you let me know the module and I'll buy a copy. I'd be really interested to see your work! You've really kept our spirits up on what has been a fairly depressing journey of late.
Gary, the module I was commissioned to complete (Book 6 of 6) for an AP came out yesterday. Email me and I'll send you a free copy. Maybe that will be enough to convince you to bring me onto the project. Maybe.
Pretty much nothing. Mike came and apologized, and let us know that he had left the company after his job was finished, and believed Gary would finish the AP.
almost 2 years since last update. Can anyone give me a cliff notes version of what has gone on since then?
That's still crazy. I'll never fully understand how the US can be one of the least taxed countries, especially when compared to Canada, yet they still somehow pay all of the taxes on every cent they earn, win, or are left after someone passes. That's just crazy to me.
It is income. However, as Gary will be self employed, business costs are tax deductible. Effectively if the income from Kickstarter is spent on the project and there are invoices/receipts to demonstrate that then you don't pay the tax on it. If however the funds are their to support you while you complete like a salary would then it is taxable. I'm guessing that the artwork costs would be business costs and therefore he's probably been able to write a good bit of tax off.