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Thanks fotr that Marcus. Guys I think it is time we start legal prosedings against SAL. Even if we do not get anything in return, at least we can try for the IP and finish this ourselves. Who in the US can take lead on this?
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Still nothing? Figures. I coulda put that 350 to better use.
Current situation? Creator is still a scumbag who has spent all the money and can't possibly deliver anything.
Do you know the current situation?
Should we start a Kickstarter Campaign of our own, I wonder. All pledges would go to hiring... "specialists"... to put the fear of God in the people responsible for this mess.
guys, look him up on LinkedIn and then contact his boss and tell him what kind of guy he hired. Maybe the boss can 'inspire' him to refund what he stole. ...or just fire him.
Tomorrow Tomorrow always tomorrow when will tomorrow beeeeeee
Now who's kidding themselves jp.
Anyone in the position in the US to just outright call the dude at his place of work? I'd love to hear what he says.
time for my monthly "sad panda" post.
OOh SAL logged in? maybe they're not as dead as their project? Come on creator, CREATE!
Hm, yes, good catch Sahey. *sigh* :(
SAL still online checking us and laughting at US still. what kind human is that hmm... no hope to get anything or even refund. they maybe enjoy our money now.
Oh. That's kinda cruel. :(
@aaron I think @Klatskin was making a joke "I just got it..." "Except I didn't actually get it and don't even really know why!"
This still sucks.
Are you saying you got your Beta? What? Your comment doesn't seem to make much sense to me.
Thanks for trying! Look forward to seeing what answer, if any, we can get.
Just Got mine today and the fit and finish are perfect. "Except that I didn't' and have heard nothing " a refund would be nice but I would settle for an acknowledgment like sorry or "I really xdft the bed on this project and not proud of it.
"If the Law does not get you Karma will"
Thanks Peter - hopefully you hear back or SAL posts an update. Fingers crossed!
I just left a note on LinkedIn for his two bosses at First Analytics. Let's see if they can ask him to update the group and give us some closure. I'm sure this is dead. But let's get the official word.
Hi sal, please please can we get an update? Been years...
You don't sadly
how to get the refund?
Dox report anybody?
I'm too busy.
Other keyboard project the creator is very honest and face the true they know they can't do it and refund all backer right always but this project creator act so awesome and never accept the true and keep bs and the end he just want all our money in anyway very sad how he act in early project. :(
@jpmiller, incompetent project management killed it. Feature creep was a symptom of that (as were delays, communication, etc.).
Truly sad part is that I'm pretty sure a couple of people offered to help with the PM work (it's really not that hard, if you know how to do it) but weren't taken up on the offer.
EITHER DELIVER THE PRODUCT OR REFUND!!!!!!!!!!!! GIVE ME THE 200 BUCKS I PAID!!!!!!!!!
Still sad about this, my first failed kickstarter.... I had such hope, but I think the feature creep killed it.
@Chris, To a creator who hasn't logged in to his account since early September of last year you are very kind. At this point, since it seems nobody else is doing it, i'm going i'm almost ready to take the out of country phone price hits and call his current place of employment and ask him straight up - WTF is going on.
If he still believes he's working on it, fine; still thinks he'll eventually somehow deliver, cool; has bailed on the project altogether, whatever; JUST TELL US.
At this point, i see really only two possibilities - He's a liar, or a embarrassed child. No other account for his actions i'm seeing accounts for his actions. SAL, feel free to show me i'm wrong and i'll gladly apologize.
Hey SAL, Any updates buddy? Looks like you're taking a lot of heat from some angry people but maybe a couple of pictures could resolve some of the animosity. You can look and see how much of my money I gave up for this project (if that's even an issue).
It's a great project and I'd love it see it come to fruition.
Thanks in advance!
It's the same idea as the comment below.
Hey SAL if you could give us an update every quarter or half a year that would be great. Nothing elaborate but something as simple as "We're still working on it" would be great.
Anybody else starting to feel like taking a roadtrip to Boston?
I hate to say it, but while I certainly recognize that SAL has a kid and family, the holday's of course disrupt stuff and so on, NOT communicating at all is just plain not acceptable. The current status makes 2016's communication seem positively chatty. *sigh* I have to admit, I've given up any hope at all. :(
Just so everyone knows, you can check their profile to see comment activity. They were last active Sept 2016, and said they're still working. Not the answers we want, but I want this thing bad enough to try and stay optimistic.
Think it is (more than) time for either
a) a concrete, public plan how to proceed to get the product done
b) disclosure how much money was spent on which steps, sharing of the remaining money between the backers
c) depending on a or b: Taking down the preorder page from the Solid Art Labs homepage. Asking for money should only happen when a concrete plan exists how to deliver the preordered items
Has anyone in the US tried to call his new place of work during the day and see if they can get through to him? I'm curious if he'd have any defense?
I think if we all just stop support kickstarter for those BS. cos kickstarter they got there money so they don't care how the project end up. I start stop support many project now cos i feel it all waste money and stuff never work or never ship
I contacted the Creator about a year abgo, i had baught a Liquid SLA 3d printer and i wanted to Beta test his shit that i already baught so i could help him, in the comment section he seem very helpfull and friendly like he acualy wanted to finish his project,
wel in email he turned different, even thou i WA SGONA BETA TEST and PRINT MY OWN PARTS he wanted to charge me the full asking price of a unit just to fukken BETA TEST, or give up my right to have access to the FUKKEN final PRODUCTION UNIT..
he wanted to charge me the beta price which he wsa also charging same price for plastic to be 3d printed for you.
He never had any intention of completing the project he was ust trying to make as much money s he could before he could scam us and bail.
I will testify under court of law that this guy is manipulative and decieving and was very dodge when he had our phone conversation that he ended rather fast once i mentioned that what he was doign was kind of scammy
I would like to get full refund.
do whatever u can
don't let shit like this go.
takes 5 minutes of ur time.
more reports, more we won't be ignored.
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I wonder if the one backer at the $20 level ever got his poster...
Threats of actual harm are not cool. At least not the physical kind, the standard legal/FTC type stuff absolutely. I didn't see your post, but I suspect that's the reason why KS would have removed your post.
Damn, damn, damn. I believed in you guys. I really did. I rooted for you up until the end. But so much time has passed, there is no excuse left. Such a shame.
So my last post was removed by Kickstarter, because I proposed to do some bad things to SAL to get back at him. SAL if you are reading this, Kickstarter censoring won't help you. We (yes we are multiple people here) have tracked you down.
do your part and report them.
yes ur money is probably long gone, but that doesn't mean to just sit back not do anything about it.
don't let people like sal ruin what kickstarter can be.
and don't expect people to take action on ur behalf, do ur part and report them at the least.
For alternative products, there's nothing really great out there. I'm currently using an Ergodox Infinity and have programmed macros for controlling the mouse with keyboard buttons. For gaming, I still use a mouse and gamepad when appropriate.
It's definitely not up to the experience that KA promised, which is why KA appealed to me so much. I knew they had the potential to offer something truly unique.
Even so, I'm not mad at SAL. I'm at peace with the fact that my money is long gone. If the KA shows up, it'll be a pleasant surprise for me at this point. I'm not waiting on any more updates from them. As far as I'm concerned, this project is dead and I'm moving on. I won't give up any more mental real estate to them.
There isn't really an alternative product, people just have dealt with it for so long, it's easy to keep using the same method. And the KeyMouse is coming along, they've made great progress over the last year - wish i backed them instead, but still not ready yet.
The main reason why there lack of interest here, is that the creator has showed a lack of interest. It's hard to put energy in something that they don't care about. I'd have gone through many hoops to help this guy out had he needed/wanted it, as it is though i have no trust in this guy at all. I won't help this guy unless he comes back with one incredible story.
Hi Simon, thanks for the constructive reply.
(1): Some time ago - when there was still some hope for this project - some people offered support, SW as well as HW.
(2): I just read something about the ergo dox, which seems to be a fine keyboard but without mouse/joystick integration. Oh! I just had a look at the KeyMouse Kickstarter page which I thought was also dead. As it seems they are near to sending out some kits. In this case you are right...
Thomas / Slimani, I think the main reason for a general lack of interest are because (1) potentially a general lack of expertise in the backers (dunno about the others, but my background is in finance) and (2) there are already other alternative products out there in the market as some people have pointed out earlier in the comments...