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That's a great assumption there Michael. Come back after you've found out how useless Kickstarer actually is dealing with this crap.
Now i'm all for believing the guy is just lazy and incompetent at dealing with a project, that's fine. Kickstarter system is no guarantee. I'm all for trying to help the guy out too, offer my services, and give him even extra funding if it turns out is necessary. HOWEVER, with all the crap and miscommunication that has been sent out, the negative opinions and request for proof before tones change is not an overreaction. The lack of constructive communication has been beyond pathetic for any creator that is actually trying to complete his project - i'm sure there are reasons, but none of them are good enough to get him back to 'fully competent' creator. All we can hope is one that will conclude the project.
Agreed, but I do believe that just a bit of transparency even if it was to say something like not being able to share any information would have, and probably still would save them a lot of the negative blow back from the posts, all people want to see is that their money wasn't thrown away. If they are scared off by their backers. Which I'm not saying they are, then they probably weren't cut out for this type of en devour. From all the solid information they had when they started I don't see that being the case, and to me Eric seems like a guy with enough work experience to have a thick enough skin to deal with the blow back.
Why are you guys being such pricks? You're trying to ruin someone's life over a few hundred dollars.
There are probably a million reasons why SAL isn't delivering the information we want. My guess is that they're failing and too embarrassed/intimidated to post or comment here because a thousand people want their heads. They've also mentioned having outside investors, these investors could have some intellectual property junk preventing SAL from sharing what little they have accomplished.
SAL has invested way too much time and effort for this just to be a simple scam. Scams are usually really simple to trick simple people, a scam artist takes on too much of a risk trying to create some elaborate scam to trick the average person.
Even if it is some elaborate scam, it's not worth my time to jump through the hoops to get my $250 back. I liked the idea of this kickstarter and I knew I was throwing money at some imaginary product. If something is delivered eventually great, but I moved on.
Folks, you do know nothing is going to happen, right?
Why did SAL decide to comment now after leaving us in the dark for so long, flat out refusing to give any real details on progress, challenges, milestones and has never once tried to offer anything like a realistic timeline? We're being strung along. My guess, some of this real-world pressure (phoning this guy up, threatening legal action) has forced his hand and now he's putting on a charade to keep the wolves from his door.
@SAL these empty words are meaningless. You were apparently ready to ship beta units 18 months ago, and now you tell us you are much further away. It just looks like lies and incompetence. If you have actually done any real work or have any intentions on ever finishing the project, why not give some detail? Why not a photo? It's because you're a lying, manipulative piece of shit.
Fellow backers, don't stop with the pressure of legal action. This guy could easily appease us but clearly cannot produce one shred of evidence that this project didn't fall apart completely 2 years ago.
It seems that SAL "updates" by commenting instead of using posting in the updates, whether this is just for those who still check up, or if that is just how they do things? no ones to say. If it is how they do things, they should really heed the advice that so many past backers have said and put that stuff in an update instead of a comment. Comments are far to easily overlooked, and backers usually opt in to get emails when new updates come out for their projects that they backed.
Seems weird to post in a comment like this. That should have been an update so more people see it. Or is it just to appease the ones who still check up on these?
Post on June 7 and then SAL on June 9. I truly hope it's coincidence.
Frankly I believe SAL popped in, in hopes that the comment would gain the backers eye and all would be forgiven. But that's kind of a load of BS. Hopefully he doesn't take us as idiots, but at the moment, that's what it feels like. It's a little ridiculous and really shouldn't be put up with. If they want to be professional than they should act like it. At the moment they give indie development for technology a bad name and have turned off a bunch of possible backers to other projects that could have succeeded much easier than these people.
Whoa! Great to hear it's still alive!
But seriously. Communicate. Even if it's "nothing more, bit of a limbo, moving right now". Even just once a month regularly. I get that you are running this on a shoestring (or less) budget. But your level of communication, frankly. SUCKS. I don't mind a "nothing happened" comment. It means you're still there, still thinking of this, just couldn't make anything happen worthy of an update. Set a calendar reminder to just drop in, post a still here comment, and move on with the rest of your day. That's the biggest thing I ask. Please!
I have some magic plates in a hat that tell me the secret to life. Of course you can't see them but trust me they are there and true. I am also King of the world and life Emperor of the known universe. Also there is now world peace and no homeless or hungry. I can say a lot of things to that I or other want to hear but if I can't show it it is still bunk. Until S.A.L. SHOWS real progress (time stamped and everything at this point) they are still not giving us shit. You have betas/beta? Show us. Whats is the hardware issue? Anything other then vague no real info crap? Even "Thumb thinger is not lining up with plam-a-magig and the clicky stick is wonky" but no NOTHING REAL. Don't let them off the hook guys.
hole lee crap.
Whelp - I guess if I was that beta, I would know by now? Will the beta user be allowed to share their experience with us?
Wow. It's alive!
It would be nice if we could get a full actual update. If you can't find the time to do it yourself, I'd be happy to hop on a video chat / phone call with you and put a full update together for you that you can then post.
Or you can just record a video and upload it. It doesn't have to be huge, or professionally recorded. Just an explanation and update of where the project is at.
If there's hardware design gruntwork or development that needs to be done. There are a good few people here that may be willing to help. For other development processes there are others here too that can lend a hand.
I would offer my services too if it'll help ensure this device doesn't go vapor again. I have quite a range of electrical engineering capability.
Seriously, get some help from the model 01 keyboardio.com people
Also I started to think that maybe you went dark because Dara acquired you. My mind was playing tricks on me.
Suck it up!
That being said, welcome back brother.
Eric, even though I live in Japan, I'm a Texan. I will find you one day; either to shake your hand or punch you in the face. Your sophomoric attitude towards this project has got to stop. I work 4 jobs . I have three kids who, like most kids get sick and whatnot. I will not listen to your belly-aching. I'm renovating a house as well; all by myself. I know it can get to be overwhelming often. Stuck it up! Move forward!
Mind = blown at this point, I gave up all together in this project and haven't trusted KS since. Hopefully something comes of this, but at the moment I won't hold my breath until I see actual progress. About time you came back SAL, glad to see things are turning around.
No, not vaporware. As a few astute backers pointed out a couple years ago, it is a very complicated project and we failed thus far to get financing from a major investor, so we've had to take the hard road of bootstrapping this thing ourselves (mostly me - Eric). The biggest problem is it's hardware, not software. Software is a bit easier because a good software engineer like myself could just throw a ton of time with a few buddies in basements/garages/Starbucks at it and make magic happen. Hardware development takes very expensive experts in several very different disciplines a bunch of time, and their work is all interrelated so timing gets very hard. ...And each product costs a lot because it's made of real things, not electronic bits over the wire. Not to mention IP / legal : P Anyway, I personally have had a lot going on with some moves and finding some missing pieces with the project and got too stressed out to keep up with the comments here, sorry. Anyway, we pulled this first iteration of beta product into the end zone and now have 2 working sets, one we'll keep for demoing / testing on the team, and the other will go to a beta customer, and now that we have all the pieces we need to finish producing betas, we'll continue to do so, even at our snail's pace. We should be able to gain some momentum and greater velocity as we get feedback and carry on.
geez. i'm with Brian, never thought i'd hear from SAL again.
Any Beta backers active? Keep us in the loop, i'd love to find out this is not just pure vaporware.
i'd be lying if i thought we'd ever hear from SAL again. I hope this is the start of something. i'll be honest, you guys have a lot to do to rebuild backer trust. I hope this is step in the right direction.
Brief update after a long period of silence. We were further away from betas than we thought and have put the necessary missing pieces in place, namely some final frame engineering, firmware, and a sustainable manufacturing / assembly process (and team). We are about to ship our first beta to our first beta customer. Working out details now and will start communications back up now that we have some things to show!
I'll see if I can find a local (Knoxville, TN) lawyer to talk to me about it. Is there anyone in NC that would be interested in finding someone local to SAL's state of residence?
I cannot but would be interested in taking part in this
Thanks fotr that Marcus. Guys I think it is time we start legal prosedings against SAL. Even if we do not get anything in return, at least we can try for the IP and finish this ourselves. Who in the US can take lead on this?
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Still nothing? Figures. I coulda put that 350 to better use.
Current situation? Creator is still a scumbag who has spent all the money and can't possibly deliver anything.
Do you know the current situation?
Should we start a Kickstarter Campaign of our own, I wonder. All pledges would go to hiring... "specialists"... to put the fear of God in the people responsible for this mess.
guys, look him up on LinkedIn and then contact his boss and tell him what kind of guy he hired. Maybe the boss can 'inspire' him to refund what he stole. ...or just fire him.
Tomorrow Tomorrow always tomorrow when will tomorrow beeeeeee
Now who's kidding themselves jp.
Anyone in the position in the US to just outright call the dude at his place of work? I'd love to hear what he says.
time for my monthly "sad panda" post.
OOh SAL logged in? maybe they're not as dead as their project? Come on creator, CREATE!
Hm, yes, good catch Sahey. *sigh* :(
SAL still online checking us and laughting at US still. what kind human is that hmm... no hope to get anything or even refund. they maybe enjoy our money now.
Oh. That's kinda cruel. :(
@aaron I think @Klatskin was making a joke "I just got it..." "Except I didn't actually get it and don't even really know why!"
This still sucks.
Are you saying you got your Beta? What? Your comment doesn't seem to make much sense to me.
Thanks for trying! Look forward to seeing what answer, if any, we can get.
Just Got mine today and the fit and finish are perfect. "Except that I didn't' and have heard nothing " a refund would be nice but I would settle for an acknowledgment like sorry or "I really xdft the bed on this project and not proud of it.
"If the Law does not get you Karma will"
Thanks Peter - hopefully you hear back or SAL posts an update. Fingers crossed!
I just left a note on LinkedIn for his two bosses at First Analytics. Let's see if they can ask him to update the group and give us some closure. I'm sure this is dead. But let's get the official word.
Hi sal, please please can we get an update? Been years...
You don't sadly
how to get the refund?
Dox report anybody?
I'm too busy.
Other keyboard project the creator is very honest and face the true they know they can't do it and refund all backer right always but this project creator act so awesome and never accept the true and keep bs and the end he just want all our money in anyway very sad how he act in early project. :(
@jpmiller, incompetent project management killed it. Feature creep was a symptom of that (as were delays, communication, etc.).
Truly sad part is that I'm pretty sure a couple of people offered to help with the PM work (it's really not that hard, if you know how to do it) but weren't taken up on the offer.