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A  science fiction role-playing game set in the 28th Century, using a modified version of the OpenQuest D100 system .
A science fiction role-playing game set in the 28th Century, using a modified version of the OpenQuest D100 system .
217 backers pledged £4,118 to help bring this project to life.
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      Juhan Voolaid on

      No problems. I understand how this can work, but if I can comment, I comment :)
      When ever I crtiticise something I just try to give my persective on things to provide help. What ever decision will be made, I respect it and vote with pledging. Currently you have my vote ;)

    2. John M. Kahane on

      Hullo, Newt,
      From my previous posts, you know I like the cover overall. I think that you can't please everyone with a cover piece of art no matter what you do, so I'm fine with what you've got here - and always have been. The art is somewhat abstract (is that the word?) in some ways, but I can sort of see eddies and stuff that remind me of a river, so that works, right? :) (I assume that's what it's partially meant to be.)

      Heck, I'd love to get the full piece in a print form to put on my wall! :)

    3. Newt Newport 6-time creator on

      Hi Juhan/John

      I'm sorry that you don't like the cover, or aspects of the cover.

      Both myself and John Ossoway (the game's author) happen to like it and are rather fond of it.

      I'd also like to point out that none of the Pledge Levels give you any creative input on the either the Cover or internal art. There simply isn't time to open up development (re-development in the case of the cover) and run Art-Direction by community.

      If you are not happy with the quality of the art that you see in the previews, and just to make it clear this will be the artists/art that I use for the final book, then I suggest that you Cancel your Pledge, because it seems silly to fund a book whose art you dislike so much.

      Regards

      ;O) Newt

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      Juhan Voolaid on

      Yeah, with characters, it would be better to have a specific scene or story on the picture. But I am really not a fan of in-your-face action scene. I like more subtle stuff that keep you guessing. Just a shot of realistic looking space would do magic with my imagination. I am not a kid and I don't need a children's book cover.

    5. John M. Kahane on

      Hullo, Juhan,
      Just want to say here that the only real problem I have with the RIVER OF HEAVEN cover art is that the two characters on the cover have no context. If they were on a planet or on a ship or something, I could see them as they are posed. But they're in space, and that's just wrong.

      JohnK

    6. John M. Kahane on

      Hullo, Juhan,
      In all honesty, I wasn't even sure that the second figure was actually female. Like you said, in a combat suit the only way to tell the character is female is to have other means of distinguishing this fact.

      The _Revelation Space_ cover art is very nice, but is much more professionally done (book publishers have better budgets for paying cover artists!). That said, I haven't seen anyone else complain about the cover art here in the forums, and I guess we'll have to wait to see if Newt chimes in on this.

      Like you said, we each have opinions on this. :)
      JohnK

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      Juhan Voolaid on

      @John
      More female? I disagree. In combat suit, how would one appear more female? Full makeup, hair stuck in machine gun and good god - not a bikini chainmail?

      All in all, as much there are people, there are opinnions. I would like more minimalistic, serious, realistic cover art like the "Revelation Space" book covers:
      http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-PbXBFf5H3G0/UPhB1aq1xEI/AAAAAAAABuc/BAXB858w8xo/s1600/89187.jpg
      http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_8UB4YnV6w_g/StZD5ni1DII/AAAAAAAAANs/FI-Yri6e-vY/s1600-h/diamond_dogs.jpg

    8. John M. Kahane on

      I like the updated look of the piece of art. It is tighter, somewhat more focussed.

      Hullo, Newt,
      If I wanted to see any real change here, it would be to make the figure in blue more female (assuming that one is female).

      Though I still don't get the River of Heaven elements of the cover, if any. :)

      JohnK