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    1. Angela M. 1 minute ago

      I'd also prefer simple wooden cubes to plastic, however luxurious

    2. Magnus
      Superbacker
      about 1 hour ago

      @ Thomas Chipman

    3. Magnus
      Superbacker
      about 1 hour ago

      @Thomas Chips
      Amen to that. I think that wooden tokens are more thematic in the first place. Why does everything need to be plastic these days?

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      Thomas Chipman about 1 hour ago

      for those of us that do not consider plastic tokens to be a "premium upgrade" will there be an option to choose the wooden tokens instead?

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      bigduff about 2 hours ago

      A stretch goal, I meant...

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      bigduff about 2 hours ago

      So glad you agreed on adding a first player marker as an add-on! Thanks Leo & the team!

    7. Mark Gilbertson about 2 hours ago

      Dear Friends, your latest update said: "We will shortly unlock the upgrade to cardboard for the player placards." Could you please describe what you mean by "cardboard placards" (your campaign page calls them "heavy duty placards"). Thanks!

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      cavan cunningham about 3 hours ago

      I was just thinking LJR’s comment. With all these upgrades maybe a bigger box should be a stretch goal.

    9. LJR about 3 hours ago

      Is everything going to fit in the boxes?

    10. Mr.Mo
      Superbacker
      about 3 hours ago

      Thanks for the update! :)

    11. Leo Borg Collaborator about 3 hours ago

      @Richard Mitchell: Thank you for you support!

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      Richard Mitchell about 3 hours ago

      Nice to see this reprinted in a new edition, on board for both games!

    13. Russonc
      Superbacker
      about 7 hours ago

      @Malte, the comment about " Be aware that they probably wont use environmentally friendly materials, production methods and transport choices :P" is kind of an odd add on.... it implies that is another reason to not back... I doubt Hate or KDM are using more environmentally friendly materials/production, etc... (It weakens your stance to me... but it's a non-issue for me as well in backing or not backing).
      Nice to see this one keeps moving along...more SGs on the horizon.

    14. Leo Borg Collaborator about 10 hours ago

      @Rob: Have had better sleep the last couple of nights. Thank you for asking. :)

    15. Leo Borg Collaborator about 10 hours ago

      @All: Good morning everyone! Let's see how fast we can reach the next stretch goal. And see what stretch goals will come after that.

    16. Jill
      Superbacker
      about 16 hours ago

      Looks like we will reach 150,000 tomorrow! Can't wait to see more stretch goals! Thanks Sierra Madre and Leo!

    17. Rob about 20 hours ago

      @Jill, +1, I pledged here for a game (or two), and that's what I'm getting (good ones too from all I've heard). I'm in!
      @Leo Borg, how you holding up? Getting enough sleep and sustenance I hope. 20 days to go. Keep up the good work. Much appreciated. :))

    18. Jill
      Superbacker
      about 20 hours ago

      Interesting discussion. Don't agree with Mr.Eklund's views, but that's life. I still love the games so I'm in!

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      Jen and Jim about 22 hours ago

      We appreciate the feedback from others but we just can't put our money into a climate change denier's pocket. Withdrawing our pledge.

    20. Leo Borg Collaborator about 23 hours ago

      @Dominic Rougier: Yes in the new edition they will have color on both sides.

    21. Leo Borg Collaborator 1 day ago

      @Francisco José López Martos: Yes all copies of the new editions will include the unlocked stretch goals.

    22. Francisco José López Martos 1 day ago

      The distribuitor pledgue have all strech goals??

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      Dominic Rougier 1 day ago

      Are the Neanderthal sexuality cards coloured on both sides?

    24. Leo Borg Collaborator 1 day ago

      @Marco: Thank you for seeing them. I will forward them to the designer and layouter.

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      Marco 1 day ago

      p. 16: no elder benefit indicated for "fire starter"...

      ... with respect to Phase 1.
      However, the benefit is indicated in the placard (but not in the text).

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      Marco 1 day ago

      Some typos and omits in the rulebook:
      - p. 5, footnote 6: "the cultural revolution. Missing inverted comma.
      - p. 16: no elder benefit indicated for "fire starter".

    27. Penguin 1 day ago

      Okay .. I won’t back out because of that :) everyone have they own option and opinion

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      Malte Ehrlen 1 day ago

      I kind of messed up the formatting on my comment below, I hope it is readable even though the numbering doesn't make sense.

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      Malte Ehrlen 1 day ago

      @Fabian I understand what you are going for, and I agree with your sentiment. However he is actually spreading misinformation.

      1. The Angila e-mail conspiracy ("climate-gate") has been thoroughly debunked by eight different committees.

      2. In his review of Vital Lacerdas game CO2, he makes a number of wrongful claims, again spreading misinformation.

      3. In the same review he claims that burning wood and biofuel releases greenhouse gasses. In a coment thread on bgg he doubles down on this opinion, demonstrating that a basic concept such as plant absorbtion eludes him.

      Furhtermore he claims that during most of history, we have had concentrations of above 1000 ppm CO2 in the atmosphere. Again drastically wrong.

      He claims that recycling expands "large amounts of energy".

      He is not being contrarian to start a discussion. If he was that is something I would respect, and I often do the same in friendly debate.

      Mr Eklund is spreading misinformation. On boardgamegeek you can find his comments, if you search for his name + "CO2".

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      Brenoit 1 day ago

      Alright.

      I read the essay. I did not adhere to his last chapters as they appear to me way less accurate than the rest of his otherwise interesting to read hypothesis - although controversial. But then, they are his opinions...

      Now, I feel he is trying to elaborate on certain hypothesis in order to develop one game. I see his games as big "What Ifs" probably played by people smart enough to take his assumptions with a grain of salt and do their own research. Or completely ignore them and enjoy the game as a work of fiction. I am not convinced that he tries to influence the masses here (now, this would be a concern to me, whatever the argument).

      I have searched the internet about the terms of Phil Eklund and climate change, and I stumbled upon people who repeatedly hammer the man about the controversial nature of his work. I do not understand what they get in doing so.

      Now, inducing that he probably will not be using environmental friendly means to produce his games is just an opinion. And the statement goes against your own concerns of his non-scientific argumentation. Also I am still to see a real trend of projects in gaming production that state their concern about environment. And I would love to see that. Why hit this project specifically?

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      Fabian 1 day ago

      *require you to agree

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      Fabian 1 day ago

      Yes, Phil Eklund holds views often regarded as problematic. That said, this is kind of like buying something from a Republican American. There's a difference between disagreeing with someone and boycotting them.

      I heavily disagree with Phil on pretty much everything, but I still love his games. I don't consider this spreading misinformation, but rather spreading discussion of controversial issues.

      His games also often don't support his strange hypothesis. For example, despite the heavy objectivist libertarian slant in the Pax Renaissance rulebook footnotes, the game casts the players as bankers who pretty much turn out to be the villains of the game, responsible for everything bad that ever happened in Renaissance Europe. The games themselves don't require you with the stances.

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      Jen and Jim 1 day ago

      We are concerned about comments he makes in a BGG thread on CO2. His views are concerning.

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      Malte Ehrlen 1 day ago

      @Penguin, I refer you to Mr. Eklunds self-published essay "The Carbon Cycle", found in the end of the Bios: Megafauna rulebook. It is available from Sierra Madre Games website.

    35. Penguin 1 day ago

      Hmmm? How you found out ? Maybe some link ?

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      Malte Ehrlen 1 day ago

      Sad to withdraw my pledge but I just found out that the creator is a climate change denier and uses the rulebooks of his other games to spread misinformation. I originally backed because the scientific approach to the theme was exciting to me. Really strange for the creator to be an anti-science conspiracy nut (no other word to describe someone who uses the "climate-gate"-emails as an argument against climate change). All the research that he has built his games on was funded by either public or private interests, and in the Bios Megafauna rulebook he criticizes both as unobjective. I mean, it is true that all works, scientific and other, are biased by their creator but it is a non-statement, since it applies to Mr. Eklund as well. Good luck with the rest of the campaign. Be aware that they probably wont use environmentally friendly materials, production methods and transport choices :P

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      Luke Paruman 1 day ago

      South African backer here! I was driving through the Cradle of Humankind a few weeks ago and then since reading this KS I just could not stop thinking about it. When I get my copies of the games I'm going to go and play a few rounds there just because I can.

    38. Jill
      Superbacker
      1 day ago

      Hi Leo!

      Will there be an updated main graphic showcasing all the unlocked stretchgoals? :) I'd love to post it on social media to advertise the game. Having a main graphic that shows how everything has been upgraded would be awesome.

      Thanks!

    39. Leo Borg Collaborator 1 day ago

      @All: Good morning to a new day!

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      Andrew Denison 2 days ago

      @Leo Borg A Sierra Madre game that can fit sleeve cards in the box! I don't know how to handle this? Mind is blown and confused! Just kidding really that is good news because I haven't ever been able to do that yet lol.

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      jogimaster
      Superbacker
      2 days ago

      Miha Ha: already included in first edition of Neanderthal

    42. Pedro Lima 2 days ago

      Backing from Brasilia, capital of Brazil. My first kickstarter also. Enjoying summer here, just as Rob in Australia.

      I am with @Clint Walker about the few "vocal backers". People are asking too much stuff. You can't fulfill every demand. Just relax and enjoy the games. Do not face it as only "products". Just my opinion.

    43. Rob 2 days ago

      Backing from Australia here, home of the oldest unbroken ground-edge stone axes in the world (by at least 10,000 years). Also probably warmer than @Brenoit (even though it's 9:22pm). ;))

      @Karthi may possibly be warmer, I'm not sure.
      Hey Karthi, welcome aboard. Great choice for first kickstarter! :))

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      Karthi Vignes S E 2 days ago

      Backing from India, this is the first Kickstarter project I'm backing. Great stuff!!

    45. Leo Borg Collaborator 2 days ago

      @kurojishi: In the FAQ here on the campaign page we have put up a couple of the most common questions. One of them are for the game box size:
      "What size does the game box have?

      The size of the box of both games is 127x127x52 mm. The cards will fit in the box even when sleeved. If needed, (due to unlocked stretch goals), the box size will be increase in the final production"

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      kurojishi 2 days ago

      I don't know if it was ever proposed, but as someone who sleeves cards (and i've this problem with the Pax games and other from Sierrra, is it possible to have a box that fits the cards even with sleeves on?

    47. Leo Borg Collaborator 2 days ago

      @Bernardo Miguel Nuñez moraleda: We won't be having any kickstarter exclusive stuff, all unlocked stretch goals will be in the retail versions of the new editions. We are grateful for all your support but don't want to make different versions of the new editions or have game components that aren't available to all who buy the game.

      We hope that the price point for the games as well as your willingness to help us make these editions the best we can as well as getting them out there for more people to try out and play them is enough for you to support this project. Thank you.

    48. Miha Ha 2 days ago

      From Slovenia here, the country with possibly the oldes bone flute found
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divje_Babe_Flute

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      Brenoit 2 days ago

      Backing from France here ! Same time as you (although most probably warmer).

    50. Leo Borg Collaborator 2 days ago

      @All: Thank you for your support and all ideas and suggestions. We have read all of them and will see what we can do, what is plausible and what we think will work. Thank you!

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